Four Bangladesh bloggers charged with defaming Islam.

[Nexus]

why are u blame india guys source is not Indian.

 

[scorpionx]

Well everybody is not Hitchens....it is really easy to cross the line for anyone....besides the line is different for different people!

I agree.It is next to impossible to police every internet traffic.But forums,particularly religious ones should be subjected to stringent laws and exemplary punishment should be delivered to curb this kind of evil tendencies to the minimum.

 

[mankov]

Do you live in India?? if so can you post few abuses which hindus used for their gods?..





internet is a funny thing anyone can pose anything and post anything using fake names.

anyway a Muslim who abuse his Prophet (PBUH) and Allah, is surely NOT a Muslim. simple as that.

We Muslims believe in all Abrahamic Prophets and don't abuse any.

There are some pretty good jokes on a vedic god Indra and his horniness. And here's one on krishna:

A nun in Warsaw, Poland, filed a case against ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness). The case came up in court.

The nun remarked that ISKCON was spreading its activities and gaining followers in Poland. She wanted ISKCON banned because its followers
were glorifying a character called Krishna “who had loose morals,” having married 16,000 women called Gopikas.


The ISKCON defendant to the Judge: “Please ask the nun to repeat the oath she took when she was ordained as a nun.”
The Judge asked the nun to recite the oath loudly. She would not.


The ISKCON man asked whether he could read out the oath for the nun. Go ahead, said the judge.


The oath said in effect that 'she (the nun) is married to Jesus Christ'. The ISKCON man said, "Your Lordship! Lord Krishna is alleged to have 'married' 16,000 women. There are more than a million nuns who assert that they are married to Jesus Christ. Between the two, Krishna
and the nuns, who has a loose character?”

The case was dismissed

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internet is a funny thing anyone can pose anything and post anything using fake names.

anyway a Muslim who abuse his Prophet (PBUH) and Allah, is surely NOT a Muslim. simple as that.

We Muslims believe in all Abrahamic Prophets and don't abuse any.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...s-charged-defaming-islam-2.html#ixzz2eZeNuM1M

Partly I agree.But is it not better to debate the basis on which they are making such silly statements ,first ,instead of passing some fatwas. Maybe they will see the light and repent. But these(fatwa) methods will only make them feel like they are right and fellow muslims are backwards and controlfreaks .Islam is about being a good human being , not being an automaton to kill and plunder.Its that killing kafirs reputation that has led to some very strong hate for Islam in West,Russia and now in India. If we don't change our ways there will be a day when we will be hunted down and killed without mercy. We have to change our ways as our own brothers and sisters are becoming apostates and the only way to show them light is by debates to convince them that their stance is wrong.

 

[Spring Onion]

why are u blame india guys source is not Indian.

We are not blaming India neither the source , we are only pointing out how your Indian member is twisting facts by posting half line of the judge's remarks.

 

[mankov]

We are not blaming India neither the source , we are only pointing out how your Indian member is twisting facts by posting half line of the judge's remarks.

Sister,if we continue on this path of intolerance , then there will be a day that non-islamic nations that give us aid and shelter will throw us or worse use genocidal methods to deal with us.We already are seeing BNP ,EDL get popular in UK because of the actions of Salafis . Believe me ,sister ,Tolerance is lacking among us.

 

[Indianpatriot1]

Religious ideologies should be challenged. Each and every verse should be a subject of query and counter assessment. This should not be seen as a bare criticism rather a method establishing the faith on a much more concrete platform. At the same time,the logical debate between atheism and theism should not cross the line of vulgarity and insolence.

I wonder how you can do that. Religion is not amenable to empirical scientific method - it is beyond science. The fundamental premise of religion: that God exists - is itself unprovable. If so, what then is the point of dissecting scriptures on the basis of logic or empiricism.

 

[Nexus]

We are not blaming India neither the source , we are only pointing out how your Indian member is twisting facts by posting half line of the judge's remarks.

we are not twisting facts.

 

[Spring Onion]

There are some pretty good jokes on a vedic god Indra and his horniness. And here's one on krishna:

A nun in Warsaw, Poland, filed a case against ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness). The case came up in court.

The nun remarked that ISKCON was spreading its activities and gaining followers in Poland. She wanted ISKCON banned because its followers
were glorifying a character called Krishna “who had loose morals,” having married 16,000 women called Gopikas.


The ISKCON defendant to the Judge: “Please ask the nun to repeat the oath she took when she was ordained as a nun.”
The Judge asked the nun to recite the oath loudly. She would not.


The ISKCON man asked whether he could read out the oath for the nun. Go ahead, said the judge.


The oath said in effect that 'she (the nun) is married to Jesus Christ'. The ISKCON man said, "Your Lordship! Lord Krishna is alleged to have 'married' 16,000 women. There are more than a million nuns who assert that they are married to Jesus Christ. Between the two, Krishna
and the nuns, who has a loose character?”

The case was dismissed

dint know WARSA was in INDIA and the nun and her was a Hindu

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Partly I agree.But is it not better to debate the basis on which they are making such silly statements ,first ,instead of passing some fatwas. Maybe they will see the light and repent. But these methods will only make them feel like they are right and fellow muslims are backwards and controlfreaks .Islam is about being a good human being , not being an automaton to kill and plunder.Its that killing kafirs reputation that has led to some very strong hate for Islam in West,Russia and now in India. If we don't change our ways there will be a day when we will be hunted down and killed without mercy. We have to change our ways as our own brothers and sisters are becoming apostates and the only way to show them light is by debates to convince them that their stance is wrong.

Nobody is stopping then from civilized debate about our faith.

The only subject to discuss here is of insulting our faith.

When atheists or anyone does not believe in any religion then why they even have the right to abuse others' faith.

 

[mankov]

I wonder how you can do that. Religion is not amenable to empirical scientific method - it is beyond science. The fundamental premise of religion: that God exists - is itself unprovable. If so, what then is the point of dissecting scriptures on the basis of logic or empiricism.

Actually,torsion physics which is responsible for creation of soviet superweaponry like Psychotronics confirms the existence of an hyperdimensional consciousness in the universe.

 

[Spring Onion]

Sister,if we continue on this path of intolerance , then there will be a day that non-islamic nations that give us aid and shelter will throw us or worse use genocidal methods to deal with us.We already are seeing BNP ,EDL get popular in UK because of the actions of Salafis . Believe me ,sister ,Tolerance is lacking among us.

you mean you should have all the rights to abuse anyone?

why so? there is nothing of intolerance. In the real world when there is this defamation law then howcome you can get away with defamation of the highly respected Prophet of the second largest religion in the world?

You don't believe in our faith its fine ok your right but you cant just abuse my faith. that's all

 

[Anubis]

I wonder how you can do that. Religion is not amenable to empirical scientific method - it is beyond science. The fundamental premise of religion: that God exists - is itself unprovable. If so, what then is the point of dissecting scriptures on the basis of logic or empiricism.

It is not the existence of god that is to be debated.The subject that is to be debated is whether the stuff the all-knowing god says is right or not.Scripture is from god/inspired by god/word of god.....so everything that god says should be logical and provable....if scripture is dissected and it is seen that the scripture is full of nonfacts rather than facts then we should assume that either a)all knowing god does not exist or b)that specific scripture is not from god...an thus the religion that particular theist believes is wrong and he should no longer believe in it!

 

[mankov]

dint know WARSA was in INDIA and the nun and her was a Hindu

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Nobody is stopping then from civilized debate about our faith.

The only subject to discuss here is of insulting our faith.

When atheists or anyone does not believe in any religion then why they even have the right to abuse others' faith.

Sister, don't muslims keep abuses here on hindus on PDF??? Then how can you expect atheists not to do so? See ,everyone in the world has a cocoon of ignorance and when that cocoon is broken you come out of ignorance. We must attack the ignorance ,not pass fatwas to jail and kill. Already ,there is neo-nazism simmering in the western nations and once their economies collapse you will see it get fullblown open and then those neo-nazis are going to showcase our intolerance to others and use it as an excuse to mass murder muslims on a global scale.Prophet Muhammad(saw) has warned us that ummah's lifespan will be 1500 years. Do you want that prophecy to come to pass? Our intolerance will bring it to pass.

 

[scorpionx]

I wonder how you can do that. Religion is not amenable to empirical scientific method - it is beyond science. The fundamental premise of religion: that God exists - is itself unprovable. If so, what then is the point of dissecting scriptures on the basis of logic or empiricism.

Well, major Hindu reformists of twentieth Century at time of reformation of Hinduism with the help of Vedanta,were uni vocal in declaring the necessity of harmonizing science with religion. Swami Vivekananda himself announced (not the verbatim),if science could not conform with the teachings of Vedanta,he is ready to throw it away. As per his opinion, religion needs dissection tools same as we do in scientific laboratories otherwise religion will be left behind with useless practice and rituals among fools in the form of an weed.

And "How we do that?" could be answered in the right forum,not here.

 

[mankov]

It is not the existence of god that is to be debated.The subject that is to be debated is whether the stuff the all-knowing god says is right or not.Scripture is from god/inspired by god/word of god.....so everything that god says should be logical and provable....if scripture is dissected and it is seen that the scripture is full of nonfacts rather than facts then we should assume that either a)all knowing god does not exist or b)that specific scripture is not from god...an thus the religion that particular theist believes is wrong and he should no longer believe in it!

Thats why I think Islam needs control of sufis rather than the mullahs.The intolerance mullahs are exhibiting are taking us for destruction .

 

[Indianpatriot1]

It is not the existence of god that is to be debated.The subject that is to be debated is whether the stuff the all-knowing god says is right or not.Scripture is from god/inspired by god/word of god.....so everything that god says should be logical and provable....if scripture is dissected and it is seen that the scripture is full of nonfacts rather than facts then we should assume that either a)all knowing god does not exist or b)that specific scripture is not from god...an thus the religion that particular theist believes is wrong and he should no longer believe in it!

You are making a mistake. I have already pointed out that religion cannot be examined by empirical methods which are applicable only to natural phenomena. How do you examine the validity of scriptures through the scientific method?? Say the existence of heaven or hell? Empirically one cannot detect their presence. So do we reach a conclusion that heaven / hell, and by implication- God does not exist. Religion is supposed to provide suggestions towards those great metaphysical questions which are beyond science and logic.