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Topgun, with all due respect, you don't know that their mothers and fathers weren't married.

Secondly, are there any reports that any of these "guys" have ever fired a weapon in Peshawar?
The problem is, it should have been investigated. Rather they were let go on the basis of a phone call.

Many policemen have arrested and then released armed Americans. They say, this mysterious call comes directly from Rehman Malik.
 
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Topgun, with all due respect, you don't know that their mothers and fathers weren't married.

Secondly, are there any reports that any of these "guys" have ever fired a weapon in Peshawar?

Well true :lol: but again how would you like it if there were men roaming around your neck of the woods perhaps on your street / area etc with guns ?that you didn't know strangers so to speak and talk about highly trained men.. wouldn't like it much huh ? neather would i ....same applies in Pakistan or elsewhere much different story in other country speically countires in southeast asia and the middle east perhaps the world for the sake of arrgument it's not about firing wepons in all due respect i think drone attacks are enough doing enough damge to terriost and to the poor you wouldn't want the Pakistani public getting the wrong immpresion the scene is already bad enough & not a good sight. 1. It's about wat is there business being there? 2. Why and who is allowing them to carry these wepons? 3. For wat reason are they armed and roaming around anothers country that is not at war with the US. 4. Is this how the US acts towards its allies speically the ones that are at war with terriost? I think Pak forces are more then capable to handle things in the own country weather its to fight these bastard terriost or to protect US interest .. if US keeps this up there will be more haterd from the Pakistani people & hence, this is a prime example by the US all over the world where it's been you won't win hearts this way only anger & then one wonders why the US is hated all over they world specially in that neck of the woods ! i'll wait your reply on this! :mod:
 
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American "Mercenaries" are protecting American Diplomats mostly or some European Diplomats hired by them. And thats why the attacks on foreigners have mostly been concentrated on Chinese and Iranians. :sniper: :usflag:

And how do you know that there aren't any foreign diplomats in Peshawar?

And how do you know that these Americans travel alone? Do they forward you a memo as who they will be transporting? ;)

Loooooooooooooooolz.....So your argument has boiled down to the fact that Americans drive dangerously since you have ZERO allegations of any incidents liking them.

Buddy, driving in Pakistan is dangerous. And to evade any potential attackers they have to drive that way. Its basic security protocols.

Most likely an intelligence hub to launch drone attacks which have been devastatingly effective.

That is because the TTP declared open war on Pakistan and started to move deeper into Pakistani heartland. Did you hear of massive bombings in Pakistani cities on a daily occurance in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006?

No. The **** hit the ceiling after the Lal Masjid fiasco and then they launched the all out attack and thus the need for protection of diplomats who are pumping money into building schools, combating drugs and child soldiers, etc.....

Sorry for saying this, but if you have no idea about Pakistan and whats happening & why it is happening in Peshawar or Pakistan, plz don't poke your nose then. I live in Peshawar, i see these americans passing daily infront of my home, i see them going in & living in fortified houses in certain part of the city, I have sources in certain LEA and Peshawar has no diplomats, only 3 countries have their consulates. No Chinese diplomat has been killed in Pakistan, those were Chinese engineers/experts working on different critical projects and the ai to kill/attack them was to derail those projects, and the Iranian thing is sectarian, most of the officials killed were Pakistanis working at Iranian consulate who got killed due to the sectarian conflict. I live in Peshawar, so i know who is here and who is not.

And that is no american base for drone strikes, rest assured.

And the driving thing mentioning needed some common sense to understand, it shows the recklessness of these Americans with no regard to human life while they are on the roads of a country in which they are. If such attitude had been shown by some Pakistani in USA, he would have been in prison by now for violating the law of the land.

So crux is that by sitting somewhere safe you can't know the real picture happening inside Pakistan.

And yeah the newspapers and media has highlighted the issue, the recent admittance of Dyna Corp working in Pakistan by Interior Minister is further proof, lets wait for sometime he will divulge more as pressure mounts on him, he wasn't first even admitting it initially but as proof mounted to his arrogance, he had to admit one company, hopefully will do admit others too.
 
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Well true :lol: but again how would you like it if there were men roaming around your neck of the woods perhaps on your street / area etc with guns ?

I wouldn't like the scenario that you have presented to occur in my neighborhood. But if it did, I would be all over my County Supervisor, my congressman and my two Senators demanding an explanation! If that were not forthcoming and satisfactory, I would be taking pictures of these people and sending them to the Washington Post, CNN the New York Times, and, yes, even FOX News, asking that they get to the bottom of it. I have every confidence that it would be a HUGE scandal here in my Virginia community and that it would STOP, quickly. What I don't understand about such reports as these in Pakistan is why Pakistani society seems so powerless to either get a proper explanation or to stop the activity. If the GoP powers-that-be have agreed to these activities, AT LEAST they could be made to explain themselves, IF the Pakistani media had any guts! :agree:
 
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Sorry for saying this, but if you have no idea about Pakistan and whats happening & why it is happening in Peshawar or Pakistan, plz don't poke your nose then.

I will poke my nose cause I am Pakistani and I don't rely on Zaid Hamid for my news.

I live in Peshawar, i see these americans passing daily infront of my home, i see them going in & living in fortified houses in certain part of the city, I have sources in certain LEA and Peshawar has no diplomats, only 3 countries have their consulates.

Sorry but I don't believe you or your sources.

No Chinese diplomat has been killed in Pakistan, those were Chinese engineers/experts working on different critical projects and the ai to kill/attack them was to derail those projects, and the Iranian thing is sectarian, most of the officials killed were Pakistanis working at Iranian consulate who got killed due to the sectarian conflict. I live in Peshawar, so i know who is here and who is not.

So was blackwater behind the bombings in Peshawar? :rofl:

And that is no american base for drone strikes, rest assured.

How do you know? Have you heard of Shamsi Air Base?

And the driving thing mentioning needed some common sense to understand, it shows the recklessness of these Americans with no regard to human life while they are on the roads of a country in which they are. If such attitude had been shown by some Pakistani in USA, he would have been in prison by now for violating the law of the land.

And how many Pakistanis have been killed or injured by Americans driving recklessly?

Sorry but if you think Americans driving dangerously is the most dire threat to Pakistan...then you need to have your head examined.

So crux is that by sitting somewhere safe you can't know the real picture happening inside Pakistan.

Sorry but I can. I have enough relatives in the Army, ISI to convey me a full picture of ground realities. The common tactic used by people like you to deflect any criticism of Pakistan is that you don't live here and thus are in no position to state otherwise.

And yeah the newspapers and media has highlighted the issue, the recent admittance of Dyna Corp working in Pakistan by Interior Minister is further proof, lets wait for sometime he will divulge more as pressure mounts on him, he wasn't first even admitting it initially but as proof mounted to his arrogance, he had to admit one company, hopefully will do admit others too.

DynaCorp, Xe are there to guard diplomats.

Since not a single Pakistani has been killed or injured by these guys...this is more of Pakistani fantasies on blaming everyone from Santa Claus to the Boogey Man for their problems but themselves.

Here Read this Column by ahmed Rasid....


BBC News - Ahmed Rashid: Pakistan conspiracy theories stifle debate
Ahmed Rashid: Pakistan conspiracy theories stifle debate

Protests against US in Pakistan
Many Pakistanis blame others for the country's problems

Guest columnist Ahmed Rashid reports on how the real problems facing Pakistan are being sidelined by a surge of conspiracy theories.

Switch on any of the dozens of satellite news channels now available in Pakistan.

You will be bombarded with talk show hosts who are mostly obsessed with demonising the elected government, trying to convince viewers of global conspiracies against Pakistan led by India and the United States or insisting that the recent campaign of suicide bomb blasts around the country is being orchestrated by foreigners rather than local militants.

Viewers may well ask where is the passionate debate about the real issues that people face - the crumbling economy, joblessness, the rising cost of living, crime and the lack of investment in health and education or settling the long-running insurgency in Balochistan province.



The principal obsession is when and how President Asif Ali Zardari will be replaced or sacked

Send your views on this column

The answer is nowhere.

One notable channel which also owns newspapers has taken it upon itself to topple the elected government.

Another insists that it will never air anything that is sympathetic to India, while all of them bring on pundits - often retired hardline diplomats, bureaucrats or retired Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officers who sport Taliban-style beards and give viewers loud, angry crash courses in anti-Westernism and anti-Indianism, thereby reinforcing views already held by many.

Collapse of confidence

Pakistan is going through a multi-dimensional series of crises and a collapse of public confidence in the state.

Suicide bombers strike almost daily and the economic meltdown just seems to get worse.

But this is rarely apparent in the media, bar a handful of liberal commentators who try and give a more balanced and intellectual understanding by pulling all the problems together.

A poor neighbourhood in Pakistan
The media debate 'misses real Pakistani life'

The explosion in TV channels in Urdu, English and regional languages has brought to the fore large numbers of largely untrained, semi-educated and unworldly TV talk show hosts and journalists who deem it necessary to win viewership at a time of an acute advertising crunch, by being more outrageous and sensational than the next channel.

On any given issue the public barely learns anything new nor is it presented with all sides of the argument.

Every talk show host seems to have his own agenda and his guests reflect that agenda rather than offer alternative policies.

Recently, one senior retired army officer claimed that Hakimullah Mehsud - the leader of the Pakistani Taliban which is fighting the army in South Waziristan and has killed hundreds in daily suicide bombings in the past five weeks - had been whisked to safety in a US helicopter to the American-run Bagram airbase in Afghanistan.

In other words the Pakistani Taliban are American stooges, even as the same pundits admit that US-fired drone missiles are targeting the Pakistani Taliban in Waziristan.

These are just the kind of blatantly contradictory and nut-case conspiracy theories that get enormous traction on TV channels and in the media - especially when voiced by such senior former officials.

The explosion in civil society and pro-democracy movements that brought the former military regime of President Pervez Musharraf to its knees over two years has become divided, dissipated and confused about its aims and intentions.

A Pakistani soldier in South Wazirstan
Troops and militants are fighting in South Waziristan

Even when such activists do appear on TV, their voices are drowned out by the conspiracy theorists who insist that every one of Pakistan's ills are there because of interference by the US, India, Israel and Afghanistan.

The army has not helped by constantly insisting that the vicious Pakistani Taliban campaign to topple the state and install an Islamic emirate is not a local campaign waged by dozens of extremist groups, some of whom were trained by the military in the 1990s, but the result of foreign conspiracies.

Economic crisis

Such statements by the military hardly do justice to the hundreds of young soldiers who are laying down their lives to fight the Taliban extremists.

Nor has the elected government of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) tried to alter the balance, as it is mired in ineffective governance and widespread corruption while failing to tackle the economic recession, that is admittedly partly beyond its control.

Moreover the PPP has no talking pundits, sympathetic talk show hosts or a half decent media management campaign to refute the lies and innuendo that much of the media is now spewing out.

At present, the principal obsession is when and how President Asif Ali Zardari will be replaced or sacked, although there is no apparent constitutional course available to get rid of him except for a military coup, which is unlikely.

The campaign waged by some politicians and parts of the media - with underlying pressure from the army - is all about trying to build public opinion to make Mr Zardari's tenure untenable.

Victim of a suicide attack in Pakistan
Pakistan is caught in a spiral of violence

Nobody discusses the failure of the education system that is now turning out hundreds of suicide bombers, rather than doctors and engineers.

Or the collapsing and corrupt national health system that forces the poorest to seek expensive private medical treatment, or the explosion in crime or suicides by failed farmers and workers who have lost their jobs.

Pakistan cannot tackle its real problems unless the country's leaders - military and civilian - first admit that much of the present crisis is a result of long-standing mistakes, the lack of democracy, the failure to strengthen civic institutions and the lack of investment in public services like education, even as there continues to be a massive investment in nuclear weapons and the military.

Pakistan's crisis must first be acknowledged by officialdom and the media before solutions can be found.

The alternative is a continuation of the present paralysis where people are left confused, demoralised and angry.

Ahmed Rashid is the author of the best-selling book Taliban and, most recently, of Descent into Chaos: How the war against Islamic extremism is being lost in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.
 
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I will poke my nose cause I am Pakistani and I don't rely on Zaid Hamid for my news.

Sorry but I don't believe you or your sources.

So was blackwater behind the bombings in Peshawar? :rofl:

How do you know? Have you heard of Shamsi Air Base?

And how many Pakistanis have been killed or injured by Americans driving recklessly?

Sorry but if you think Americans driving dangerously is the most dire threat to Pakistan...then you need to have your head examined.

Sorry but I can. I have enough relatives in the Army, ISI to convey me a full picture of ground realities. The common tactic used by people like you to deflect any criticism of Pakistan is that you don't live here and thus are in no position to state otherwise.

DynaCorp, Xe are there to guard diplomats.

Since not a single Pakistani has been killed or injured by these guys...this is more of Pakistani fantasies on blaming everyone from Santa Claus to the Boogey Man for their problems but themselves.

I believe the excitement has gotten to u, from where the hell does Zaid Hamid comes into this discussion ?? Just produce one single post of mine which says i am a Zaid Hamid follower or i quoted him anywhere, u won't be seeing me post on this forum again.

Well if you don't like to believe me or my sources, no body is forcing you, but i have to believe my source who happens to be my very very very dear one, direct blood relation who happens to be in the intelligence business at a very good senior level position. Plus have couple of friend working in one of the consulates, can't name it anyway.

As said before the excitement has gotten u, plzz provide one post in my 1500+ posts where i blame Blackwater for bomb blasts ?? Why trying to derail the thread ?

Yeah i can clearly see how much updated u r by your sources, ur naive views & accusing me of what i have not said are a perfect example. And where am i deflecting criticism on Pakistan ? I am deflecting your irrelevant views which are expressed by people who sit outside the show without seeing it and then comment on its performance.

Sorry, the diplomats sit in their consulate like frightened rats and seldom come out, whenever one of them does, the security is provided by Police.

Not only Shamsi, i know much more then that. By the way seen one too.

Well i don't know what u r taking from the driving thing, but i believe u r not getting the context of this whole discussion being done. Nor a i saying they killed anyone, if they did they will get the same treatment as the ones who got in fallujah or may be worse.

This thread & discussion is abt something else, not conspiracies or blame game of by whom, don't understand why u bring in Ahmed Rashid or ur blame game rant.

In the end better u get a mental check up as it looks out of order, waisay bhi u guys have much better psychologists, psychiatrists, neurosurgeons etc etc etc.
 
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I believe the excitement has gotten to u, from where the hell does Zaid Hamid comes into this discussion ?? Just produce one single post of mine which says i am a Zaid Hamid follower or i quoted him anywhere, u won't be seeing me post on this forum again.

You sound like a Zaid Hamid type conspirator and whats why I said it.

Well if you don't like to believe me or my sources, no body is forcing you, but i have to believe my source who happens to be my very very very dear one, direct blood relation who happens to be in the intelligence business at a very good senior level position. Plus have couple of working in one of the consulates, can't name it anyway.

Not good enough. anybody can say that they got relatives in high places and are feeding them information.

As said before the excitement has gotten u, plzz provide one post in my 1500+ posts where i blame Blackwater for bomb blasts ?? Why trying to derail the thread ?

Not de-rail but trying to get to the bottom of your conspiracy nonsense

Yeah i can clearly see how much updated u r by your sources, ur naive views & accusing me of what i have not said are a perfect example. And where am i deflecting criticism on Pakistan ? I am deflecting your irrelevant views which are expressed by people who sit outside the show without seeing it and then comment on its performance.

I am sure.

Sorry, the diplomats sit in their consulate like frightened rats and seldom come out, whenever one of them does, the security is provided by Police.

Only a person like you will cheer such a pathetic state of security in Pakistan.

Not only Shamsi, i know much more then that. By the way seen one too.

Good. I love the Drone attacks.

Well i don't know what u r taking from the driving thing, but i believe u r not getting the context of this whole discussion being done. Nor a i saying they killed anyone, if they did they will get the same treatment as the ones who got in fallujah or may be worse.

Then what is your beef with the Security Guards? I still don't get it.

This thread & discussion is abt something else, not conspiracies or blame game of by whom, don't understand why u bring in Ahmed Rashid or ur blame game rant.

He is just describing the typical mindset of Pakistanis who blame everyone else but themselves and now have leached onto American Security Guards as the latest in a long list of people to blame...Jews, Hindus, Israel, America, Zionists, India and now BlackWater

In the end better u get a mental check up as it looks out of order, waisay bhi u guys have much better psychologists, psychiatrists, neurosurgeons etc etc etc.

sorry...very lame comeback....

better luck next time :cheers:
 
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Just a talking point or perhaps more a question. The assumption is that because these guys are white, loud, rude and bad drivers they are american. While that might be a good chance whit that description it isnt proof they are, they could be mercenaries from any number of countires.

Two even if they are american it doesnt mean they are working for they US. The CIA and DOD seem to be in love with outscourcing, why not certain people in Pakistani politics or the army. Nothing better if you want some thing nasty done than hire 4 ex Rhodesian mercenaries then whip them out of the country and blame blackwater.

As for the driving if bad driving makes you american then half the world are american, try driving in Cairo ;)
 
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Pakistan is one of the most dangerous countries for foreigners and diplomats.

And thus they need protection and thus the need for Armed Bodyguards and Security personnel.

There is no vast conspiracy. Using common sense helps sometimes.

hahahahahaaha...What a joke from mercenary living in canada giving his valuable thoughts on Pakistan.

If Pakistan is suffering it is because of you loosers living abroad and passing stupid comments.
 
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I being in Peshawar have the privilege to see these Americans drive on daily basis in their Armored SUVs and just wish I had something to blow their arses to hell but unfortunately the time hasn't come to that yet.

And the very strange thing is that among all the VIEDs blasts, suicide blasts and IED blasts in and around Peshawar, not a single attack has happened on these American mercenaries roaming freely, especially going to and passing through those areas which have seen many attacks on Pakistani LEAs. They are clearly recognizable and they travel in broad day light, I wonder why in the dozens of attacks by TTP thugs which killed more then 500 people in Peshawar during last few months, not one blast or not even a single bullet was fired on these American mercenaries.

TTP says they are for Jihad against Americans, yet they fail to hit one American SUV filled with Americans, I wonder why.

Dont worry budy alongwith their stooges Zardari and rehman Malik their days are numbered. The count down has begun.:coffee:
 
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I will poke my nose cause I am Pakistani and I don't rely on Zaid Hamid for my news.



Sorry but I don't believe you or your sources.



So was blackwater behind the bombings in Peshawar? :rofl:



How do you know? Have you heard of Shamsi Air Base?



And how many Pakistanis have been killed or injured by Americans driving recklessly?

Sorry but if you think Americans driving dangerously is the most dire threat to Pakistan...then you need to have your head examined.



Sorry but I can. I have enough relatives in the Army, ISI to convey me a full picture of ground realities. The common tactic used by people like you to deflect any criticism of Pakistan is that you don't live here and thus are in no position to state otherwise.



DynaCorp, Xe are there to guard diplomats. .......................

Blackwater's Secret War in Pakistan Listen or Read....:pop:



Blackwater's Secret War in Pakistan

By Jeremy Scahill

November 23, 2009

At a covert forward operating base run by the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in the Pakistani port city of Karachi, members of an elite division of Blackwater are at the center of a secret program in which they plan targeted assassinations of suspected Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives, "snatch and grabs" of high-value targets and other sensitive action inside and outside Pakistan, an investigation by The Nation has found. The Blackwater operatives also assist in gathering intelligence and help direct a secret US military drone bombing campaign that runs parallel to the well-documented CIA predator strikes, according to a well-placed source within the US military intelligence apparatus.

The source, who has worked on covert US military programs for years, including in Afghanistan and Pakistan, has direct knowledge of Blackwater's involvement. He spoke to The Nation on condition of anonymity because the program is classified. The source said that the program is so "compartmentalized" that senior figures within the Obama administration and the US military chain of command may not be aware of its existence.

The White House did not return calls or email messages seeking comment for this story. Capt. John Kirby, the spokesperson for Adm. Michael Mullen, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told The Nation, "We do not discuss current operations one way or the other, regardless of their nature." A defense official, on background, specifically denied that Blackwater performs work on drone strikes or intelligence for JSOC in Pakistan. "We don't have any contracts to do that work for us. We don't contract that kind of work out, period," the official said. "There has not been, and is not now, contracts between JSOC and that organization for these types of services."

The previously unreported program, the military intelligence source said, is distinct from the CIA assassination program that the agency's director, Leon Panetta, announced he had canceled in June 2009. "This is a parallel operation to the CIA," said the source. "They are two separate beasts." The program puts Blackwater at the epicenter of a US military operation within the borders of a nation against which the United States has not declared war--knowledge that could further strain the already tense relations between the United States and Pakistan. In 2006, the United States and Pakistan struck a deal that authorized JSOC to enter Pakistan to hunt Osama bin Laden with the understanding that Pakistan would deny it had given permission. Officially, the United States is not supposed to have any active military operations in the country.

Blackwater, which recently changed its name to Xe Services and US Training Center, denies the company is operating in Pakistan. "Xe Services has only one employee in Pakistan performing construction oversight for the U.S. Government," Blackwater spokesperson Mark Corallo said in a statement to The Nation, adding that the company has "no other operations of any kind in Pakistan."

A former senior executive at Blackwater confirmed the military intelligence source's claim that the company is working in Pakistan for the CIA and JSOC, the premier counterterrorism and covert operations force within the military. He said that Blackwater is also working for the Pakistani government on a subcontract with an Islamabad-based security firm that puts US Blackwater operatives on the ground with Pakistani forces in counter-terrorism operations, including house raids and border interdictions, in the North-West Frontier Province and elsewhere in Pakistan. This arrangement, the former executive said, allows the Pakistani government to utilize former US Special Operations forces who now work for Blackwater while denying an official US military presence in the country. He also confirmed that Blackwater has a facility in Karachi and has personnel deployed elsewhere in Pakistan. The former executive spoke on condition of anonymity.

His account and that of the military intelligence source were borne out by a US military source who has knowledge of Special Forces actions in Pakistan and Afghanistan. When asked about Blackwater's covert work for JSOC in Pakistan, this source, who also asked for anonymity, told The Nation, "From my information that I have, that is absolutely correct," adding, "There's no question that's occurring."

"It wouldn't surprise me because we've outsourced nearly everything," said Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff from 2002 to 2005, when told of Blackwater's role in Pakistan. Wilkerson said that during his time in the Bush administration, he saw the beginnings of Blackwater's involvement with the sensitive operations of the military and CIA. "Part of this, of course, is an attempt to get around the constraints the Congress has placed on DoD. If you don't have sufficient soldiers to do it, you hire civilians to do it. I mean, it's that simple. It would not surprise me."

The Counterterrorism Tag Team in Karachi

The covert JSOC program with Blackwater in Pakistan dates back to at least 2007, according to the military intelligence source. The current head of JSOC is Vice Adm. William McRaven, who took over the post from Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC from 2003 to 2008 before being named the top US commander in Afghanistan. Blackwater's presence in Pakistan is "not really visible, and that's why nobody has cracked down on it," said the source. Blackwater's operations in Pakistan, he said, are not done through State Department contracts or publicly identified Defense contracts. "It's Blackwater via JSOC, and it's a classified no-bid [contract] approved on a rolling basis." The main JSOC/Blackwater facility in Karachi, according to the source, is nondescript: three trailers with various generators, satellite phones and computer systems are used as a makeshift operations center. "It's a very rudimentary operation," says the source. "I would compare it to [CIA] outposts in Kurdistan or any of the Special Forces outposts. It's very bare bones, and that's the point."

Blackwater's work for JSOC in Karachi is coordinated out of a Task Force based at Bagram Air Base in neighboring Afghanistan, according to the military intelligence source. While JSOC technically runs the operations in Karachi, he said, it is largely staffed by former US special operations soldiers working for a division of Blackwater, once known as Blackwater SELECT, and intelligence analysts working for a Blackwater affiliate, Total Intelligence Solutions (TIS), which is owned by Blackwater's founder, Erik Prince. The military source said that the name Blackwater SELECT may have been changed recently. Total Intelligence, which is run out of an office on the ninth floor of a building in the Ballston area of Arlington, Virginia, is staffed by former analysts and operatives from the CIA, DIA, FBI and other agencies. It is modeled after the CIA's counterterrorism center. In Karachi, TIS runs a "media-scouring/open-source network," according to the source. Until recently, Total Intelligence was run by two former top CIA officials, Cofer Black and Robert Richer, both of whom have left the company. In Pakistan, Blackwater is not using either its original name or its new moniker, Xe Services, according to the former Blackwater executive. "They are running most of their work through TIS because the other two [names] have such a stain on them," he said. Corallo, the Blackwater spokesperson, denied that TIS or any other division or affiliate of Blackwater has any personnel in Pakistan.

The US military intelligence source said that Blackwater's classified contracts keep getting renewed at the request of JSOC. Blackwater, he said, is already so deeply entrenched that it has become a staple of the US military operations in Pakistan. According to the former Blackwater executive, "The politics that go with the brand of BW is somewhat set aside because what you're doing is really one military guy to another." Blackwater's first known contract with the CIA for operations in Afghanistan was awarded in 2002 and was for work along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

One of the concerns raised by the military intelligence source is that some Blackwater personnel are being given rolling security clearances above their approved clearances. Using Alternative Compartmentalized Control Measures (ACCMs), he said, the Blackwater personnel are granted clearance to a Special Access Program, the bureaucratic term used to describe highly classified "black" operations. "With an ACCM, the security manager can grant access to you to be exposed to and operate within compartmentalized programs far above 'secret'--even though you have no business doing so," said the source. It allows Blackwater personnel that "do not have the requisite security clearance or do not hold a security clearance whatsoever to participate in classified operations by virtue of trust," he added. "Think of it as an ultra-exclusive level above top secret. That's exactly what it is: a circle of love." Blackwater, therefore, has access to "all source" reports that are culled in part from JSOC units in the field. "That's how a lot of things over the years have been conducted with contractors," said the source. "We have contractors that regularly see things that top policy-makers don't unless they ask."

According to the source, Blackwater has effectively marketed itself as a company whose operatives have "conducted lethal direct action missions and now, for a price, you can have your own planning cell. JSOC just ate that up," he said, adding, "They have a sizable force in Pakistan--not for any nefarious purpose if you really want to look at it that way--but to support a legitimate contract that's classified for JSOC." Blackwater's Pakistan JSOC contracts are secret and are therefore shielded from public oversight, he said. The source is not sure when the arrangement with JSOC began, but he says that a spin-off of Blackwater SELECT "was issued a no-bid contract for support to shooters for a JSOC Task Force and they kept extending it." Some of the Blackwater personnel, he said, work undercover as aid workers. "Nobody even gives them a second thought."

The military intelligence source said that the Blackwater/JSOC Karachi operation is referred to as "Qatar cubed," in reference to the US forward operating base in Qatar that served as the hub for the planning and implementation of the US invasion of Iraq. "This is supposed to be the brave new world," he says. "This is the Jamestown of the new millennium and it's meant to be a lily pad. You can jump off to Uzbekistan, you can jump back over the border, you can jump sideways, you can jump northwest. It's strategically located so that they can get their people wherever they have to without having to wrangle with the military chain of command in Afghanistan, which is convoluted. They don't have to deal with that because they're operating under a classified mandate."

In addition to planning drone strikes and operations against suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban forces in Pakistan for both JSOC and the CIA, the Blackwater team in Karachi also helps plan missions for JSOC inside Uzbekistan against the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, according to the military intelligence source. Blackwater does not actually carry out the operations, he said, which are executed on the ground by JSOC forces. "That piqued my curiosity and really worries me because I don't know if you noticed but I was never told we are at war with Uzbekistan," he said. "So, did I miss something, did Rumsfeld come back into power?"

Pakistan's Military Contracting Maze

Blackwater, according to the military intelligence source, is not doing the actual killing as part of its work in Pakistan. "The SELECT personnel are not going into places with private aircraft and going after targets," he said. "It's not like Blackwater SELECT people are running around assassinating people." Instead, US Special Forces teams carry out the plans developed in part by Blackwater. The military intelligence source drew a distinction between the Blackwater operatives who work for the State Department, which he calls "Blackwater Vanilla," and the seasoned Special Forces veterans who work on the JSOC program. "Good or bad, there's a small number of people who know how to pull off an operation like that. That's probably a good thing," said the source. "It's the Blackwater SELECT people that have and continue to plan these types of operations because they're the only people that know how and they went where the money was. It's not trigger-happy fucks, like some of the PSD [Personal Security Detail] guys. These are not people that believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, these are not people that kill innocent civilians. They're very good at what they do."

The former Blackwater executive, when asked for confirmation that Blackwater forces were not actively killing people in Pakistan, said, "that's not entirely accurate." While he concurred with the military intelligence source's description of the JSOC and CIA programs, he pointed to another role Blackwater is allegedly playing in Pakistan, not for the US government but for Islamabad. According to the executive, Blackwater works on a subcontract for Kestral Logistics, a powerful Pakistani firm, which specializes in military logistical support, private security and intelligence consulting. It is staffed with former high-ranking Pakistani army and government officials. While Kestral's main offices are in Pakistan, it also has branches in several other countries.

A spokesperson for the US State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), which is responsible for issuing licenses to US corporations to provide defense-related services to foreign governments or entities, would neither confirm nor deny for The Nation that Blackwater has a license to work in Pakistan or to work with Kestral. "We cannot help you," said department spokesperson David McKeeby after checking with the relevant DDTC officials. "You'll have to contact the companies directly." Blackwater's Corallo said the company has "no operations of any kind" in Pakistan other than the one employee working for the DoD. Kestral did not respond to inquiries from The Nation.

According to federal lobbying records, Kestral recently hired former Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, who served in that post from 2003 to 2005, to lobby the US government, including the State Department, USAID and Congress, on foreign affairs issues "regarding [Kestral's] capabilities to carry out activities of interest to the United States." Noriega was hired through his firm, Vision Americas, which he runs with Christina Rocca, a former CIA operations official who served as assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs from 2001 to 2006 and was deeply involved in shaping US policy toward Pakistan. In October 2009, Kestral paid Vision Americas $15,000 and paid a Vision Americas-affiliated firm, Firecreek Ltd., an equal amount to lobby on defense and foreign policy issues.

For years, Kestral has done a robust business in defense logistics with the Pakistani government and other nations, as well as top US defense companies. Blackwater owner Erik Prince is close with Kestral CEO Liaquat Ali Baig, according to the former Blackwater executive. "Ali and Erik have a pretty close relationship," he said. "They've met many times and struck a deal, and they [offer] mutual support for one another." Working with Kestral, he said, Blackwater has provided convoy security for Defense Department shipments destined for Afghanistan that would arrive in the port at Karachi. Blackwater, according to the former executive, would guard the supplies as they were transported overland from Karachi to Peshawar and then west through the Torkham border crossing, the most important supply route for the US military in Afghanistan.

According to the former executive, Blackwater operatives also integrate with Kestral's forces in sensitive counterterrorism operations in the North-West Frontier Province, where they work in conjunction with the Pakistani Interior Ministry's paramilitary force, known as the Frontier Corps (alternately referred to as "frontier scouts"). The Blackwater personnel are technically advisers, but the former executive said that the line often gets blurred in the field. Blackwater "is providing the actual guidance on how to do [counterterrorism operations] and Kestral's folks are carrying a lot of them out, but they're having the guidance and the overwatch from some BW guys that will actually go out with the teams when they're executing the job," he said. "You can see how that can lead to other things in the border areas." He said that when Blackwater personnel are out with the Pakistani teams, sometimes its men engage in operations against suspected terrorists. "You've got BW guys that are assisting... and they're all going to want to go on the jobs--so they're going to go with them," he said. "So, the things that you're seeing in the news about how this Pakistani military group came in and raided this house or did this or did that--in some of those cases, you're going to have Western folks that are right there at the house, if not in the house." Blackwater, he said, is paid by the Pakistani government through Kestral for consulting services. "That gives the Pakistani government the cover to say, 'Hey, no, we don't have any Westerners doing this. It's all local and our people are doing it.' But it gets them the expertise that Westerners provide for [counterterrorism]-related work."

The military intelligence source confirmed Blackwater works with the Frontier Corps, saying, "There's no real oversight. It's not really on people's radar screen."

In October, in response to Pakistani news reports that a Kestral warehouse in Islamabad was being used to store heavy weapons for Blackwater, the US Embassy in Pakistan released a statement denying the weapons were being used by "a private American security contractor." The statement said, "Kestral Logistics is a private logistics company that handles the importation of equipment and supplies provided by the United States to the Government of Pakistan. All of the equipment and supplies were imported at the request of the Government of Pakistan, which also certified the shipments."

Who is Behind the Drone Attacks?


Since President Barack Obama was inaugurated, the United States has expanded drone bombing raids in Pakistan. Obama first ordered a drone strike against targets in North and South Waziristan on January 23, and the strikes have been conducted consistently ever since. The Obama administration has now surpassed the number of Bush-era strikes in Pakistan and has faced fierce criticism from Pakistan and some US lawmakers over civilian deaths. A drone attack in June killed as many as sixty people attending a Taliban funeral.

In August, the New York Times reported that Blackwater works for the CIA at "hidden bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the company's contractors assemble and load Hellfire missiles and 500-pound laser-guided bombs on remotely piloted Predator aircraft." In February, The Times of London obtained a satellite image of a secret CIA airbase in Shamsi, in Pakistan's southwestern province of Baluchistan, showing three drone aircraft. The New York Times also reported that the agency uses a secret base in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, to strike in Pakistan.

The military intelligence source says that the drone strike that reportedly killed Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud, his wife and his bodyguards in Waziristan in August was a CIA strike, but that many others attributed in media reports to the CIA are actually JSOC strikes. "Some of these strikes are attributed to OGA [Other Government Agency, intelligence parlance for the CIA], but in reality it's JSOC and their parallel program of UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] because they also have access to UAVs. So when you see some of these hits, especially the ones with high civilian casualties, those are almost always JSOC strikes." The Pentagon has stated bluntly, "There are no US military strike operations being conducted in Pakistan."

The military intelligence source also confirmed that Blackwater continues to work for the CIA on its drone bombing program in Pakistan, as previously reported in the New York Times, but added that Blackwater is working on JSOC's drone bombings as well. "It's Blackwater running the program for both CIA and JSOC," said the source. When civilians are killed, "people go, 'Oh, it's the CIA doing crazy **** again unchecked.' Well, at least 50 percent of the time, that's JSOC [hitting] somebody they've identified through HUMINT [human intelligence] or they've culled the intelligence themselves or it's been shared with them and they take that person out and that's how it works."

The military intelligence source says that the CIA operations are subject to Congressional oversight, unlike the parallel JSOC bombings. "Targeted killings are not the most popular thing in town right now and the CIA knows that," he says. "Contractors and especially JSOC personnel working under a classified mandate are not [overseen by Congress], so they just don't care. If there's one person they're going after and there's thirty-four people in the building, thirty-five people are going to die. That's the mentality." He added, "They're not accountable to anybody and they know that. It's an open secret, but what are you going to do, shut down JSOC?"

In addition to working on covert action planning and drone strikes, Blackwater SELECT also provides private guards to perform the sensitive task of security for secret US drone bases, JSOC camps and Defense Intelligence Agency camps inside Pakistan, according to the military intelligence source.

Mosharraf Zaidi, a well-known Pakistani journalist who has served as a consultant for the UN and European Union in Pakistan and Afghanistan, says that the Blackwater/JSOC program raises serious questions about the norms of international relations. "The immediate question is, How do you define the active pursuit of military objectives in a country with which not only have you not declared war but that is supposedly a front-line non-NATO ally in the US struggle to contain extremist violence coming out of Afghanistan and the border regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan?" asks Zaidi, who is currently a columnist for The News, the biggest English-language daily in Pakistan. "Let's forget Blackwater for a second. What this is confirming is that there are US military operations in Pakistan that aren't about logistics or getting food to Bagram; that are actually about the exercise of physical violence, physical force inside of Pakistani territory."

JSOC: Rumsfeld and Cheney's Extra Special Force

Colonel Wilkerson said that he is concerned that with General McChrystal's elevation as the military commander of the Afghan war--which is increasingly seeping into Pakistan--there is a concomitant rise in JSOC's power and influence within the military structure. "I don't see how you can escape that; it's just a matter of the way the authority flows and the power flows, and it's inevitable, I think," Wilkerson told The Nation. He added, "I'm alarmed when I see execute orders and combat orders that go out saying that the supporting force is Central Command and the supported force is Special Operations Command," under which JSOC operates. "That's backward. But that's essentially what we have today."

From 2003 to 2008 McChrystal headed JSOC, which is headquartered at Pope Air Force Base and Fort Bragg in North Carolina, where Blackwater's 7,000-acre operating base is also situated. JSOC controls the Army's Delta Force, the Navy's SEAL Team 6, as well as the Army's 75th Ranger Regiment and 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, and the Air Force's 24th Special Tactics Squadron. JSOC performs strike operations, reconnaissance in denied areas and special intelligence missions. Blackwater, which was founded by former Navy SEALs, employs scores of veteran Special Forces operators--which several former military officials pointed to as the basis for Blackwater's alleged contracts with JSOC.

Since 9/11, many top-level Special Forces veterans have taken up employment with private firms, where they can make more money doing the highly specialized work they did in uniform. "The Blackwater individuals have the experience. A lot of these individuals are retired military, and they've been around twenty to thirty years and have experience that the younger Green Beret guys don't," said retired Army Lieut. Col. Jeffrey Addicott, a well-connected military lawyer who served as senior legal counsel for US Army Special Forces. "They're known entities. Everybody knows who they are, what their capabilities are, and they've got the experience. They're very valuable."

"They make much more money being the smarts of these operations, planning hits in various countries and basing it off their experience in Chechnya, Bosnia, Somalia, Ethiopia," said the military intelligence source. "They were there for all of these things, they know what the hell they're talking about. And JSOC has unfortunately lost the institutional capability to plan within, so they hire back people that used to work for them and had already planned and executed these [types of] operations. They hired back people that jumped over to Blackwater SELECT and then pay them exorbitant amounts of money to plan future operations. It's a ridiculous revolving door."

While JSOC has long played a central role in US counterterrorism and covert operations, military and civilian officials who worked at the Defense and State Departments during the Bush administration described in interviews with The Nation an extremely cozy relationship that developed between the executive branch (primarily through Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld) and JSOC. During the Bush era, Special Forces turned into a virtual stand-alone operation that acted outside the military chain of command and in direct coordination with the White House. Throughout the Bush years, it was largely General McChrystal who ran JSOC. "What I was seeing was the development of what I would later see in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Special Operations forces would operate in both theaters without the conventional commander even knowing what they were doing," said Colonel Wilkerson. "That's dangerous, that's very dangerous. You have all kinds of mess when you don't tell the theater commander what you're doing."

Wilkerson said that almost immediately after assuming his role at the State Department under Colin Powell, he saw JSOC being politicized and developing a close relationship with the executive branch. He saw this begin, he said, after his first Delta Force briefing at Fort Bragg. "I think Cheney and Rumsfeld went directly into JSOC. I think they went into JSOC at times, perhaps most frequently, without the SOCOM [Special Operations] commander at the time even knowing it. The receptivity in JSOC was quite good," says Wilkerson. "I think Cheney was actually giving McChrystal instructions, and McChrystal was asking him for instructions." He said the relationship between JSOC and Cheney and Rumsfeld "built up initially because Rumsfeld didn't get the responsiveness. He didn't get the can-do kind of attitude out of the SOCOM commander, and so as Rumsfeld was wont to do, he cut him out and went straight to the horse's mouth. At that point you had JSOC operating as an extension of the [administration] doing things the executive branch--read: Cheney and Rumsfeld--wanted it to do. This would be more or less carte blanche. You need to do it, do it. It was very alarming for me as a conventional soldier."

Wilkerson said the JSOC teams caused diplomatic problems for the United States across the globe. "When these teams started hitting capital cities and other places all around the world, [Rumsfeld] didn't tell the State Department either. The only way we found out about it is our ambassadors started to call us and say, 'Who the hell are these six-foot-four white males with eighteen-inch biceps walking around our capital cities?' So we discovered this, we discovered one in South America, for example, because he actually murdered a taxi driver, and we had to get him out of there real quick. We rendered him--we rendered him home."

As part of their strategy, Rumsfeld and Cheney also created the Strategic Support Branch (SSB), which pulled intelligence resources from the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA for use in sensitive JSOC operations. The SSB was created using "reprogrammed" funds "without explicit congressional authority or appropriation," according to the Washington Post. The SSB operated outside the military chain of command and circumvented the CIA's authority on clandestine operations. Rumsfeld created it as part of his war to end "near total dependence on CIA." Under US law, the Defense Department is required to report all deployment orders to Congress. But guidelines issued in January 2005 by former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone stated that Special Operations forces may "conduct clandestine HUMINT operations...before publication" of a deployment order. This effectively gave Rumsfeld unilateral control over clandestine operations.

The military intelligence source said that when Rumsfeld was defense secretary, JSOC was deployed to commit some of the "darkest acts" in part to keep them concealed from Congress. "Everything can be justified as a military operation versus a clandestine intelligence performed by the CIA, which has to be informed to Congress," said the source. "They were aware of that and they knew that, and they would exploit it at every turn and they took full advantage of it. They knew they could act extra-legally and nothing would happen because A, it was sanctioned by DoD at the highest levels, and B, who was going to stop them? They were preparing the battlefield, which was on all of the PowerPoints: 'Preparing the Battlefield.'"

The significance of the flexibility of JSOC's operations inside Pakistan versus the CIA's is best summed up by Senator Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "Every single intelligence operation and covert action must be briefed to the Congress," she said. "If they are not, that is a violation of the law."

Blackwater: Company Non Grata in Pakistan

For months, the Pakistani media has been flooded with stories about Blackwater's alleged growing presence in the country. For the most part, these stories have been ignored by the US press and denounced as lies or propaganda by US officials in Pakistan. But the reality is that, although many of the stories appear to be wildly exaggerated, Pakistanis have good reason to be concerned about Blackwater's operations in their country. It is no secret in Washington or Islamabad that Blackwater has been a central part of the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan and that the company has been involved--almost from the beginning of the "war on terror"--with clandestine US operations. Indeed, Blackwater is accepting applications for contractors fluent in Urdu and Punjabi. The US Ambassador to Pakistan, Anne Patterson, has denied Blackwater's presence in the country, stating bluntly in September, "Blackwater is not operating in Pakistan." In her trip to Pakistan in October, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton dodged questions from the Pakistani press about Blackwater's rumored Pakistani operations. Pakistan's interior minister, Rehman Malik, said on November 21 he will resign if Blackwater is found operating anywhere in Pakistan.

The Christian Science Monitor recently reported that Blackwater "provides security for a US-backed aid project" in Peshawar, suggesting the company may be based out of the Pearl Continental, a luxury hotel the United States reportedly is considering purchasing to use as a consulate in the city. "We have no contracts in Pakistan," Blackwater spokesperson Stacey DeLuke said recently. "We've been blamed for all that has gone wrong in Peshawar, none of which is true, since we have absolutely no presence there."

Reports of Blackwater's alleged presence in Karachi and elsewhere in the country have been floating around the Pakistani press for months. Hamid Mir, a prominent Pakistani journalist who rose to fame after his 1997 interview with Osama bin Laden, claimed in a recent interview that Blackwater is in Karachi. "The US [intelligence] agencies think that a number of Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are hiding in Karachi and Peshawar," he said. "That is why [Blackwater] agents are operating in these two cities." Ambassador Patterson has said that the claims of Mir and other Pakistani journalists are "wildly incorrect," saying they had compromised the security of US personnel in Pakistan. On November 20 the Washington Times, citing three current and former US intelligence officials, reported that Mullah Mohammed Omar, the leader of the Afghan Taliban, has "found refuge from potential U.S. attacks" in Karachi "with the assistance of Pakistan's intelligence service."

In September, the Pakistani press covered a report on Blackwater allegedly submitted by Pakistan's intelligence agencies to the federal interior ministry. In the report, the intelligence agencies reportedly allege that Blackwater was provided houses by a federal minister who is also helping them clear shipments of weapons and vehicles through Karachi's Port Qasim on the coast of the Arabian Sea. The military intelligence source did not confirm this but did say, "The port jives because they have a lot of [former] SEALs and they would revert to what they know: the ocean, instead of flying stuff in."

The Nation cannot independently confirm these allegations and has not seen the Pakistani intelligence report. But according to Pakistani press coverage, the intelligence report also said Blackwater has acquired "bungalows" in the Defense Housing Authority in the city. According to the DHA website, it is a large residential estate originally established "for the welfare of the serving and retired officers of the Armed Forces of Pakistan." Its motto is: "Home for Defenders." The report alleges Blackwater is receiving help from local government officials in Karachi and is using vehicles with license plates traditionally assigned to members of the national and provincial assemblies, meaning local law enforcement will not stop them.

The use of private companies like Blackwater for sensitive operations such as drone strikes or other covert work undoubtedly comes with the benefit of plausible deniability that places an additional barrier in an already deeply flawed system of accountability. When things go wrong, it's the contractors' fault, not the government's. But the widespread use of contractors also raises serious legal questions, particularly when they are a part of lethal, covert actions. "We are using contractors for things that in the past might have been considered to be a violation of the Geneva Convention," said Lt. Col. Addicott, who now runs the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio, Texas. "In my opinion, we have pressed the envelope to the breaking limit, and it's almost a fiction that these guys are not in offensive military operations." Addicott added, "If we were subjected to the International Criminal Court, some of these guys could easily be picked up, charged with war crimes and put on trial. That's one of the reasons we're not members of the International Criminal Court."

If there is one quality that has defined Blackwater over the past decade, it is the ability to survive against the odds while simultaneously reinventing and rebranding itself. That is most evident in Afghanistan, where the company continues to work for the US military, the CIA and the State Department despite intense criticism and almost weekly scandals. Blackwater's alleged Pakistan operations, said the military intelligence source, are indicative of its new frontier. "Having learned its lessons after the private security contracting fiasco in Iraq, Blackwater has shifted its operational focus to two venues: protecting things that are in danger and anticipating other places we're going to go as a nation that are dangerous," he said. "It's as simple as that."



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^^ Saw the interview and read the article. Nothing I already didn't know. As long as Taliban and Al Qaeda are being killed. I don't have a problem with these guys operating in Pakistan.
 
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^^ Saw the interview and read the article. Nothing I already didn't know. As long as Taliban and Al Qaeda are being killed. I don't have a problem with these guys operating in Pakistan.

You sure don't know the danger they can posess to Pakistans internal security? Pakistan is in a very critical moment these days and you have to admit, US always play double, remember the war between Iran and Iraq?


Eid mubarak to everyone from Norway! :pakistan:
 
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I don't understand why these ******** are allowed to roam around with wepons so freely?

As the Scahill article indicates, the Americans are special ops contractors on various missions focusing on tracking and hunting down AQ and AQ-affiliated pakistani operatives in the cities - and that is why the pakistani government is allowing them the space to operate.
 
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