Founder of China : Cantonese - Hakka

[Fattyacids]

This is correct. I am a Shanhainese and my mother always said we are southern. Although my father origin is a Northern, I consider myself a Southern. LOL

By the way, don't fall into the trap. They are trying to break us apart by creating illusive ethnic boundary when there is none. Cantonese Patrilieanlity is Han. Most responsible for collapse of Qing is a contribution of many revolutionists. One of which is the most important is Yuan Shikai. Time for Indian to learn history. LOL

Exactly, China is a vast country, north and south merely denotes geography, it has no racial or cultural connotation, unlike India where the north and the south are different ethnicities with different languages. We have a rich and homogeneous culture, they don't. Indian troll's jealous of our culture and history.

 

[Wholegrain]

You are dog. Hongkongers are called as Dogs by Han chinese in China.

You are a dumbass, the Hong Kongers feel their special identity is due to British colonization, not because of "nanyue" or they think they are not Han.

The Cantonese in mainland China in Guangdong are considered mainlanders and alien to those Hong Kongers who hate the mainland.

You should worry about your own fake Kinh people in south Vietnam who are being ruled over by "true Kinh" from Hanoi.

Northern and southern Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EastSea]

You are a dumbass, the Hong Kongers feel their special identity is due to British colonization, not because of "nanyue" or they think they are not Han.

The Cantonese in mainland China in Guangdong are considered mainlanders and alien to those Hong Kongers who hate the mainland.

You should worry about your own fake Kinh people in south Vietnam who are being ruled over by "true Kinh" from Hanoi.

Northern and southern Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Honhkongers are true Nan Yue people.

They don't care about who is a ruler, Zhao Tuo or white Britains. If the rulers let they have chance to do their business, to make money, this is OK. With money, they can have what they want. Most of richest people in in China are Cantonese. Without money of Cantonese Dr. Sun could not do nothing to overthrown Man Qing Emperor.

You troll nonsens.
In Vietnam, southern Kinhs are in top rulers of Hanoi's Regime now, both President and Primer Minister are Southerners.

 

[Wholegrain]

Honhkongers are true Nan Yue people.

They don't care about who is a ruler, Zhao Tuo or white Britains. If the rulers let they have chance to do their business, to make money, this is OK. With money, they can have what they want. Most of richest people in in China are Cantonese. Without money of Cantonese Dr. Sun could not do nothing to overthrown Man Qing Emperor.

You troll nonsens.
In Vietnam, southern Kinhs are in top rulers of Hanoi's Regime now, both President and Primer Minister are Southerners.

Wrong idiot, most Hong kongers migrated to Hong Kong AFTER Britain took over during the 18th century, including massive amounts of non-Cantonese like Teochew, Hakka, and others. You continue to expose your stupidity and ignorance. Almost none of the Hong kongers lived there before the British. It used to be an insignificant fishing village before Britain ruled it. Hong Konger's identity is not rooted in being Cantonese, in fact most Hong Kongers who take pride in their identity think Cantonese from mainland Guangdong are alien mainlanders.

 

[Viet]

There is no such thing of Han Chinese slavery, but "Emperors'/CCP's slavery".
Just like your VCP.

agreed...just wanted to mock Chinese a bit. Don´t take thing too serious. LOL

You know there is a saying in Mainland China:
First the foreigners, Second the officeholders, Third the minorities and Last the Han.
一等洋人二等官，三等少民四等漢

really? If true I´m shocked.

How HK people see Viets?
Four characters: 北漏洞拉

I need help: what do the characters say?

 

[INDIC]

Exactly, China is a vast country, north and south merely denotes geography, it has no racial or cultural connotation, unlike India where the north and the south are different ethnicities with different languages. We have a rich and homogeneous culture, they don't. Indian troll's jealous of our culture and history.

Southern Hans are assimilated as Hans, that's happened in original Chinese history. We have a same civilization respecting languages of people unlike Chinese who are desperate to ban Southern dialects, enforce Mandarin on everyone.

Protests in Guangdong in Regards to Cantonese Language | Canton 168 - 廣東一路發

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[Wholegrain]

Southern Hans are assimilated as Hans, that's happened in original Chinese history. We have a same civilization respecting languages of people unlike Chinese who are desperate to ban Southern dialects, enforce Mandarin on everyone.

Protests in Guangdong in Regards to Cantonese Language | Canton 168 - 廣東一路發

Here our multi-language TV channels.

No retard, the majority of southern Han are descended from northern Han migrants to southern China. Thats why most southern han share Y Chromosome Haplogroup O3a with northern Han.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books

Y chromosome data show that on average southern Chinese Han have a large paternal contribution from northern Chinese Han (82%). But mtDNA data show that southern Chinese Han have equal maternal contributions from northern Chinese Han (56%) and southern Chinese natives ( 44%) (Table 4A). The high paternal but lower maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han indicate strong sex-biased admixture in southern Chinese Han over the past two millennia (Wen et al. 2004). A more recent comparison of paternal and maternal data confirmed the sex-biased admixture in southern Chinese Han (Xue et al. 2008).

When we consider the admixture proportions of Fujian Han and Guangdong Han, the ancestors of Taiwanese Han, sex-biased admixture is even more evident than in the southern Chinese Han averages. Fujian Han are estimated to have a 100 percent paternal contribution from northern Chinese Han but only a 34 percent maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han. Guangdong Han are estimated to have 68 percent paternal but only 1 5 percent maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han. The maternal contributions from southern Chinese natives to Fujian and Guangdong Han were estimated as 66 percent and 85 percent (Table 3A), respectively. The extreme sex-biased contributions in Fujian Han and Guangdong Han indicate that the male ancestors of Taiwanese Han frequently intermarried with the female ancestors of southern Chinese natives before they migrated to Taiwan.

This sex-bias illustrates a significant feature of the Han expansion: many male migrants from northern China married women from local non-Han populations in the south. Therefore, the Han-grandfathers-Indigenous-grandmothers folk saying seems to apply generally to southern China over the past two millenia.

http://159.226.149.45/compgenegroup/paper/wenbo Han culture paper (2004).pdf

The spread of culture and language in human populations is explained by two alternative models: the demic diffusion model, which involves mass movement of people; and the cultural diffusion model, which refers to cultural impact between populations and involves limited genetic exchange between them. The mechanism of the peopling of Europe has long been debated, a key issue being whether the diffusion of agriculture and language from the Near East was concomitant with a large movement of farmers. Here we show, by systematically analysing Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA variation in Han populations, that the pattern of the southward expansion of Han culture is consistent with the demic diffusion model, and that males played a larger role than females in this expansion. The Han people, who all share the same culture and language, exceed 1.16 billion (2000 census), and are by far the largest ethnic group in the world. The expansion process of Han culture is thus of great interest to researchers in many fields.

European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages

Analyses of archeological, anatomical, linguistic, and genetic data suggested consistently the presence of a significant boundary between the populations of north and south in China. However, the exact location and the strength of this boundary have remained controversial. In this study, we systematically explored the spatial genetic structure and the boundary of north–south division of human populations using mtDNA data in 91 populations and Y-chromosome data in 143 populations. Our results highlight a distinct difference between spatial genetic structures of maternal and paternal lineages. A substantial genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is the characteristic of maternal structure, with a significant uninterrupted genetic boundary extending approximately along the Huai River and Qin Mountains north to Yangtze River. On the paternal side, however, no obvious genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is revealed.

The majority of Northern and Southern Han Y chromosomes are the same, subclades of Y haplogroup O3. Native haplogroups like O1 are in the minority.

Southern dialects like Cantonese are even closer to ancient Middle Chinese than Mandarin.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books

Cantonese is ancient as well as modern

As spoken today, Cantonese features certain phonological characteristics that are quite close to some pronunciations in Middle Chinese. In fact, some classic Chinese literary pieces, especially poetry, sound close to the original when read in Cantonese because Cantonese phonology is similar in many aspects to the pronunciations used in Middle Chinese.

In contrast, the pronunciation of Mandarin is very different from Middle Chinese; thus, poetry in Middle Chinese can sound quite discordant when read in Mandarin. Using Mandarin phonology in poetry and other rhyme-based writings originally composed in Middle Chinese may sometimes make the lines of the poem sound quite incoherent as Mandarin differs so markedly from Middle Chinese phonology.

The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books

Cantonese is probably the closest living dialect to the Middle Chinese of the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), and the Cantonese often refer to themselves as 唐人 tong yan, "people of the Tang."

Non Han people would refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan) as "people of the Tang". The Cantonese would use this same term to refer to themselves.

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

China - Michael Cannings - Google Books

 

[Snomannen]

agreed...just wanted to mock Chinese a bit. Don´t take thing too serious. LOL

really? If true I´m shocked.

I need help: what do the characters say?

I wasn't being serious.

Not 100% true of course, but this saying does inflect the problem of inequality within Chinese society, since in some cases the CCP did show more tolerance to foreigners and minorities (as a symbol of showing the world how nice the Chinese government is). For example, in ancient China, the government usually released those foreign privates by simply telling them "don't do it again", yet they always showed no mercy to local privates.

Bat lau dung laai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

No retard, the majority of southern Han are descended from northern Han migrants to southern China. Thats why most southern han share Y Chromosome Haplogroup O3a with northern Han.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books



http://159.226.149.45/compgenegroup/paper/wenbo Han culture paper (2004).pdf



European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages



The majority of Northern and Southern Han Y chromosomes are the same, subclades of Y haplogroup O3. Native haplogroups like O1 are in the minority.

Southern dialects like Cantonese are even closer to ancient Middle Chinese than Mandarin.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books



The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books



Non Han people would refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan) as "people of the Tang". The Cantonese would use this same term to refer to themselves.

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

China - Michael Cannings - Google Books

So, doesn't it prove they were assimilated into a wider Han society when southern China was originally inhabited by non-Han people.

 

[tranquilium]

It's a collective effort from people coming from all parts of China.

 

[Fattyacids]

Southern Hans are assimilated as Hans, that's happened in original Chinese history. We have a same civilization respecting languages of people unlike Chinese who are desperate to ban Southern dialects, enforce Mandarin on everyone.

Protests in Guangdong in Regards to Cantonese Language | Canton 168 - 廣東一路發

Here our multi-language TV channels.

Southern Han are Han Chinese by DNA, there's no argument about it. "Assimilation" means adopting into another culture or country, assimilated people are not of the same race, don't confuse Indian history with Chinese. India had to allow many languages because indians are not one homogeneous people. We only have one chinese language, dialect is not a language. Cantonese is a dialect. There's no basis for comparison with the different ethnicities and languages of India. Apple and Orange.

So, doesn't it prove they were assimilated into a wider Han society when southern China was originally inhabited by non-Han people.

Wholegrain just provided a whole lot academic references and I gave you the definition of "assimilation," so don't humor us with your own invention of chinese history.
We are well educated.

 

[rott]

Southern Hans are assimilated as Hans, that's happened in original Chinese history. We have a same civilization respecting languages of people unlike Chinese who are desperate to ban Southern dialects, enforce Mandarin on everyone.

Protests in Guangdong in Regards to Cantonese Language | Canton 168 - 廣東一路發

Here our multi-language TV channels.

Hehe.... You do not understand Chinese History, my grandaddy immigrated to the south from the north and it's not BS, check WIKI. Hakka people are from the north who migrated to the south. Cheers!!!

 

[INDIC]

Southern Han are Han Chinese by DNA, there's no argument about it. "Assimilation" means adopting into another culture or country, assimilated people are not of the same race, don't confuse Indian history with Chinese. India had to allow many languages because indians are not one homogeneous people. We only have one chinese language, dialect is not a language. Cantonese is a dialect. There's no basis for comparison with the different ethnicities and languages of India. Apple and Orange.



Wholegrain just provided a whole lot academic references and I gave you the definition of "assimilation," so don't humor us with your own invention of chinese history.
We are well educated.

We have many languages because we accept Multiculturalism, a thing missing among Chinese. 

Hehe.... You do not understand Chinese History, my grandaddy immigrated to the south from the north and it's not BS, check WIKI. Hakka people are from the north who migrated to the south. Cheers!!!

Migration always happens. We Indians have custom of preserving clan names(gotra) since several thousand years which is passed from father to kids and we share it far and wide across India.

 

[Snomannen]

We have many languages because we accept Multiculturalism, a thing missing among Chinese.

China has many languages and dialects too.

 

[Fattyacids]

We have many languages because we accept Multiculturalism, a thing missing among Chinese.

India has many languages because you were never one homogeneous people and culture. You have no choice, but to accept multiculturalism.

Han Chinese have always been one homogenous people. Naturally we won't be multicultural.