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I think the contrary is true we are closing in the gap , and the huge asset advantage that Indian Navy enjoyed since 70's

And our inductions are required for our local defensive needs , 20 Frigate , 10 , 20 Missile boats , 10 Destroyer class ships is not intimidating but a defensive deterrence against misguided adventures

Its not like we are getting 100 Frigates
 
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Fatman do you have any source in regards to the part where PN is keen to receive nunber of SH-60F heli's?

the source is from where i have got this information. the SH-60F are to be operated with the OHP's. it is expected that atleast one example will be transferred to be used with PNS Alamgir OHP.
 
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going with the fleet review, the month of July has been really great for all the PN lovers. a lot of good stuff happening and and it seems that PN is slowly managing to come out of the shortage of funds crisis, slowly but surely!
here is a quick review of event (happening in July) for those who like to follow the recent event regarding PN

July 13
Pakistan starts construction of FAC:
Missile boats construction begins | Metropolitan | DAWN.COM
the news being followed at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/119712-fast-attack-craft-missile-boats-3.html

July 19:
first OHP inducted in PN:
http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&s...sg=AFQjCNGX-DtbKJh5yCAFGhI-u42R4tlp0Q&cad=rja
the event is being followed at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/121013-two-stus-frigate-join-pn-fleet.html

July 19
two ingeniously developed STUS inducted in PN:
Two STUS and frigate PNS Alamgir join PN fleet
the news being followed at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/121013-two-stus-frigate-join-pn-fleet.html

Mid July:
Pakistan to Buy 6 Qing Class submarines from China:
Dunya News: Pakistan:p:akistan to buy 6 Chinese submarines
Pakistan to buy six submarines from China
though the news was in defense circles but it was in July that authentic news links reported it. dawn news reported it on there TV channel on July 18.
also note that the news link report Yuan class subs but claim that these will be equipped with nuclear missiles so this means it is Qing class which actually is an improved Yuan class submarine.
the news is being followed at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-...ss-submarines-china-well-2-typ-054a-ffgs.html

July 21:
Pakistan Navy inducts the first squadron of indigenous UAV Uqab-II:
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
the event is being followed at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-...-navy-has-inducted-first-squadron-drones.html

so all in all, this July has been a great month for PN and all its lovers had a lot to cheer about.
:pakistan:

regards!
Arsalan Aslam
 
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Type 054A (Jiangkai-II Class) Missile Frigate

The Type 054A (NATO codename: Jiangkai-II Class) is the new-generation multirole missile frigate developed from the Type 054 (Jiangkai Class), incorporated with improved weapon systems and sensors. The frigate is being built by the Shanghai-based Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard and Guangzhou-based Huangpu Shipyard, both part of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC).

So far a total of four hulls have been commissioned: Xuzhou (530), Zhoushan (529), Huangshan (570), and Chaohu (568). The first and third hull were built by the Huangpu Shipyard, and the second and fourth by the Hudong-zhonghua Shipyard. The fifth and sixth hulls were identified in the two shipyards in late 2008.

The Type 054A was designed primarily for air defence role, featuring a medium-range air defence missile system with a 32-cell vertical launch system (VLS) on the bow deck. The frigate is also capable of anti-surface strike with its YJ-83 anti-ship missiles.

Like the Type 054, the Type 054A incorporates a number of stealthy features in its hull design, including the sloped side to minimise radar cross section and the reduced profiles of external features. The helicopter deck at the stern has a single landing spot for a medium size helicopter, such as the Russian Kamov Ka-28 Helix, or the indigenous Harbin Z-9C. The deck is fitted with the helicopter handling system. The vessel has a full displacement of 4,500 tonnes.

Missiles

The VLS on the bow deck of Type 054A
The primary surface strike weapon system is the YJ-83 sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missile. Two quadruple launchers are installed at the mid-ship position. The missile uses active radar-homing to deliver a 165kg warhead to a range in excess of 180km.

The principal air defence weapon system is a 32-cell VLS developed by Luoyang Electro-Optics Technology Development Centre (EOTDC). The exact model of the air defence missile is unknown, but some reports have suggested that it may be the 38km-range Russian 9M317 (NATO codename: SA-N-12) Shtil semi-active radar-homing medium-range SAM, or its Chinese copy reportedly designated HongQi-16 (HQ-16).

Unconfirmed reports suggested that the VLS could also launch an anti-submarine missile designated Yu-8. The missile carries an acoustic-homing torpedo, possibly developed from the Yu-7 (Mk-46 copy).

Guns

A single-barrel 76mm gun (possibly Russian AK-176 copy) is installed on the bow deck, in front of the VLS.

The frigate is equipped with two Chinese indigenous Type 730 seven-barrel 30mm CIWS to provide short-range air defence. The Type 730 CIWS has a maximum rate of fire of 4,600~5,800 rounds/min and a maximum range of 3,000m. The gun is controlled by the Chinese-made TR47C fire-control radar and an electro-optic director, both mounted on the roof of the gun turret.

There are two Type 87 six-tube anti-submarine rocket launchers installed on the bow deck, with 36 rockets (240mm calibre, 34kg warhead). The maximum range is 1,200m.

Sensors

The sensors of the Type 054A Jiangkai-II class are mainly Russian designs, produced either by licensed co-production or reverse-engineering of the systems obtained along with the Project 956 Sovremenny class missile destroyers.

The air search radar is a Fregat-MAE-5 (NATO reporting name: Top Plate) 3D air search radar mounted at the top of the front mast, offering two channels in E-band. The radar can track up to 40 targets simultaneously, and has a maximum range of 120km to aircraft and 50km to sea-skimming missile.

Four MR90 (NATO reporting name: Front Dome) F-band radars (two on top of the bridge, two on the roof of the helicopter hanger) provide guidance for the air defence missiles. Originally designed to provide fire-control for the 9M317/SA-N-7 Shtil SAM, each radar can provide two channels to guide two missiles simultaneously.

A large round radome installed on top of the bridge houses the Mineral-ME (NATO reporting name: Band Stand) radar that provides anti-ship missile control and over-the-horizon radar acquisition and target designation of surface ships.

The ship has three indigenous Type 347G I-band radars, two of which are integrated with the Type 730 CIWS to provide fire-control and a standalone radar is installed on top of the bridge behind the large round radome provides fire-control for the 76mm main gun.

There is also a large round radome mounted at the top of the rear mast, possibly housing a MR36 (Type 346?) surface search radar.

Sonar

The Type 054A is reportedly fitted with a Russian MGK-335 fixed sonar suite, including Bull Horn active and Whale Tongue passive hull-mounted, medium frequency search and attack sonar. Due to limited information available, this claim cannot be confirmed.

Countermeasures

The ship is equipped with two 18-tube multiple rocket launchers at the mid-ship position. They are thought to be used to launch decoys/chaffs. The round radome installed on top of the helicopter hanger and few smaller round radomes are believed to house electronic warfare antennas.

Propulsion

The propulsion is a combined diesel and diesel (CODAD) arrangement. The system is based on four SEMT Pielstick (now MAN Diesel SA) 16 PA6V-280 STC diesel engines, one of the most advanced diesel engine designs in Europe. A similar 12 PA6V-280 STC engine with less power is also used by the French La Fayette class frigate. China imported the 16 PA6V-280 STC diesel technology in the late 1990s and is now producing the diesel locally under license at Shaanxi Diesel Factory. Each 16 PA6V-280 engine can produce a sustained power of 4,720kW (6,330hp), giving a total power of 18,880kW (25,320hp).

Specifications

Length: 134m
Width: 16m
Displacement: (full) 4,053 tonnes
 
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A question for everyone what is difference b/w light,medium,heavy,frigate can light frigate destroy medium and heavy or its just that heavy frigate contains more armament!
 
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Type 054A (Jiangkai-II Class) Missile Frigate

The Type 054A (NATO codename: Jiangkai-II Class) is the new-generation multirole missile frigate developed from the Type 054 (Jiangkai Class), incorporated with improved weapon systems and sensors. The frigate is being built by the Shanghai-based Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard and Guangzhou-based Huangpu Shipyard, both part of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC).

So far a total of four hulls have been commissioned: Xuzhou (530), Zhoushan (529), Huangshan (570), and Chaohu (568). The first and third hull were built by the Huangpu Shipyard, and the second and fourth by the Hudong-zhonghua Shipyard. The fifth and sixth hulls were identified in the two shipyards in late 2008.

The Type 054A was designed primarily for air defence role, featuring a medium-range air defence missile system with a 32-cell vertical launch system (VLS) on the bow deck. The frigate is also capable of anti-surface strike with its YJ-83 anti-ship missiles.

Like the Type 054, the Type 054A incorporates a number of stealthy features in its hull design, including the sloped side to minimise radar cross section and the reduced profiles of external features. The helicopter deck at the stern has a single landing spot for a medium size helicopter, such as the Russian Kamov Ka-28 Helix, or the indigenous Harbin Z-9C. The deck is fitted with the helicopter handling system. The vessel has a full displacement of 4,500 tonnes.

Missiles

The VLS on the bow deck of Type 054A
The primary surface strike weapon system is the YJ-83 sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missile. Two quadruple launchers are installed at the mid-ship position. The missile uses active radar-homing to deliver a 165kg warhead to a range in excess of 180km.

The principal air defence weapon system is a 32-cell VLS developed by Luoyang Electro-Optics Technology Development Centre (EOTDC). The exact model of the air defence missile is unknown, but some reports have suggested that it may be the 38km-range Russian 9M317 (NATO codename: SA-N-12) Shtil semi-active radar-homing medium-range SAM, or its Chinese copy reportedly designated HongQi-16 (HQ-16).

Unconfirmed reports suggested that the VLS could also launch an anti-submarine missile designated Yu-8. The missile carries an acoustic-homing torpedo, possibly developed from the Yu-7 (Mk-46 copy).

Guns

A single-barrel 76mm gun (possibly Russian AK-176 copy) is installed on the bow deck, in front of the VLS.

The frigate is equipped with two Chinese indigenous Type 730 seven-barrel 30mm CIWS to provide short-range air defence. The Type 730 CIWS has a maximum rate of fire of 4,600~5,800 rounds/min and a maximum range of 3,000m. The gun is controlled by the Chinese-made TR47C fire-control radar and an electro-optic director, both mounted on the roof of the gun turret.

There are two Type 87 six-tube anti-submarine rocket launchers installed on the bow deck, with 36 rockets (240mm calibre, 34kg warhead). The maximum range is 1,200m.

Sensors

The sensors of the Type 054A Jiangkai-II class are mainly Russian designs, produced either by licensed co-production or reverse-engineering of the systems obtained along with the Project 956 Sovremenny class missile destroyers.

The air search radar is a Fregat-MAE-5 (NATO reporting name: Top Plate) 3D air search radar mounted at the top of the front mast, offering two channels in E-band. The radar can track up to 40 targets simultaneously, and has a maximum range of 120km to aircraft and 50km to sea-skimming missile.

Four MR90 (NATO reporting name: Front Dome) F-band radars (two on top of the bridge, two on the roof of the helicopter hanger) provide guidance for the air defence missiles. Originally designed to provide fire-control for the 9M317/SA-N-7 Shtil SAM, each radar can provide two channels to guide two missiles simultaneously.

A large round radome installed on top of the bridge houses the Mineral-ME (NATO reporting name: Band Stand) radar that provides anti-ship missile control and over-the-horizon radar acquisition and target designation of surface ships.

The ship has three indigenous Type 347G I-band radars, two of which are integrated with the Type 730 CIWS to provide fire-control and a standalone radar is installed on top of the bridge behind the large round radome provides fire-control for the 76mm main gun.

There is also a large round radome mounted at the top of the rear mast, possibly housing a MR36 (Type 346?) surface search radar.

Sonar

The Type 054A is reportedly fitted with a Russian MGK-335 fixed sonar suite, including Bull Horn active and Whale Tongue passive hull-mounted, medium frequency search and attack sonar. Due to limited information available, this claim cannot be confirmed.

Countermeasures

The ship is equipped with two 18-tube multiple rocket launchers at the mid-ship position. They are thought to be used to launch decoys/chaffs. The round radome installed on top of the helicopter hanger and few smaller round radomes are believed to house electronic warfare antennas.

Propulsion

The propulsion is a combined diesel and diesel (CODAD) arrangement. The system is based on four SEMT Pielstick (now MAN Diesel SA) 16 PA6V-280 STC diesel engines, one of the most advanced diesel engine designs in Europe. A similar 12 PA6V-280 STC engine with less power is also used by the French La Fayette class frigate. China imported the 16 PA6V-280 STC diesel technology in the late 1990s and is now producing the diesel locally under license at Shaanxi Diesel Factory. Each 16 PA6V-280 engine can produce a sustained power of 4,720kW (6,330hp), giving a total power of 18,880kW (25,320hp).

Specifications

Length: 134m
Width: 16m
Displacement: (full) 4,053 tonnes

how many Type 054A (Jiangkai-II Class) Missile Frigates we r getting 2 or 4:confused:
 
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Fleet Review - Pakistan Navy


Against this backdrop, the PN feels it has four major objectives to achieve;

3 - Encouraging its key ally China to project its naval presence westwards, into the Indian Ocean to counter-balance the presence of the Indian Navy.

This is a strange objective for a naval arm of any nation to have.

What happens if some day things turn sour with China or China needs to deploy its naval assets elsewhere to protect its own interests at a time when Pak to is under stress or at the time of need will Chinese fire on Indian ones in the event of war ?

71 showed Pak that it stood by itself the coded messages Yahya sent to Niazi about help from ' yellow' were false.

The larger point is that a nation cannot rely on cabs being available to it merely coz it provided a cab company premises to open a taxi stand.
 
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This is a strange objective for a naval arm of any nation to have.

What happens if some day things turn sour with China or China needs to deploy its naval assets elsewhere to protect its own interests at a time when Pak to is under stress or at the time of need will Chinese fire on Indian ones in the event of war ?

71 showed Pak that it stood by itself the coded messages Yahya sent to Niazi about help from ' yellow' were false.

The larger point is that a nation cannot rely on cabs being available to it merely coz it provided a cab company premises to open a taxi stand.

This is not an official document, the source is a defence journal and if we look at the actions of the PN, there seems to be nothing of the sorts as mentioned in point 3 by this defence journal.

My guess the writer came up with this objective on his own.
 
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STRONG ARM

Strong arm
Abhijit Bhattacharyya

One certainly does not have to be an established strategic analyst to suggest that Pakistan’s navy, which traditionally has been the most neglected of its armed services, is all set to play an unprecedented role in throwing challenges to the Indian navy in the near future. Pakistan’s planners seem to have realized the importance of the diversification and the flexibility the ocean offers to out-of-area operations in international waters. The 26/11 Mumbai mayhem was the test case of India’s maritime preparedness. Today, the vast Indian coastline of 4,104 nautical miles stands exposed as never before. And Pakistan knows this well. Hence the recent high-sea aggression of the PNS Babur against the INS Godavari.

Today, the role of Pakistan’s navy is no longer limited to the “defence of the coastline and sea lane”. It now has three additional assignments, which make for a four-pronged “strategic mission” force. Pakistan’s navy has a new-found role in the multinational anti-piracy enterprise on the high seas. There is also an elaborate action plan to woo the Chinese navy into operating in the Indian Ocean in an effort to curb and restrict the movement of the Indian flotilla. And finally, Pakistan wants to have the Chinese navy set up permanent base at Gwadar, with follow-up joint exercises in the blue waters of the Arabian Sea.

While the world’s attention is focused on land warfare involving the Taliban or al Qaida in the Afghanistan-Pakistan tribal belt, Pakistan is quietly expanding its port facilities/infrastructure and expediting fleet acquisition from both the United States of America and China. The weakest arm of Islamabad is no longer that weak. The brazen and unprovoked challenge of the Babur stands as an acid test, to be noted for the future by Indian strategists.

Survival strategies

What gives the Pakistani navy the confidence to take on the more powerful Indian navy is the decentralization of its assets — both mobile and static. Although its main combat bases remain in Karachi — with facilities about 60 nautical miles south, at Port Qasim — the “latest” has been built at Gwadar with Chinese assistance. It is also almost certain that the Chinese navy would be the prime keeper, user and beneficiary of the port bordering Iran — which is the ‘gateway to the Gulf of Oil’. Pakistan’s navy is also building the Jinnah Naval Base in Ormara, about 160 miles west of Karachi, that will reportedly act as the base for the French-built boats. Fresh suggestions of the mega purchase of six Beijing-built submarines imply a formidable challenge to the movement of Indian ships through the waters of the Middle East, possible denials notwithstanding. Today, Sino-Pak naval bonds look more structured and strategic than the alliance of the land and air forces of Beijing and Islamabad. As a result of these developments, Pakistan will surely become more of a maritime force than a traditional land-based power.

The recent stand-off between the 4,209 tonne frigate, the INS Godavari, and the 3,700 tonne frigate, the PNS Babur, could be seen against this background. One may also recall that the captain of the Babur is an experienced operator of the Inter-Services Intelligence. Thus there may be a gap of more than 30 months between the Mumbai attacks of November 2008, executed, among others, by Ajmal Kasab from Pakistan and the daylight aggression carried out by the captain of the Babur, but the writing is on the wall. The land strategy of the army-ISI duo of Pakistan may soon turn into a navy-ISI joint venture in the seas against India. It will clearly be a case of ‘survival of the fittest’ in the ocean. Especially so since Indian vulnerability and political courtesy are known only too well known to the aggressive and the hostile.
 
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pn primary surface fleet in 2020 will be this
4 f22p
possibaly 6 TO 8 ohp
4 type 54a
4 millign corvettes
3 chinese messile crafts

well i have read somewhere that a total of 6 aogosta 90b subs were to be built under license 3 in the first phase and 3 more in the second phase can any one confirm this i know only about 3 subs
 
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pn primary surface fleet in 2020 will be this
4 f22p
possibaly 6 TO 8 ohp
4 type 54a
4 millign corvettes
3 chinese messile crafts


well i have read somewhere that a total of 6 aogosta 90b subs were to be built under license 3 in the first phase and 3 more in the second phase can any one confirm this i know only about 3 subs



6-8 OHPs are highly unlikely...considering the next US government elections are in 2012 and next Pakistan elections are in 2013........both ruling parties are bound to get a boot....you never know what kind of diplomacy comes up then....between USA and Pakistan.........Americans have become more Anti-Pakistan since May 2........both in Congress and Civilians....
 
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pn primary surface fleet in 2020 will be this
4 f22p
possibaly 6 TO 8 ohp
4 type 54a
4 millign corvettes
3 chinese messile crafts

well i have read somewhere that a total of 6 aogosta 90b subs were to be built under license 3 in the first phase and 3 more in the second phase can any one confirm this i know only about 3 subs
I guess we need more better ships and subs than your estimate.
 
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