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FM meetings : Peace momentum stalls

Haahaaa, Pakada gaya to RAW, nahi to mushkil se Ajmal ko Pakistani maana, aur jo baki mar gaye woh sab Indian..:azn:
some people never learn, still denial of reality.

Anyway tell this to your closest buddy in WOT, the USA.:lol::lol:
That Ajmal Kasaab who was saying "Baghwan" mughey kabhi maaf nahi kare ga.

And USA already know....He don't give a ****...Those statements are just to make Indians happy so that they give MRCA tender to USA company.
 
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Is the glass half full or empty?
By Iqbal Haider
The three rounds of talks between Pakistan and India in a span of just about three weeks starting by the visit to Islamabad of the Indian foreign secretary on 24th June, followed by the visit of the Indian interior minister on June 25 and now the Indian external affairs minister has visited Islamabad to further pursue the process of dialogue, are indeed a major positive development in the relations of the two countries.

The people of South Asia who are craving for peace view this development with optimism as the glass of hope half full, if not more. Fortunately this year of 2010 has started with all the positive developments both in India and Pakistan. The two biggest groups of newspapers ‘The Jang Group’ in Pakistan and ‘Times of India Group’ in India took a remarkable initiative by launching the much-needed campaign ‘Aman Ki Asha’.

While people of Pakistan took out peace rallies in every city on January 1, the Peace Coalition of Intellectuals held a joint Indo-Pakistan conference in Delhi on 10th of January this year to define ‘A Roadmap Towards Peace’, and succeeded in offering to our two governments a comprehensive roadmap providing pragmatic solution to all burning issues for peace and stability in our two countries. The People’s Saarc in its seminar held in Delhi on 19th of April this year made further valuable contribution in promoting more understanding and cordial friendly relations among the people of South Asia.

Despite these positive efforts on the part of the officials as well as concerned members of the civil society of the two countries, one cannot ignore the assessment of many pessimists who view the glass as half empty and are not hopeful of any positive change in the Pak-India relations without first resolving the Kashmir issue.

Those who say that without resolving the political issues, cooperation between the two countries cannot be promoted in economic, trade, cultural and media sectors are not correct and realistic. The reverse appears to be more close to the reality. These are the stronger economic ties, social and cultural proximity that are more helpful in resolving the political issues.

The pessimists should not forget that even during the cold war and even after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the USA broke all ties with Soviet Union except economic ties. The US refused to play any game with Soviet Union in Olympics or otherwise but continued to sell its wheat to Moscow. India had strained relations with China but now China is the biggest trade partner of India.

The strong economic ties and considerations between India and China help them resolve their some disputes on border if not all. I can quote a number of examples of the economic considerations playing a vital role in resolving the political issues. It is for these reasons that I have to state that the precondition of resolving political issues first before establishing strong ties in economic, social and cultural sectors, amounts to maintaining strained status-quo to the detriment of the interest of our 1.5 billion people and it would only result in denial of progress, social, welfare that the people of our two countries need, and they can easily achieve the same by collaboration rather than confrontation.

There are no two opinions that all political issues including not just Kashmir but far more crucial issue effecting all 1.5 billion people of our two countries is the issue of fair distribution of water, and must be resolved peacefully for ensuring progress and social welfare of the people, and peace and stability in the South Asia.

The differences exist on the mode and manner of resolving these political issues. Conventional and pronounced position of the two countries on the Kashmir issue does not appear to be pragmatic or possible to be achieved now. There is realisation in both the countries that war is not an option.

The jihad launched by the imprudent extremist and militant religious groups was neither desirable by the vast majority of Kashmiris as the All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) had also declared in February 2001 that the struggle for liberation of Kashmir is not religious, but political. All jihadi, militant and religious forces could not force India to budge an inch. They only succeeded in damaging Pakistan, its image and caused incalculable harm to our economy, politics, and social and cultural values and conditions, so much so that our integrity and sovereignty is also being seriously threatened by the undeclared war of religious extremists from within Pakistan.

We have no option but to seek solution to political issues through expeditious peaceful negotiations with India. We can succeed peacefully only if we accept the ground realities, howsoever disappointing and bitter they may be. We must recognise that solution to Kashmir on the basis of UN resolution is a sour dream.

In the past 62 years, the UN and its members are least interested in the implementation of these resolutions. Even the closest allies of Pakistan in OIC are not willing to offer more than the lip service to this issue. One should not also ignore the fact that the Shimla Pact has already substituted the demand for implementation of UN resolutions on Kashmir.

On the occasion of the Saarc conference in Islamabad in January 2004, even the then Chief of Army staff General Pervez Musharraf had shown flexibility to search a solution to the Kashmir issue by modes other than UN resolutions. May I also remind that one of the very conservative leaders of a religious party JUI, Maulana Fazalur Rehman, during his visit to India a few years ago, had shown the courage to support the proposal to accept LoC as the international border. It is also an undeniable fact that neither India can push Pakistan out nor can Pakistan push India out of the portions of Kashmir in their respective control.

Under these geopolitical realities, the only viable strategy and solution appears to be that in the first face it would be in the best interest of the people of Pakistan, India and Kashmir, that both Pakistan and India formally accept the Line of Control as the international border for all practical purposes, at least for the time being.

This is precisely the spirit and objective of the Simla Agreement of 1972. This acknowledgement must however be followed by a treaty between India and Pakistan, containing firm and sincere commitments:
(a) That both countries would refrain from aggressive actions, policies or propaganda against each other and militancy or terrorism in any form, may it be at the hands of the arm forces or jihadi/religious fanatic organisations, has to be stopped;

and (b) Borders between the two countries and between the two parts of Kashmir should be opened to the people at large with free access, free trade, exchange of cultural activities, academics, intellectual groups, sports events as well as access to the electronic and print media. This will usher in a new chapter of peace and progress in South Asia, strongly desired by our 1.5 billion people.

(The writer is a former federal minister for law, justice, parliamentary affairs & human rights; and a former senator. Email: ihaider45@yahoo.com)
 
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The Hindu : Opinion / Editorial : Engagement must go forward

India and Pakistan, as Atal Behari Vajpayee remarked famously in 1998, can alter their history, but not their geography. That sentiment has been voiced by other Indian and Pakistani leaders since. It is born of the wisdom that enmity between two countries with a shared boundary can only take both along a mutually undermining path and there must be a commitment to finding peace and cooperation. Only sustained engagement over the long term can bring these. Such engagement is possible only when both sides stop treating every episode as a make-or-break event. When Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and Yusuf Raza Gilani agreed that their Foreign Ministers should meet to find ways to bridge the “trust deficit,” it was clear that the road ahead would be difficult. The talks between Foreign Ministers S.M. Krishna and Shah Mahmood Qureshi are seen in this perspective. That they could not arrive at common ground in their discussions is disappointing but this should not be blown out of proportion. After the positive tone of the preparatory discussions between the Foreign Secretaries in Islamabad last month, there was an expectation that the ministerial meeting would flag off action on certain “doables” aimed at rebuilding confidence and trust. The inability of the two sides to do so only underlines the extent of the mistrust that has set in since the 2008 Mumbai attacks. India wants Pakistan to go after the perpetrators and masterminds of the attacks; Pakistan says it has already done all that it can and India must get over Mumbai to begin talking about other issues. Nevertheless, the agreement by the Ministers to meet again in New Delhi is a definite plus and both governments must now ensure that it takes place.

Meanwhile, both India and Pakistan can be more restrained in their public statements. An official of the position and experience of the Home Secretary, G.K. Pillai, should have known better than to state in an interview, a day before the Foreign Minister talks, that the interrogation of David Headley had revealed the role of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence in the Mumbai attacks “from the beginning till the end.” The relevant information must have been conveyed by Home Minister P. Chidambaram during his talks with his Pakistan counterpart Rehman Malik last month. Its public airing at a sensitive moment raises troubling questions about the motives for doing so, and about who really runs this government. This is not the first time Mr. Pillai has misspoken on sensitive issues. The Pakistan Foreign Minister too has been unnecessarily aggressive in his posturing towards India, perhaps out of domestic political compulsions. Far from being faulted, Mr. Krishna must be commended for the sobriety and statesmanship with which he handled a tricky situation. It is the responsibility of mature political leadership on both sides to take constructive engagement forward.
 
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Indian media slams Pakistan over talks' 'failure'

Indian newspapers on Saturday blamed Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi for the “failure” of peace talks earlier in the week between the two countries.
Qureshi kills peace talks,” read a headline on the front page of leading circulation daily The Times of India, a day after Indian foreign minister S.M. Krishna returned to New Delhi from Islamabad.

The strongly worded comments came after the discussions, meant to build trust between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan, soured over what Islamabad charged was India's “selective” approach to outstanding issues.

Another top-selling daily The Economic Times accused Islamabad of pushing ties “off the diplomatic rails ... by sidelining New Delhi's main demand for action” against the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai Islamic militant attacks.

India's Hindustan Times accused Pakistan of “ambush diplomacy” by seeking to set a fixed timeframe to resolve key issues such as the row over disputed Muslim-majority Kashmir, the trigger of two of three wars between the nations.

This led to the “meeting's failure,” the newspaper said.

Qureshi on Friday had accused India of “narrowing down the talks” by focusing exclusively on militancy rather than the whole range of issues between the countries, including the status of Kashmir and water access rights.

He said Pakistan wanted the discussions to lead to the creation of a “roadmap” for better relations. “But Indians felt they did not have the mandate to commit to it,” Qureshi said.

Despite the chilly atmosphere, both Qureshi and Krishna have agreed to meet again in New Delhi to pursue improved relations that were derailed by the Mumbai carnage in which 166 people died. – AFP
 
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WTH .. indian media accusing SMQureshi of kilin peace talks !

Why ?

just cuz Qureshi wanted to address root cause of worst relations btw Pak-hind i.e KASHMIR !, what is wrong in that ,
good work Mr Qureshi we are with you on this one
 
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indians lack the BELLY and the Bal*s to move forward!! the congress is scared of backlash from opposition!!!

its useless to think CONGRESS party can ever solve the problems between india & pakistan or they can ever solve the kashmir issue!
 
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shows indian intent and how serious they are , after all this rant of peace bullshit they walk away when there was a chance ... the core of all issues is kashmir if they arent serious about it just say and stop wasting pakistans time.
 
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indians lack the BELLY and the Bal*s to move forward!! the congress is scared of backlash from opposition!!!

its useless to think CONGRESS party can ever solve the problems between india & pakistan or they can ever solve the kashmir issue!
Diplomacy is not carried out like some over the tea conversation. The fact is the situation is VERY bad after mumbai. I dunno whether you understand that public sentiment isn't very bothered about whether we have peace with pak or not. The only requirements given to the government are that no further attacks like mumbai takes place. It's the govt that has taken the initiative to get things moving. You guys should have been more careful in the way you handled it.
 
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indians lack the BELLY and the Bal*s to move forward!! the congress is scared of backlash from opposition!!!

its useless to think CONGRESS party can ever solve the problems between india & pakistan or they can ever solve the kashmir issue!

These are big words..for a person , who's country is run by its army.
 
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What about Indian officials claim about Pakistan ISI behind Mumbai attacks during the time of peace process??Do you think its the right time for provocative statements like this..he can raise the issue when the talks was happening rather than commenting it infront of media at a crucial time..we both know,Indian ministers are also good at making those kind of talks just like Pakistan counterparts..


Indian home secrety was only stating what Headley told to the NIA investigtators ,the same report was alreay with the Pakistani govt provided by Indian Home minister during his visit few days ago.Nothing new or offensive there.

Coming back to Foreigh minister of Pakistan, this isn't first time, he sure has habit of maing rash irresponsible statements ,as a retired indian diplomat ,put it rightly ,the man is "A baby in the woods of diplomacy"

I hope u can follow urdu a bit. This is after india agreed to foreign secrety level talks.
 
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shows indian intent and how serious they are , after all this rant of peace bullshit they walk away when there was a chance ... the core of all issues is kashmir if they arent serious about it just say and stop wasting pakistans time.
We've already solved the kashmir issue. You just haven't realized it yet.
 
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Indian home secrety was only stating what Headley told to the NIA investigtators ,the same report was alreay with the Pakistani govt provided by Indian Home minister during his visit few days ago.Nothing new or offensive there.

Coming back to Foreigh minister of Pakistan, this isn't first time, he sure has habit of maing rash irresponsible statements ,as a retired indian diplomat ,put it rightly ,the man is "A baby in the woods of diplomacy"

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I hope u can follow urdu a bit. This is after india agreed to foreign secrety level talks.
This motormouth is gonna be a problem dude. The situation is complicated as it is, his being a bull in a china shop will be of no help. I think we've gotta pull things off until we get confirmation that we're dealing with people who we can do business with...not some rag tag motormouth.
 
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shows indian intent and how serious they are , after all this rant of peace bullshit they walk away when there was a chance ... the core of all issues is kashmir if they arent serious about it just say and stop wasting pakistans time.


Yes I think you should because India will never negotiate its stance on Kashmir.
 
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enlighten us please how and when was this done ?

forget it pak-marine they will come back with the same useless rant about we have kashmir it is our integral part :blah::blah::blah:

let them think they have solved it! :lol:
 
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