Formal Offer for J-31 and also presention on J20

[Sipahi]

J31 will be modified like JF 17 ????

 

[Siddharth]

Hi,

Welcome to the board----. Sir----please do some more research on the specs before you make a fool of yourself---and please use some common sense as well.

Thanks Mastan Ji. I have quoted one example of so called Chinese jet. You can read about that. There are article of Chines media on PDF itself.

 

[Hell hound]

5th gen for old man yaar .

imran bhi kam ki chez ap nay apnay leay rakh li hay

Chinese 5th generation jets are hardly as potent as 3.5 generation Plane. Their so called hyped J 15 carries only 2 ton load which is half of the Mirage IV pakistan has. So buy the jets from any good source.

yeah even a single tejas can beat the shit out whole squadron of j 31 without even taking off

 

[Siddharth]

imran bhi kam ki chez ap nay apnay leay rakh li hay


yeah even a single tejas can beat the shit out whole squadron of j 31 without even taking off

Do not exaggerate. I did not say that. .

 

[tahir195]

J-20 J-20 J-20 We need that beast
FC-20is good but J-20 is the perfect answer for T-50 F-22 And any air superiority fighter

 

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistan Looking To Buy China's J-31 Stealth Fighter


Pakistan Looking To Buy China's J-31 Stealth Fighter

As I predicted since the very first blurry images of J-31 hit the internet, China's youngest stealth project was meant for export as much as for PLAAF use. Pakistan is now said to be beyond the initial discussion phase for buying the stealth jet. This comes during a time of increasing tension with India, whose air combat capabilities have ballooned over the last decade.

The Chinese-Pakistani arms trading relationship goes back many decades, and as relations with the US continue to chill, Pakistan is looking for a more stable supply source for its air combat needs. This is nothing new, in fact this happened fifty years ago after the Indo-Pakistan War of 1965, when the US placed an embargo in weapons sales to Pakistan. This resulted in Pakistan turning to China for combat aircraft, specifically, the Shenyang F-6, a clone of the Russian MiG-19. Since then the Pakistani Air Force has also fielded Q-5s and F-7s from China, of which the MiG-21 based F-7s are still are in use today. Although somewhat archaic in complexity, these Chinese aircraft have been fielded alongside American F-16s and French Mirages for decades.

The largest deviation into Chinese-based air combat procurement Pakistan has made in recent years was with its jointly developed JF-17 'Thunder' (known as FC-1 in China) light fighter. This nimble and reliable jet is now in its second design evolution as the improved JF-17 Block II, with a third evolution being fielded later this decade.
Pakistan has viewed this cooperative fighter jet program as a giant success, not just in value and enhanced combat capability, but in potential future exportability. Pakistan's Rana Tanveer Hussain, minister of defense production, states in an article from Dawn.com:
"We have nearly confirmed orders from seven countries for JF-17... The PAF has a requirement of 250 aircraft, but now we have decided that we'll sell some of the JF-17 Block-2 to international buyers besides fulfilling our local demand."

This may be a similar direction that Pakistan will attempt to head when it comes to the J-31, known in its export configuration as the JF-31. Both the JF-31 and the JF-17 share the same Russian Klimov RD93 engines (also found in the MiG-29), which presents certain sustainment and commonality synergies for the Pakistani Air Force. The JF-31 may also allow Pakistan to retire other aircraft and focus on it and the JF-17 for its future combat capability, presenting a relevant and sustainable high-low air combat capability mix.
Currently, the highest-end combat aircraft flown by the Pakistani Air Force are Block 52 F-16s, of which 18 were controversially delivered just a few years ago. Although these fighters are incredibly capable, they are also stringently controlled by US arms export rules and serviced by forward deployed contractors. Export control seals are said to be placed on many of the aircraft's most cutting edge components. Even trackers are rumored to be embedded in the jets that allow the US to monitor their whereabouts and if the US ever saw the jets being used for something it was totally against, there are rumors that they could be disabled in an instant and remotely. Just the US security contingent that is part of the F-16C/D Block 52 export contract is said to cost Pakistan some $30M a year.

Even if the rumors of exotic export control devices are not true, just pulling OEM support for the advanced F-16s could leave many of their most important sensors and systems useless within a very short period of time. Additionally, Pakistan already went through one F-16 embargo and it was not pretty, many of those aircraft, built at the tail-end of the F-16A/B production run, now fly with the Navy's Strike Fighter Weapons School, otherwise known as TOPGUN.
As for procuring the stealthy J-31, Jane's Defence quoted an unidentified Pakistani official as saying that the Pakistani Air Force was in talks with China to buy 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 stealth jets, which corroborates similar numbers and statements that have been floating around the defense community for months.

The biggest thing Pakistan would gain by fielding the JF-31 is a low-observable fighter aircraft that would make some strides at leveling the India-Pakistan air combat equation. India has procured throngs of advanced fighters in the last decade and half, including hundreds of thrust-vectoring Su-30MKIs and dozens of carrier-capable MiG-29Ks. Additionally, many older Indian fighters have been substantially upgraded with new avionics and cutting edge jamming system. The Indian Navy's young and potent MiG-29K fleet gives their long-awaited aircraft carrier,…

India did not stop there when it comes to increasing their air combat might. The Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract, which will see the French Dassault Rafale flying in Indian colors in coming years. This brings one of the West's most advanced fighters, with a high degree of sensor fusion, to the region, and the stealthy Russian-Indian PGFA fighter program also continues to evolve. That aircraft will be based on Russia's 5th generation stealthy fighter design, the Sukhoi T-50. Finally, India has its own JF-17 like program that is fairly mature, known as the 'Tejas" light combat aircraft. This is mostly indigenous design that is just beginning to be fielded now and will be both land and carrier capable.

What this all adds up to is a vast imbalance of future air combat capabilities between the two nuclear armed and constantly unfriendly neighbors. Fielding the JF-31 would be an attempt by Pakistan of forestalling India's rapidly increasing aerial dominance.

For China, Pakistan would give the J-31 a first export customer and would help offset some of its development costs. Developing two low observable fighters at a one time is not a cheap task, and partnering up for the J-31 could allow more funds to be funneled to the more impressive and strategically relevant J-20 program.
Strangely enough, Pakistan, the US and China's roads have crossed before when it comes to stealth technology. The tail of the stealth chopper that was used in the Bin Laden raid of 2011 was trucked from the site by Pakistani forces and China was given exclusive access to it before it was finally returned to the US at John Kerry's in person request. This was seen as a retaliation for America's unilateral and humiliating action against the Bin Laden compound, located deep in Pakistani territory.
It is a little more than ironic that some of the technology gleaned from that tail is likely embedded into the J-31. Just another reminder of the tightrope the US continues to walk in Pakistan and how for many countries, the international super-power alternative to the US is increasingly China.

 

[monitor]

PAF Chief has been given an extensive presentation on all major PLA programs including "transport" projects.

J31 was pitched as our next generation aircraft -

This will form the tip of the spear for the next couple of decades.

Many of the new breakthroughs will be incorporated into the Thunder block III.

It was likely to present to PAF and other potential customer but as the title said J-20 which i heard only for PLAAF . Its a good move i hope PAF will soon gets its hand on J-31.

 

[Hell hound]

Do not exaggerate. I did not say that. .

your post was implying that if j 31 is worse then 3.5 gen fighter it means mirage rose mig 21 bison and mig 23 can defeat it easily so it should be no better then 3 gen. now tejas according to indian here is better then m2k and is 4.5 gen fighter this means it should eat j31 alive without even burping as it is whole 1.5 gen advance then j31

 

[monitor]

 

[nomi007]

better to induct 5th fighters
add z-20
y-20
y-9
leave old junks

 

[Tipu7]

5th gen for old man yaar .

But 5th G is at least 7 years away that's where we need j10 if our thunder production line is not fast enough

sir would u plz tell us what benefit j10 will give us right now

AESA! If J10b and J16 will use similar engines then it can clear path for J16 too,for our navy in limited numbers

 

[Imran Khan]

But 5th G is at least 7 years away that's where we need j10 if our thunder production line is not fast enough



AESA! If J10b and J16 will use similar engines then it can clear path for J16 too,for our navy in limited numbers

no one buy fighter planes for 7 y ears sir its matter of 40 years

 

[nomi007]

air chief must to visit

cv-16 aircraft carrier

 

[black-hawk_101]

From the news it seems that J-10B and later J-10Cs will be arriving.

 

[TOPGUN]

Out standing news this was bound to happen and shall happen just wait and see...