Formal Offer for J-31 and also presention on J20

[ACE OF THE AIR]

No. It is in the simplest sense a bad reputation you make if you borrow more than you can pay interest on your payment plans. If you cross a limit, other people will not be willing to give you a loan for something that may really be more important.

Thanks

 

[danger007]

A fool would presume to speak for the Chinese. The Chinese would give us anything, provided we can afford it. To facilitate that too they were willing to give us soft loans but it is Pakistan that has denied it because our credit rating cannot take any more loans.

I am not picking names just to avoid unnecessary arguments. . am just saying. . no need to over excite... there is long way for the J 31..

 

[Shariq786]

How old are you really? What they are talking about, even a 10 year old aviation enthusiast knows. There is nothing credible in your post and you are silly hell bent in just arguing for no good reason.

1) Everyone knows in close combat, IR is what can make the -22 seen. So yea, even a nanosecond worth of IR lock by AIM would do. I think the Rafale's proved it. But then again, how many times would you EVER see a Raptor within the IR range? Probably never in a conflict as the -22 will be firing from 60-100 miles away!!!

2) Post stall maneuver, I think I wrote about it on this very forum or another forum, like 4 years ago. That's true for Raptor or anything else with TVC. Post stall recovery is the easiest way to get anything with heavy TVC involved. It has nothing to do with -22 being Stealth, its the TVC that's getting it out of a Missile lock, but post stall, getting it in a clear gun sight or in another missile lock for short range AAMs. But really, how often in combat, you'd expect to see the Raptor do a fun Cobra in front of you, knowing it would be a sitting duck to even an upgraded Mig-21 in post stall recovery. These things exist for fun exercises and so are the "simulated" combat related details. Simulated combats are good training missions, not actual warfare.

3) Do you really expect for anyone out there to come on up to the media and openly gossip about hot easily they can shoot down probably the most guarded and secret weapon system on the planet, costing a whopping $ 175 million per jet? You have to be out of touch with reality to think so!!

LOL thats not my writing thats the artical from a reliable source go teach tham a leeson or 2 so they won't publish such things ever agian will ya OLD MAN

 

[IND151]

j 31 is really a stealth high tech fighter. ..then china won't export it to other countries for next 6-7 years of induction in their AF

There are sources which suggest China wants to export it.

The exported J 31s will be simplified in that case.

 

[Saifullah]

First test for Chinese is to match the Russians. Hotties at GE and P&W come way later. The real evidence of Chinese engine breakthrough would come when we would see Chinese prototyping engines on aircrafts.

I Think it already happened.

 

[SQ8]

I am not picking names just to avoid unnecessary arguments. . am just saying. . no need to over excite... there is long way for the J 31..

Off course there is. Without billions in the coffer, everything takes a long while. Even with billions it takes a long while. The F-22, F-35, Tejas , Eurofighter.. all of them.

 

[danger007]

Off course there is. Without billions in the coffer, everything takes a long while. Even with billions it takes a long while. The F-22, F-35, Tejas , Eurofighter.. all of them.

Yes even the J 20 or J 31 or J xx

 

[MastanKhan]

I am not picking names just to avoid unnecessary arguments. . am just saying. . no need to over excite... there is long way for the J 31..

Hi,

Hello sir---how are you doing today?

" Long way " is a relative term-----it would mean different in Hindi than it would in Urdu / mandarin----. Let me explain it---.

In hindi---the contracts---deals and research and design keeps going on for 10--15---20 years +++ and sometimes still no results----.

Now in Urdu / mandarin---the first 2 to 3 years set up the pace---and the next 2 to 3 years bring results----. As I stated in the past that once pakistan says go---it will be around 5 years that the aircraft would start arriving----.

So----this term " long way " is not very relevant----.

 

[Viper0011.]

There are sources which suggest China wants to export it.

The exported J 31s will be simplified in that case.

Simplified in terms of they'll turn it into a JF-17 to export it . You guys need to quit adding stupidity and jealousy. Let's stay factual please.

A stealth plane with internal bays will be a stealth plane with internal bays and weapon systems. It will be invisible to whatever degree it was designed for, it will also carry and fire the payload it was designed for.

there is long way for the J 31..

If you see the way Chinese work, the "long way" usually refers to 5-7 years. Now apply that "long way" to the Chinese and the Pakisanis, this means 4-5 years for the first set of jets to be delivered for testing. I think we've all seen this before a few times. You guys don't learn from the history do you???? because it repeats itself. So if you learned from history today, you'll save yourself hundreds of silly posts long term. Just sayin'

 

[danger007]

Simplified in terms of they'll turn it into a JF-17 to export it . You guys need to quit adding stupidity and jealousy. Let's stay factual please.

A stealth plane with internal bays will be a stealth plane with internal bays and weapon systems. It will be invisible to whatever degree it was designed for, it will also carry and fire the payload it was designed for.



If you see the way Chinese work, the "long way" usually refers to 5-7 years. Now apply that "long way" to the Chinese and the Pakisanis, this means 4-5 years for the first set of jets to be delivered for testing. I think we've all seen this before a few times. You guys don't learn from the history do you???? because it repeats itself. So if you learned from history today, you'll save yourself hundreds of silly posts long term. Just sayin'

they are not reverse engineering any jet.. they supposed to break difficulties come up with a whole new generation jet.. an 5th gen jet in 4-5years??? you must be kidding. ... or you are over hyping chinese capabilities. ..

 

[Viper0011.]

they are not reverse engineering any jet.. they supposed to break difficulties come up with a whole new generation jet.. an 5th gen jet in 4-5years??? you must be kidding. ... or you are over hyping chinese capabilities. ..

The J-31 is really a stolen tech (JSF) from the US. The Chinese have reverse engineered it like they do to the rest. Assuming it is 60% as capable as the real -35, it still beats all Indian air force 4th and 4.5th gen jets hands down and from a huge distance!! That's what you need to be worried about.

The Chinese reverse engineer majority of this stuff as they know its working or will work very quickly, versus being creative and coming up with their own R&D. So yes, knowing that they stole it, they can probably start to produce it very quickly in numbers.

 

[danger007]

The J-31 is really a stolen tech (JSF) from the US. The Chinese have reverse engineered it like they do to the rest. Assuming it is 60% as capable as the real -35, it still beats all Indian air force 4th and 4.5th gen jets hands down and from a huge distance!! That's what you need to be worried about.

The Chinese reverse engineer majority of this stuff as they know its working or will work very quickly, versus being creative and coming up with their own R&D. So yes, knowing that they stole it, they can probably start to produce it very quickly in numbers.

so you are saying chinese are not capable of designing own jet???? even they stolen the tech... you are not talking about 4th gen jet...

 

[MilSpec]

The J-31 is really a stolen tech (JSF) from the US. The Chinese have reverse engineered it like they do to the rest. Assuming it is 60% as capable as the real -35, it still beats all Indian air force 4th and 4.5th gen jets hands down and from a huge distance!! That's what you need to be worried about.

The Chinese reverse engineer majority of this stuff as they know its working or will work very quickly, versus being creative and coming up with their own R&D. So yes, knowing that they stole it, they can probably start to produce it very quickly in numbers.

Dear sir,

Wouldn't you say that it is still too early to say... As the craft is Not deployed, no squadrons operational, no customers internal or external... but sure It beats IAF hands down...Brilliant Logic as expected from your eminence.

regards

 

[kaku1]

The J-31 is really a stolen tech (JSF) from the US. The Chinese have reverse engineered it like they do to the rest. Assuming it is 60% as capable as the real -35, it still beats all Indian air force 4th and 4.5th gen jets hands down and from a huge distance!! That's what you need to be worried about.

The Chinese reverse engineer majority of this stuff as they know its working or will work very quickly, versus being creative and coming up with their own R&D. So yes, knowing that they stole it, they can probably start to produce it very quickly in numbers.

WoW.

You have no idea in which world you living.

 

[MastanKhan]

so you are saying chinese are not capable of designing own jet???? even they stolen the tech... you are not talking about 4th gen jet...

Hi,

What a silly and a funny post at the same time----. Sir----in this formal and informal world----only india buys the technology---the blueprints and then starts to buildup on it for 15 years and then at the end decides---it is not worth it---let me go buy it----.

Once the round wheel exists---then what is the need to re-invent another round wheel. A perfect design is already available---so please explain----.

Dear sir,

Wouldn't you say that it is still too early to say... As the craft is Not deployed, no squadrons operational, no customers internal or external... but sure It beats IAF hands down...Brilliant Logic as expected from your eminence.

regards

Hi,

Simpletons not allowed here----. It does not work that way----. The engineers can look at a design----the ability and capability of the manufacturer's engineering and research infra structure and come up with a picture that can tell them what a certain item could do.

They don't need to wait for deployment.