Foreign Countries Blackmailing Iran

[Serpentine]

our basmati rice is world famous and fit for consumption the world over but somehow its 'poisonous' for iranians

if you don't want our rice , dont buy it

and please enlighten us what are the iranian exports that come into Pakistan in exchange for pakistani exports to iran ?

truth be told the only thing iran is exporting to Pakistan is unrest in Gawader and scetarian bs.

Most of the reported existence of Arsenic in the rice in Iran was from the imported Indian rice and India itself admitted it after sending a group to Iran to verify.


PressTV - Iran probes 'arsenic' rice imports


Don't take it personal dear, the rice polluted with Arsenic has been found in many productions of different countries. If the percentage of Arsenic or lead is higher than a specific number, it can be dangerous and have permanent damages.

And we never said all the rice imported from India or Pakistan were poisonous, but there were reports about some cargoes of rice contaminated with Arsenic, mostly from India. Pakistani rices were barely reported to have Arsenic or at least I couldn't find the links.

Here's an official in research team of agriculture in India's Punjab admitting the presence of Arsenic in some of the rices exported to Iran.Use Google translate:

رییس مرکز تحقیقات کشاورزی پنجاب هند در واکنش به محدودیت واردات برنج ایران به دلیل آلودگی آن به سم آرسنیک اذعان کرد، مناطق زیادی از پنجاب مرکز اصلی آرسنیک، کادمیوم و سایر فلزات است و اگر در این مناطق کشت و زرع صورت گیرد، بی شک محصولات تولیدی شامل این ترکیبات سمی خواهد بود.


در حالی که دولت ایران محدودیتها و ممنوعیتهایی را برای واردات برنج باسماتی هند در نظر گرفته است ، کشاورزان ایالت پنجاب به شدت نگران این مساله هستند.
چند روز پیش دولت ایران آزمایشهایی را بر روی برنج های وارداتی از ایالت پنجاب انجام داده است . گفته می شود میزان ارسنیک و کادمیوم در این برنجها بالاتر از حد استاندارد است . افزایش قیمت و رشد صادرات به ایران و سایر کشورها موجب شده تا کشاورزان سطح کشت برنج باسماتی را از 3.75 میلیون هکتار به بیش از 6.5 میلیون هکتار افزایش داده اند .
این گزارش افزود: اگر ایران میزان واردات برنج خود از هند را کاهش دهد ، کشاورزان هندی متحمل خسارات زیادی خواهند شد .
یک کشاورز هندی در این باره گفت ، ما از دولت می خواهیم تا برای این مشکل اساسی چاره اندیشی کند . ما نگران آن هستیم که برنج ما در بازار هند بدون خریدار بماند .
بر اساس این گزارش ، قیمت برنج باسماتی 1121 به شدت کاهش یافته و قیمت هر کیلوگرم از این نوع برنج از 110 به کمتر از 85 روپیه رسیده است . قیمت برنج سلا از 75 به 60 روپیه کاهش یافته است .
بهارواج رییس مرکز تحقیقات کشاورزی پنجاب در این باره گفت ، مناطق زیادی در پنجاب وجود دارد که مرکز اصلی ارسنیک ، کادمیوم و سایر فلزات است . اگر در این مناطق کشت و زرع صورت گیرد ، بی شک محصولات تولیدی شامل این ترکیبات سمی خواهد بود . ما از کشاورزان می خواهیم تا در این مناطق کشت نکنند.

How to Avoid Lead and Arsenic Exposure from Rice - The Daily Green

The most contaminated rice came from Taiwan and China. Rice from the Czech Republic, Bhutan, Italy, India and Thailand also had potentially harmful levels. The next step for the authors is to study lead levels in rice from Pakistan, Brazil and other countries.

Exposure to lead can cause permanent brain damage, and is particularly dangerous for pregnant women, who can pass on the heavy metal to their developing children, and to children under the age of six. A test prescribed by your doctor or pediatrician can tell you how much lead is circulating in your blood, and while the federal action limit for children is set at 5 micrograms per deciliter, experts warn that no amount of lead can be considered safe. The most common way to be exposed to lead remains old paint in homes built before 1978, and to household and neighborhood dust, which often is contaminated with lead residue deposited before lead was removed from gasoline.

And btw, yes, we are exporting oil, electricity and soon, gas to Pakistan to destabilize Gwadar and Pakistan.

Instead of going on offensive and distorting the facts, if you think someone is telling something wrong, try to disprove it with facts, not going emotional.

Anyway, Iran has stopped importing those polluted rices from India and other countries, and also Iran's imports of rice from Pakistan decreased by 80% in last year due to sanctions I think.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

There is no single day passes without reading about low-quality Chinese products pouring into country and endangering Iranian lives, especially Iranian patients!

The thing with Chinese goods is, "You get what you pay for". We manufacture everything from high end to low end.

For example, all the high end consumer electronics in the world (smartphones/laptops/HDTV's/etc.) are all either made in China or have components from China.

What usually happens is, the middle men actually order the lowest end products they can find, then pass them off as normal goods and re-sell them. And they pocket the difference.

The best way to avoid this is to stick with reliable brands, and buy from official stores and sources. That way you won't be conned by middle men, and you'll get the product you paid for.

Lower costs don't come for free, there is always some trade-off. It is up to the buyer to decide whether the trade-off is acceptable to them.

Every country in the world uses Chinese products, including those countries in the West that you favor over us. Nobody is forced to trade, if they think the deal is unfair they will stop it.

 

[Abii]

Instead of "kososher" & "negho pegh kardan," grow the hell up and realize how the world works. Chinese-dragon basically hit the nail on the head so I won't go any further.

China was actually doing the same thing as Iran for decades until its leaders grew the fuu up and started thinking about China and the nation instead of a set of illogical, irrational and idiotic ideological fantasies that did nothing but harm China. Unfortunately our arab leaders don't have the mental capacity to implement wholesale reforms like what Chinese leaders did in China a few decades back.

The ball is in Iran's court, you need to decide if you want to play ball or act like a bunch of braindead 6th century malakh khors.

 

[Esfand]

Instead of "kososher" & "negho pegh kardan," grow the hell up and realize how the world works. Chinese-dragon basically hit the nail on the head so I won't go any further.

China was actually doing the same thing as Iran for decades until its leaders grew the fuu up and started thinking about China and the nation instead of a set of illogical, irrational and idiotic ideological fantasies that did nothing but harm China. Unfortunately our arab leaders don't have the mental capacity to implement wholesale reforms like what Chinese leaders did in China a few decades back.

The ball is in Iran's court, you need to decide if you want to play ball or act like a bunch of braindead 6th century malakh khors.

Can you elaborate a little on this? I'd really like to compare this to the response given by @S00R3NA

 

[iranigirl2]

self delete!

 

[Abii]

Can you elaborate a little on this? I'd really like to compare this to the response given by @S00R3NA

Re. reforms in China?

As you probably know, China introduced mass reforms in late 70's and early 80's. Deng Xiaoping led the reforms and said the following famous line: "It doesn't matter whether it's a white cat or a black, I think; a cat that catches mice is a good cat."

That quote shows how smart the man was and what has happened in China ever since can be summarized with that quote.

Chinese economic reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Re. reforms in China?

As you probably know, China introduced mass reforms in late 70's and early 80's. Deng Xiaoping led the reforms and said the following famous line: "It doesn't matter whether it's a white cat or a black, I think; a cat that catches mice is a good cat."

That quote shows how smart the man was and what has happened in China ever since can be summarized with that quote.

Chinese economic reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's right. Extreme ideologies were destroying our country, as seen in the Cultural Revolution just a few years before our reforms.

Now, instead of focusing on ideology, we focus on "pragmatism". We focus on what is practical and realistic, as summed up by the quote you posted above.

That is how Deng Xiaoping saved China's economy, and brought us to the point where we might in 10 years be able to challenge the US in terms of economic power. Otherwise we may have ended up in another Chinese civil war.

 

[Serpentine]

The thing with Chinese goods is, "You get what you pay for". We manufacture everything from high end to low end.

For example, all the high end consumer electronics in the world (smartphones/laptops/HDTV's/etc.) are all either made in China or have components from China.

What usually happens is, the middle men actually order the lowest end products they can find, then pass them off as normal goods and re-sell them. And they pocket the difference.

The best way to avoid this is to stick with reliable brands, and buy from official stores and sources. That way you won't be conned by middle men, and you'll get the product you paid for.

Lower costs don't come for free, there is always some trade-off. It is up to the buyer to decide whether the trade-off is acceptable to them.

Every country in the world uses Chinese products, including those countries in the West that you favor over us. Nobody is forced to trade, if they think the deal is unfair they will stop it.

I agree, China can not be blamed for cheap products, you can find cheap Chinese products all over the world, not just Iran and it's a fact. We should blame those greedy SoBs who as you mentioned, import cheap products and sell them as normal products.

 

[Abii]

I agree, China can not be blamed for cheap products, you can find cheap Chinese products all over the world, not just Iran and it's a fact. We should blame those greedy SoBs who as you mentioned, import cheap products and sell them as normal products.

True.

Also China makes products for all types of markets. They target developing markets as well as the developed. I have a Chinese watch made of carbon fiber that's top notch. I bought my wallet a couple of years ago from a Chinese site for 60 dollars and it was half off from 120 dollars! On the other hand you can find a chinese wallet that costs less than a dollar.

It's not China's fault that developing countries can't afford the expensive quality products. It's also not their fault that our arab leaders care more about syria, Iraq, felestin etc... than Iran. They're tazis, they will care more about their tazi brothers naturally.

Anybody who criticizes China instead of our tazi leaders needs to check his head.

 

[Sam1980]

True.

Also China makes products for all types of markets. They target developing markets as well as the developed. I have a Chinese watch made of carbon fiber that's top notch. I bought my wallet a couple of years ago from a Chinese site for 60 dollars and it was half off from 120 dollars! On the other hand you can find a chinese wallet that costs less than a dollar.

It's not China's fault that developing countries can't afford the expensive quality products. It's also not their fault that our arab leaders care more about syria, Iraq, felestin etc... than Iran. They're tazis, they will care more about their tazi brothers naturally.

Anybody who criticizes China instead of our tazi leaders needs to check his head.

I will have to respectfully disagree, you are missing the point here, Abi.
The problem is that Chinese government doesn't allow purchase of high-quality Chinese products in exchange for Iranian oil, they're forcing Iran to buy products from low-quality vendors instead.

They know that customers are available for high-quality Chinese goods, but they're looking for market for their low-quality products.

I don't know how can I be criticized for stating the reality?

If only Chinese members knew how many people HOWO trucks killed alone, they would be amazed!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I will have to respectfully disagree, you are missing the point here, Abi.
The problem is that Chinese government doesn't allow purchase of high-quality Chinese products in exchange for Iranian oil, they're forcing Iran to buy products from low-quality vendors instead.

Do you have any evidence for this claim?

Or is it just your word?

It makes no sense that we would limit a country to only buying high-end or low-end products, but not both.

It makes no sense at all, from any perspective. Then we would make less money and our products would get a bad reputation, hence lower demand for future sales. Less money for us all around.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Then they should have gone with this one, lol

These crappy minded people like Jalili are partly responsible for todays situation in Iran. My respect for him doesnt go further than him being wounded in war, just like 100000s of others and at least 500000 martyrs.

Loosing one leg in war or being relatives of the Ruling elite means for some mismanaging the country without any fear. However they fucked up and as their friend Assad said, the era of islamism is finished. Supporting Shia or any other opressed people doesnt need a theocracy.

We gave at least 500000 martyrs and have/had the same amount "Janbaz"/wounded. But most of them are just normal people, some of them even poor.

 

[Sam1980]

Do you have any evidence for this claim?

Or is it just your word?

It makes no sense at all, from any perspective. Then we would make less money and our products would get a bad reputation, hence lower demand for future sales. Less money for us all around.

I have evidence, however they're in Persian. I could provide you with more than 1000 links for HOWO trucks alone.

همشهری آنلاین: شاکیان هوو پول می*گیرند
پاسخ ایران خودرو دیزل :تمام خسارات کامیون داران هوو را پرداخت کرده ایم
عکس کشنده های ایرانی - تفاوت های کامیون های «فراز» و «هوو»

I really wish them to be baseless claims. Unfortunately its the reality. Its not the case with China alone by the way, I have nothing against China or any other country for that matter. As I said 3 times by now (in this thread alone), its Ahmadinejad's fault that Iran is so isolated today and that isolation led to these kind of problems. My audience for this thread were meant to be Iranians also! But of course we welcome anyone to join in.

It makes no sense that we would limit a country to only buying high-end or low-end products, but not both.

Iran market has shrank because of sanctions, to the point that is no longer a significant market, on the other hand, Iran has tens of billions of dollars blocked in China and this is a good opportunity for the Chinese government to strengthen its less developed industrial sectors. China very well knows Iran needs to trade-off by buying goods from China and it also knows that sanctions won't go away for at least next 2 to 5 years (that is if Iran and U.S. start agreeing on things!). So why not milk the cow while they still can?

Discounted oil in exchange for low-quality products seems to be a good deal for them.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I have evidence, however they're in Persian. I could provide you with more than 1000 links for HOWO trucks alone.

همشهری آنلاین: شاکیان هوو پول می*گیرند
پاسخ ایران خودرو دیزل :تمام خسارات کامیون داران هوو را پرداخت کرده ایم
عکس کشنده های ایرانی - تفاوت های کامیون های «فراز» و «هوو»

I really wish them to be baseless claims. Unfortunately its the reality. Its not the case with China alone by the way, I have nothing against China or any other country for that matter. As I said 3 times by now (in this thread alone), its Ahmadinejad's fault that Iran is so isolated today and that isolation led to these kind of problems. My audience for this thread were meant to be Iranians also! But of course we welcome anyone to join in.

I'm not sure how a Persian blog can "confirm" a Chinese government policy that you claim exists?

I used translation software on the links you gave, and not one of them even mentioned China. Let alone anything to do with any Chinese government policy.

The problem is that Chinese government doesn't allow purchase of high-quality Chinese products in exchange for Iranian oil, they're forcing Iran to buy products from low-quality vendors instead.

@Serpentine can you weigh in on this.

How does it make sense that the Chinese government would have a policy not to sell anything high-end to Iran? Are you telling me there are no high-end consumer electronics in Iran at all?

Money is money, and high-end products provide significantly better profit margins. It just makes no sense.

 

[Takaavar]

I have evidence, however they're in Persian. I could provide you with more than 1000 links for HOWO trucks alone.

همشهری آنلاین: شاکیان هوو پول می*گیرند
پاسخ ایران خودرو دیزل :تمام خسارات کامیون داران هوو را پرداخت کرده ایم
عکس کشنده های ایرانی - تفاوت های کامیون های «فراز» و «هوو»

There was nothing about the claim that the Chinese don't allow purchase of high-quality products. Anyway, you're wrong, If you want to see whose fault is this, read this interview with the person who is in charge of the Iran-China section of Ministry of Commerce of Iran (one of the questions of the interviewer is exacty about what you talked about, that why we are importing only low-quality Chinese products): بزرگترین تجار ایرانی که با چین فعالیت می کنند/نایب رییس اتاق ایران و چین:کالاهای چینی را به اسم اروپایی می فروشند
Actually I remember a news (several years ago though) that some Chinese authorities were complaining Iranian market which is full of only low-quality Chinese products and has ruined the reputation of Chinese products.