Food items bulk import at Gwadar for Afghanistan okayed

[adelphi]

there is more afgan fault than Pakistan.

And they are paying the bigger price than us. But it's not about who is on fault or not. It's about protecting ones interest and we made some strategic blunders and paid heavy price in terms of men, material & influence. Our Afghan policy was a disaster which brought us no dividends.

 

[The Accountant]

90s policy wasnt a mistake at all. Infact it was the most successful policy.

We got strategic depth in Afghanistan. In 80s we were fighting both in west and east whereas in 90s we turned the table and our western borders were secured.

It was 9/11 response that hurt us. Musharaf gave everything to US without securing interests of Pakistan. We let them kill Afghans and as a result lost of our allies.

So do we. Pakistan needs not to repeat the mistakes of 90s in Afghanistan after US withdrawal.

 

[Shapur]

It'a a real scandal that Afghanistan has so much arable land and plenty of water but is not self sufficient. Afghanistan's population is only around 35 million. We should be exporting food rather than importing. It's all because of corruption at every level.

 

[The Accountant]

It'a a real scandal that Afghanistan has so much arable land and plenty of water but is not self sufficient. Afghanistan's population is only around 35 million. We should be exporting food rather than importing. It's all because of corruption at every level.

It'a a real scandal that Afghanistan has so much arable land and plenty of water but is not self sufficient. Afghanistan's population is only around 35 million. We should be exporting food rather than importing. It's all because of corruption at every level.

Good that you are blaming corruption for your problem rather than Pakistan.

I hope that someday you guys got some honest leadership which help you guys prosper.

 

[Mugen]

Good that you are blaming corruption for your problem rather than Pakistan.

I hope that someday you guys got some honest leadership which help you guys prosper.

They suffer from the same problem as us. I wish the both of us could improve our country and get along with each other.

Edit: What irks me the most is why have some Afghans let the Indian influence spread and have hatred for Pakistan when we share borders. We have to live together, there is no choice and we must learn to do it instead of letting a 3rd party (India) cause a rift between us.

 

[adelphi]

90s policy wasnt a mistake at all. Infact it was the most successful policy.

We got strategic depth in Afghanistan. In 80s we were fighting both in west and east whereas in 90s we turned the table and our western borders were secured.

It was 9/11 response that hurt us. Musharaf gave everything to US without securing interests of Pakistan. We let them kill Afghans and as a result lost of our allies.

I don't completely agree with this. We let Russia leave Afghanistan in a haste, which created a power vacuum that we were unable to control. With no more western interest we were left alone to clean up the mess. As a result fighting between warlords continued and we had to become a party fighting for influence with regional countries such as Iran etc. We might had upper hand in Afghanistan but it was not fully pacified, assets were moved to stir up Kashmir which took a lot of strain on resources. You never start a new job until old one is finished. We had become a security state than an economic one. Add civilian corruption on top of it which acted as a catalyst for our economic downfall in 90s. We never secured our western borders and this one bite us big time. We should have secured our fences when our western neighbourhood was on fire.
I fully agree with you on post 911 strategy. Pakistan's interest was not looked after, perhaps Musharraf needed legitimacy and acceptance which he got out of it. He failed to isolate Pakistan from the affects of war on terrorism.
90s was the decade where India overtook us to become an economic & IT hub. I remember Cisco was interested in moving to Pakistani Hyderabad when Microsoft decided to move to Indian city of Hyderabad. But due to Mr.10% they ended up in Bangalore. We had very few leaders who were truely visionary or who put national interest ahead of personal interests.

 

[The Accountant]

I don't completely agree with this. We let Russia leave Afghanistan in a haste, which created a power vacuum that we were unable to control. With no more western interest we were left alone to clean up the mess. As a result fighting between warlords continued and we had to become a party fighting for influence with regional countries such as Iran etc. We might had upper hand in Afghanistan but it was not fully pacified, assets were moved to stir up Kashmir which took a lot of strain on resources. You never start a new job until old one is finished. We had become a security state than an economic one. Add civilian corruption on top of it which acted as a catalyst for our economic downfall in 90s. We never secured our western borders and this one bite us big time. We should have secured our fences when our western neighbourhood was on fire.
I fully agree with you on post 911 strategy. Pakistan's interest was not looked after, perhaps Musharraf needed legitimacy and acceptance which he got out of it. He failed to isolate Pakistan from the affects of war on terrorism.
90s was the decade where India overtook us to become an economic & IT hub. I remember Cisco was interested in moving to Pakistani Hyderabad when Microsoft decided to move to Indian city of Hyderabad. But due to Mr.10% they ended up in Bangalore. We had very few leaders who were truely visionary or who put national interest ahead of personal interests.

All of these are your opinion little backed by fact. For example we let russia left afghanistan. No the fact is we make them to leave as their next target was Pakistan.

Anyways u r entitle to your opinion and i respect that. Lets agree to disagree

 

[El Sidd]

They suffer from the same problem as us. I wish the both of us could improve our country and get along with each other.

Edit: What irks me the most is why have some Afghans let the Indian influence spread and have hatred for Pakistan when we share borders. We have to live together, there is no choice and we must learn to do it instead of letting a 3rd party (India) cause a rift between us.

but what about pandemic spread from this transport of goods and people?

or is it just spreading from the mosques?

jawab chaiye logical Mugen. no mucking about

 

[jericho]

You are a bum who trolls most of the time, i know you wont reply to this without including nonsense but did you ask this question to the government of your adopted country? I dont think so

but what about pandemic spread from this transport of goods and people?

Earlier in the day, Mr. Trudeau said blocking trade to Canada could “end up hurting Americans as much as it hurts anybody else.”

“The level of integration between our economies goes both ways across the border," he said. "We are receiving essential supplies from the United States, but the United States also receives essential supplies and products – and indeed, health-care professionals – from Canada every single day. It would be a mistake to create blockages or reduce the amount of back-and-forth trade in essential goods and services, including medical goods, across our border.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...estricting-the-trade-of-essential-goods-into/

or is it just spreading from the mosques?

When governments closed non-essential services and limited gatherings, faith organisations moved quickly, closing most churches, mosques and gurdwaras to visitors, and launching online portals or live-streams.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...s-find-ways-safely-serve-200422122111305.html

 

[adelphi]

All of these are your opinion little backed by fact. For example we let russia left afghanistan. No the fact is we make them to leave as their next target was Pakistan

I was referring to Geneva accord 1988. Soviet Dream of reaching warm waters was almost over by 1985. Anyways let's not derail the thread.

 

[El Sidd]

You are a bum who trolls most of the time, i know you wont reply to this without including nonsense but did you ask this question to the government of your adopted country? I dont think so

Do you know the procedures in place at trade transit points in Canada? Or the SOPs to have goods disinfected?

What are the SOPs in place for the truck drivers? India was called a ticking HIV bomb due to lucrative lorry driving business.

Now tell us about the land locked country of adopted Uzbekistan? How is Tahir Yoldashevs charity organisation helping in these times?

 

[jericho]

Do you know the procedures in place at trade transit points in Canada? Or the SOPs to have goods disinfected?

What are the SOPs in place for the truck drivers? India was called a ticking HIV bomb due to lucrative lorry driving business.

Now tell us about the land locked country of adopted Uzbekistan? How is Tahir Yoldashevs charity organisation helping in these times?

So now you are talking about procedures and SOPs when before this you complained about mosque closures in Pakistan and tried link it with transport of goods

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This would really help our situation if it comes to be. Ideally, we need to form a EU type setup with our neighbours to the west, north and south.

Why just EU type setup? We are heading at a very rapid pace to complete merger of both countries. Let Taliban come fully in Afghanistan, you will see how close we become. Borders can be opened fully again. It is good for Pakistan also, we need some Islamization.

90s policy wasnt a mistake at all. Infact it was the most successful policy.

We got strategic depth in Afghanistan. In 80s we were fighting both in west and east whereas in 90s we turned the table and our western borders were secured.

It was 9/11 response that hurt us. Musharaf gave everything to US without securing interests of Pakistan. We let them kill Afghans and as a result lost of our allies.

I agree with you on this.

 

[El Sidd]

So now you are talking about procedures and SOPs when before this you complained about mosque closures in Pakistan and tried link it with transport of goods

Mosques formulated 20 point SOP as well in Pakistan.

I am pretty sure you question the trade route SOPs as well so diligently

 

[jericho]

Let Taliban come fully in Afghanistan, you will see how close we become

The current government there is a headache but if the above happens it will not look good for Pakistan's international image either. In Musharraf book (if i remember correctly) the reason we got involved in the war was because we were the only country at that time who could communicate with them

It is good for Pakistan also, we need some Islamization.

I disagree

Mosques formulated 20 point SOP as well in Pakistan.

I am pretty sure you question the trade route SOPs as well so diligently

Why don't you suggest and ask for places of worship in Canada to open and follow the same 20 point SOP? I know you wont. You just want chaos in Pakistan.