Focus China: Strike corps plan back on drawing board

[UKBengali]

Not in strength but in numbers of unproven, over-rated combat systems operated by an army that does not have any real experience of fighting a war.

LOL.

China fought and stalemated the most technologically advanced military in Korea.

The one Indian victory was against another 3rd world country in civil war in 1971.

LOL.

 

[Sashan]

What The Indian navy needs to worry about is that Kilo type subs may pass through the malaca straits and distroy naval bases. Does IN has advance ASW system and Anti Missle weapons to prevent Hapoon like ASM hitting there tarhet.

*their target

Mate - here is my compilation on the anti-submarine capabilities of Indian Navy but would edit it as my work is unfinished.

Fellow members - correct me or chip in.

Current capabilities
SH-3 seaking helicopter- 6
Westland Sea king helicopter - 14
Kamov ka-28 helicopter - 10
Tupolev 142M - not sure about quantity
Talwar class ships - 3 - armed with RPK-8



Future or ordered placed
Boeing P-8I neptune - 12
six MRMR aircraft
ASW helicopters - 20
More AgustaWestland, EADS and Sikorsky armed with torpedoes and capable of inflight refueling - 60

 

[UKBengali]

India is being Under Estimated here. India has been able to bridge the gap in almost every field related to Military sciences. The Armed forces preparedness has increased many folds. The Joint operational command has also increased our chances in an Amphibious terrain.

India has over come Technological Barriers, Logistical Barriers, Mobility barriers. India is indeed a force to recon with. Nuclear weapon is not a child's play and India has a policy of no first use, it is why India is being accused of an Arms race instead.

You name major military fields where china and India share a big gap. It is not an open challenge, but an opportunity for myself to learn.

Looking into and speculating about individual weapons and their numbers will get no-one anywhere.

It is all about GDP.

China's GDP looks like it will grow quicker for the forseeable future.

This will allow China to produce even more of a partcular weapon than India can purchase.

Simply, India has no answer to the much more superior Chinese economy.

 

[Ambitious.Asian]

India has no military options vis-a-vis China apart from the suicidal use of nuclear weapons.

US > China >> India.

The Chinese are actually closer to the US in overall strength than the Indians are to the Chinese.

This relative Chinese power advantage will only increase in the next 2 decades.

The "Overall cHINEESE pOWER"

Don't expect any help from India...if china attacks BD...........Sadly,1971 HELP OF INDIA IS WORTHLESS.

 

[arp2041]

LOL.

China fought and stalemated the most technologically advanced military in Korea.

The one Indian victory was against another 3rd world country in civil war in 1971.

LOL.

in which u got freedom......

 

[OrionHunter]

The UPA government has sent back the army's 2011 proposal for raising a new mountain strike corps at Pannagarh in West Bengal to the Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC) this month in order to bring the navy and air force on board and broad base its military capability against China.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ps-plan-back-drawing-board.html#ixzz20frL4h16

Hmmm...So the UPA wants the Navy to establish a submarine base at Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh?? Is the DRDO secretly making flying subs?

WTF has the Navy gotta do with a strike Corps tasked to advance into Tibet?

 

[Lonely Hermit]

Looking into and speculating about individual weapons and their numbers will get no-one anywhere.

It is all about GDP.

China's GDP looks like it will grow quicker for the forseeable future.

This will allow China to produce even more of a partcular weapon than India can purchase.

Simply, India has no answer to the much more superior Chinese economy.

You have no idea about how wars are fought do you mate. There will never be a major war between India and China in the Himalayas. In mountain warfare you need a ratio of 1:8 to remove your opponent from strategic heights. You cannot use any armor in these heights, you cant use heavy helicopters at such heights,the artillery also is of no use in indirect firing and biggest problem is logistics. There is no army in the world as experienced in Mountain warfare as Indian army, any offensive in these heights will be grinded to a halt and beaten back.

 

[GR!FF!N]

whenever a thread on China is opened,BD members jumped on with rubbish economy and nukes...talk some battle tactics,not economy...

these strike corps are raised to make some thrust into Chinese territory(not deep inside Chinese territory as it was never an objective).let,China attacked and break through few places along LAC,India should do the same,to make this war stalemate.now,an war along side Himalaya is a nasty business...China have to carry huge amount of weapons and rations via various roads along LAC..if India could cut few of them,or even threaten(via action) to cut them,it'll be a huge blow for operation.what India is trying is to keep thrusting few vital areas with tanks and armoured brigades and hold those areas where China broke through.and main objective is to make bleeding China so much that they couldn't continue.we have defender's advantage,and in war time,India will send hundreds of thousands of soldiers in little time in those areas(that is primary objectives and thats why India is building so many vital roads) so that they can't overwhelm our defence parameters.objective is a stalemate,to make a situation where neither they nor we couldn't continue this war.

look at this map..some of vital road arteries goes through those areas reports mentioned.

 

[arp2041]

Hmmm...So the UPA wants the Navy to establish a submarine base at Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh?? Is the DRDO secretly making flying subs?

WTF has the Navy gotta do with a strike Corps tasked to advance into Tibet?

nope, this time govt. has played it right, they want to ensure that 3 services are in synergy as far as defence against China rise is concerned, so GOI wants a combined plan to deal with any emergency situation, it is obvious that without 3 services working together we can never stop the Chinese, as was the case in 1962 when IAF was not used at all. Infact IN is the best bet against Chinese, b'coz they have the Chinese Malacca "dilemma" in there hand, with new base at A&N called "Baaz" this dilemma is only going to increase further.

 

[Alphacharlie]

LOL.

China fought and stalemated the most technologically advanced military in Korea.

The one Indian victory was against another 3rd world country in civil war in 1971.

LOL.

Hyperbola Bullshit...1971 is a closed chapter, in Militray sphere`s we celebrate 16th December 71 with a Rum shot and Walkover it.

By the way - The same 3rd world country couldnt execute same tactic in Kashmir Valley or Punjab.

No wonder in Sumdorong Chu Conflict 1987-- China Backed Off!! from a Very Weak Nation....

Sunny Jim Dont live in Glory of 62.

Do your home work before writing any Ridiculous notes. Think will you be able to handle On-Slaught from Burma ??

 

[Ilyas naik]

I cant wait to see that china destroying indian murderers,the murderers of kashmiris

 

[Sashan]

nope, this time govt. has played it right, they want to ensure that 3 services are in synergy as far as defence against China rise is concerned, so GOI wants a combined plan to deal with any emergency situation, it is obvious that without 3 services working together we can never stop the Chinese, as was the case in 1962 when IAF was not used at all. Infact IN is the best bet against Chinese, b'coz they have the Chinese Malacca "dilemma" in there hand, with new base at A&N called "Baaz" this dilemma is only going to increase further.

When you compare the armies and navies of China and India with a consideration for the geography, China can move 1/2 million soldiers within a month with the equipment to the borders of India on top of the existing Chinese force. India has a deficiency in terms of artillery, men, roads and other arms especially in night vision capabilities and still it is Pakistan focussed (for example, 2 regiments of Brahmos have been raised but these 2 are on the Pakistan border)

As for the Navy, though PLAN is powerful, it does not have the capability to venture outside of the South China sea and pose a threat - It will take few more years for PLAN to get that blue water capability. Even now if need be, Indian navy can choke the Malacca straights.

So the gap is more in the army not to mention airforce and that can't be placed on hold.

 

[Ambitious.Asian]

I cant wait to see that china destroying indian murderers,the murderers of kashmiris

There was no waiting time for Wet Dreams...........They came relavantly

 

[UKBengali]

The "Overall cHINEESE pOWER"

Don't expect any help from India...if china attacks BD...........Sadly,1971 HELP OF INDIA IS WORTHLESS.

Why do you assume that BD is not grateful for India's help in 1971?

I am commenting on the fact that India cannot hope to think about matching the Chinese juggernaut.


Would it make you(and Indians in general) happy if I said the opposite?

It is better for Indians that they are told the stark reality that the much superior Chinese economy will allow a much superior military machine, unless India racks up GDP spending to a suicidal 6% of GDP and in the process ends up ruining it's economy.

India is doing OK and I wish it the best of luck but it is in position to even hope of countering China currently or in the next 2 decades.

India will take around 15 years to build and put into service 7 Delhi class destroyers while China is able to do the same with 8 destroyers in around 5 years.

Do you see from the example of destroyer construction between India and China why India cannot hope to match China? Also, since China has still not matched world class levels right now, India can hope to purchase similar technology from abroad. By the 2020s when China should have reached world class levels of military tech in many areas, India will find it increasingly hard to persuade the Europeans and Americans to supply it their very latest technology to stay current with the Chinese. So then India will not only not be able to produce as much as China but will have to put up with lower technology arms.

 

[IndianArmy]

Looking into and speculating about individual weapons and their numbers will get no-one anywhere.

It is all about GDP.

China's GDP looks like it will grow quicker for the forseeable future.

This will allow China to produce even more of a partcular weapon than India can purchase.

Simply, India has no answer to the much more superior Chinese economy.

You certainly do have a point which I must agree.. Economy plays an Important role.. In a scenario of war, it is the Economy of both the countries which help and get affected. India has a diverse yet complex economy where not all our eggs are in the same basket whereas China has concentrated mainly on Industrial advancement, pure soft targets in war.

While ours is intangible, take for example Outsourcing. This is what has boosted our economy, which is why it is termed knowledge economy. A war might strike out our Infrastructures but not the economy, India played it sensible and it still is..

We after a war will revive 10 times better than what the war trodden Chinese economy would. I am not an economist, it is all I can explain.