For the naive and self-blinded....

[third eye]

That is a harsh comparison. The circumstances, the purpose and the perpetrators were all different. Polarising against Sikhs would not give you votes, as opposed to Muslims.

Its isnt about polarising one or another.

The bottom line is what are the options to India ? Do we go back to the UPA and have a repeat of the last ten years or go for a 3rd front ?

The worst part of a Plan B for the nation is that we have no Plan B

Under the circumstances we shall have to go for the best among the worst options available. If they do not perform they too shall have to go. Thats what democracy is all about.

 

[Kloitra]

Its isnt about polarising one or another.

The bottom line is what are the options to India ? Do we go back to the UPA and have a repeat of the last ten years or go for a 3rd front ?

The worst part of a Plan B for the nation is that we have no Plan B

Under the circumstances we shall have to go for the best among the worst options available. If they do not perform they too shall have to go. Thats what democracy is all about.

I meant about comparing 84' to 02'.

 

[bronxbull]

we have a lot of hate on the street,one section is funded from outside and the other section from inside.

People try to talk to the inside gang because the outside gang wont listen,

nowadays the inside gang also will not listen.

 

[dray]

bangali intellectual nehle hote hain,koi pride nahi hain andar.

What pride? What is so glorious about riots that Bengali intellectuals have to feel proud about it? Were Bengali intellectuals "nehle the, koi pride nahi tha andar" when they stood up so fiercely for the freedom of India? You have no idea about what we should be proud of and what we should not be. Keep your racist mindset out of this thread.

Secularism is a tertiary issue and Bengal's poor economic performance and image as a lazy commie shithole is a very valid thing as Calcutta was the prominent hub of East India and the failure of Calcutta goes in sync with the backwardness of East India.

Is it the wrong economy policies or the secularism that led to Bengal's poor economic performance? Will rabid Hindutva and a couple of riots solve the economic problems of Bengal? How are you relating these two things? With all their flaws, CPM was not overtly into religion based politics. Yes, Calcutta was a prominent hub of East India and the fall of Calcutta from its glorious days is also linked to Calcutta's deep involvement in the freedom movement of India that led to shifting of the Capital of India to Delhi. And today VHPwallas are coming to teach Bengalis about pride, what contribution they have made to the country so far?

 

[bronxbull]

now please dont use the freedom fighters of 1947 including netaji to get support for the 2 taka intellectual hanging around delhi these days including journalists and other kind of morons offering their shallow wisdom to the world.

 

[Joe Shearer]

now please dont use the freedom fighters of 1947 including netaji to get support for the 2 taka intellectual hanging around delhi these days including journalists and other kind of morons offering their shallow wisdom to the world.

....and look who's talking.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In a self respecting country Narendra Modi should have been hanged many times over for being such a controversial political figure. His autocratic methods is combined with his personal leadership in mass organized murder of thousands of innocent Muslims.

His regime also is totally involved in the most number of encounters of innocent Muslims. Even though some Muslims have been wooed by the economic progress that has happened in the State, it does not hide the fact that most Muslims have been treated like third class citizens in the Republic of Gujarat. Even today Muslims there are treated as pests, not allowed to eat beef and not even allowed to burn trains.

I also agree wholeheartedly with the assertion of the author in the OP's article. Our judiciary is not only imperfect, but also biased and Hindutva minded. I mean why was no Hindu arrested after terrorist strikes? We know terror has no religion, so by that logic why are only Muslims arrested for such crimes? The nation wants to know.

The bottom line is that the superiority and dignity of a legal system in our country should not be marked based on what we call the impartial rule of Law, not on legalizing homosexuality or recognizing the third sex - but on finding Hindutva fanatics of this country guilty of crimes against humanity. Only then can the judiciary shed the Hindutva baggage it has been carrying on its shoulders since independence. There are ample examples in front of us. As honourable Member of Parliament, Asad-ud-din Owaisi states, we should go shoulder to shoulder with the Dalits, bahujans, Muslims and other minorities and fight against discrimination against Muslims, (innocent or otherwise).

 

[bronxbull]

....and look who's talking.

i can't fight you word for word,you are the master of selling delusions.

But when the camera turns away from the celluloid towards reality,we get to see who's who and what do they do?

What pride? What is so glorious about riots that Bengali intellectuals have to feel proud about it? Were Bengali intellectuals "nehle the, koi pride nahi tha andar" when they stood up so fiercely for the freedom of India? You have no idea about what we should be proud of and what we should not be. Keep your racist mindset out of this thread.



Is it the wrong economy policies or the secularism that led to Bengal's poor economic performance? Will rabid Hindutva and a couple of riots solve the economic problems of Bengal? How are you relating these two things? With all their flaws, CPM was not overtly into religion based politics. Yes, Calcutta was a prominent hub of East India and the fall of Calcutta from its glorious days is also linked to Calcutta's deep involvement in the freedom movement of India that led to shifting of the Capital of India to Delhi. And today VHPwallas are coming to teach Bengalis about pride, what contribution they have made to the country so far?

VHP wallahs come to teach you pride because your intelligentsia needs basic lessons.

CPM and all leftist rags are completely into minority appeasement,it is their bread and butter.

If Caste problems stop plaguing hindu society and hindutva is able to unite castes and remove inequality and eocnomic problems between them,then the whole relevance of CPM ll fall and the bandits ll get disbanded.

The issue is same in the two marxist shitholes of India,Bengal & Kerala.

All these intellectuals are after medals of secularism instead of making the right choice,they try to do global optimization before local optimization.

There is no point trying to climb mt.everest before even trying to trek the local creek.

This is why such intellectuals ll always be mere ghulam of a larger establishement and its propoganda and this is why even a emotional right wing VHP has more value than these guys because they react to the immediate problems instantaneously.

 

[third eye]

I find it strange to read so much hype on Modi being a candidate for the top job. At the cost of repeating myself I'd like to bring out that I am not a die hard Modi fan. I am a die hard India fan though.

BJP/ NDA is no where near having won a majority. At best it will be touch and go affair so the race is wide open even now.People are trying to create a hype & perception against him so as to sway the minds of voters.

Lets see this , Sanjay Gandhi razed Turkman Gate and many other Muslim dominant localities in Old Delhi, countless were forcibly sterilised too. The Congress in my opinion is guilty of what happened in 84 too.

BJP & Modi is to account for 2002.

In my mind all parties are the same, they have no morals, no POV other than self fulfilment . This applies to AAP as well.

So, where do we go from here ? The nation has to run, it needs strong resolute leadership. What options do we have ?

I for one am not comfortable with the Congress & Rahul. This leaves an option of the 3rd front , which is worse and shall be endemically unstable and ridden with infighting.

Give Modi & BJP a chance. In any case the BJP by itself shall never reach the magic figure of majority & delhi. It shall be the NDA again. There will be pressure from the allies, senior leaders and the masses. Did the last NDA erect the temple ? ..No because they did not have the majority to do so. This time too they will have to be rational because the nation & the world will be watching them. Futhermore , if they do not perform this time they will perish as a party.

Its a question of choosing between the lesser of the 3 evils.

Can SP, DMK, AIDMK, TMC, BJD, JD(U) or any other make a govt at the center ? I would gladly vote for any of them if they stood a chance. If its going to be through horse trading then why not the NDA ?

 

[bronxbull]

The lucknow high court has given a judgement on this issue and the next level hearing will be at the supreme court,

kashi n mathura to follow.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

i can't fight you word for word,you are the master of selling delusions.

But when the camera turns away from the celluloid towards reality,we get to see who's who and what do they do?



VHP wallahs come to teach you pride because your intelligentsia needs basic lessons.

CPM and all leftist rags are completely into minority appeasement,it is their bread and butter.

If Caste problems stop plaguing hindu society and hindutva is able to unite castes and remove inequality and eocnomic problems between them,then the whole relevance of CPM ll fall and the bandits ll get disbanded.

The issue is same in the two marxist shitholes of India,Bengal & Kerala.

All these intellectuals are after medals of secularism instead of making the right choice,they try to do global optimization before local optimization.

There is no point trying to climb mt.everest before even trying to trek the local creek.

This is why such intellectuals ll always be mere ghulam of a larger establishement and its propoganda and this is why even a emotional right wing VHP has more value than these guys because they react to the immediate problems instantaneously.

1. All VHP wallas are illiterate goons - just like terrorists of Shivaji.

2. There is no minority appeasement in our country. Then why would Afzal Guru be hanged? It's called secularism. But a communal Hindu(typical) like you will not get it unfortunately.

3. Hindu society is institutionally divided. Besides, lower castes do not belong to the Brahmanical order. They are 'lesser Hindus'. Their salvation lies with fighting with their Muslim brethren. The oppression of the Brahmanical GoI needs to be nipped in the bud.

4. Bengal and Kerala are first world places when compared to (say) Gujarat. There is a saying - what Bengal thinks today, India thinks tomorrow. There is nothing similar for Gujarat. See?

You are a rabidly communal Hindu and you have no place in secular India.

Give Modi & BJP a chance.

And compromise with our most important asset - secularism?

Bharatiyata as Sonia Gandhi said is under threat. We should strive to protect it. We can do with one meal a day if need be, but we can not compromise on secular rule(Congress rule). Hindu parties should be thrown into the gutter where they truly belong.

The lucknow high court has given a judgement on this issue and the next level hearing will be at the supreme court,

kashi n mathura to follow.

Our courts are biased and beside as the main article states clearly - our political judgement should be not clouded by judicial pronouncements. For example, if the Court states Modi is not guilty we should discount that and consider the courts anti Muslim. Only if the Court states Modi is guilty and considers the lack of evidence to be evidence will it be able to claim to be the champion of secular thought in India. Otherwise not.

@Indischer @INDIC @jarves @levina Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@Joe Shearer what's the point? As @Prometheus pointed out in his expert capacity as a medical professional- No cure for Namonia has been discovered yet.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@Joe Shearer what's the point? As @Prometheus pointed out in his expert capacity as a medical professional- No cure for Namonia has been discovered yet.

The issue is not Namonia. Modi is just symbolic. The rise of Hindu-ness is alarming and should be eliminated to protect this nation. I can elaborate and explain the problem that I am talking about.

@bronxbull - Regarding caste, less said the better. The only way a low caste person in India can evade discrimination is to get the escape velocity of Jupiter. You should know that. Even though the RSS is a strongly anti caste organization, we should understand that it only pretends to be so. Many intellectuals have successfully read the minds of RSS stalwarts and understood their anti Dalit stance. So stop your hate and if you care about equality, stop being a Hindu.

As Sri Aurobindo said, to protect this secular fabric, "Hindus should give up their culture." http://www.sriaurobindoashram.com/Content.aspx?ContentURL=/_StaticContent/Sriaurobindoashram/-09 E-Library/-03 Disciples/A B Purani/Evening Talks with Sri Aurobindo/Third Series/-49_30th December 1939.htm

 

[dray]

VHP wallahs come to teach you pride because your intelligentsia needs basic lessons.

And what is that basic lesson? How to raid restaurants & pubs during valentine's day and beat up people?

CPM and all leftist rags are completely into minority appeasement,it is their bread and butter.
If Caste problems stop plaguing hindu society and hindutva is able to unite castes and remove inequality and eocnomic problems between them,then the whole relevance of CPM ll fall and the bandits ll get disbanded.

Oh the irony! Caste system and caste based discrimination & inequality is the creation of Hinduism itself, and many people left Hinduism and converted to other religions just to save themselves from the caste based extreme discrimination & inequality, this is happening even today in many places. Are you saying that Hindutva will embrace & unite all Hindus including those who are still considered untouchables under its doctrines? Check again, caste based discrimination is more prevalent specifically in VHP strongholds.

The issue is same in the two marxist shitholes of India,Bengal & Kerala.
All these intellectuals are after medals of secularism instead of making the right choice,they try to do global optimization before local optimization.
There is no point trying to climb mt.everest before even trying to trek the local creek.
This is why such intellectuals ll always be mere ghulam of a larger establishement and its propoganda and this is why even a emotional right wing VHP has more value than these guys because they react to the immediate problems instantaneously.

And what is that right choice? How VHP is adding value to India?

 

[Joe Shearer]

In a self respecting country Narendra Modi should have been hanged many times over for being such a controversial political figure. His autocratic methods is combined with his personal leadership in mass organized murder of thousands of innocent Muslims.

His regime also is totally involved in the most number of encounters of innocent Muslims. Even though some Muslims have been wooed by the economic progress that has happened in the State, it does not hide the fact that most Muslims have been treated like third class citizens in the Republic of Gujarat. Even today Muslims there are treated as pests, not allowed to eat beef and not even allowed to burn trains.

I also agree wholeheartedly with the assertion of the author in the OP's article. Our judiciary is not only imperfect, but also biased and Hindutva minded. I mean why was no Hindu arrested after terrorist strikes? We know terror has no religion, so by that logic why are only Muslims arrested for such crimes? The nation wants to know.

The bottom line is that the superiority and dignity of a legal system in our country should not be marked based on what we call the impartial rule of Law, not on legalizing homosexuality or recognizing the third sex - but on finding Hindutva fanatics of this country guilty of crimes against humanity. Only then can the judiciary shed the Hindutva baggage it has been carrying on its shoulders since independence. There are ample examples in front of us. As honourable Member of Parliament, Asad-ud-din Owaisi states, we should go shoulder to shoulder with the Dalits, bahujans, Muslims and other minorities and fight against discrimination against Muslims, (innocent or otherwise).

Ah, what brilliant satire!

There is nothing as pathetic as an intellect without a moral anchor, devoted to the furtherance of a mean and ignoble sectarian objective.