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Cool down. I will not be 100% right on all issues. I am not Allah. But many of your comments are base on Wholegrain works and his POV got even more serious problem.

Just that I need to work.This guy seems to be very free in commenting.
While I don't necessarily agree with all his claims,Wholegrain sources his claims unlike you or many other members who love to engage in ad hominems.

You on the other hand spout various claims and have absolutely nothing to back it up.
 
We shouldn't be helping separatism in China -- and certainly not any kind of violence.

I agree that Uyghurs are disadvantaged and face some discrimination in China. The solution would be to work with the Chinese government -- only if they ask, since this is purely a domestic matter -- and help find a peaceful solution.

I truly believe that the Chinese government wants a peaceful solution to this problem.
Yar some men stabbed few people and they are shouting "terrorists". I know Pakistan needs China but my understanding is that china has developed this much so called friendship with pakistan due to uyghur factor...it worked as pakistanis are criminally silent on uyghur issue.
This helplessness against China should make us realize how much muslims are lagging behind in progress, power, science, technology etc.
I can only wish that America do some thing about china like they did about russia....America is no angel, but far better in human rights to its citizens of any race and religion. Tablighi jamat is allowed in america but not in china.
 
Yar some men stabbed few people and they are shouting "terrorists". I know Pakistan needs China but my understanding is that china has developed this much so called friendship with pakistan due to uyghur factor...it worked as pakistanis are criminally silent on uyghur issue.
This helplessness against China should make us realize how much muslims are lagging behind in progress, power, science, technology etc.
I can only wish that America do some thing about china like they did about russia....America is no angel, but far better in human rights to its citizens of any race and religion. Tablighi jamat is allowed in america but not in china.

America also allows gay marriage. Do you support it? America also did nothing more against the Soviet Union than China did, China supplied arms to anti-Soviet groups and was the one who cooperated with America in anti-Soviet activities, keeping soldiers stationed at the Soviet and Mongolian borders. America did not do anything by itself.

The Chinese government did not say they were terrorists, they said this was a dispute and censored people on the internet for calling it terrorism.
 
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The Chinese government has been working to find a peaceful solution, but there are always opportunistic foreign interests who want to inflame the situation and create internal trouble for China.

Some foreign interests out there are playing us for fools.

But they won't win. The Chinese leadership is a lot smarter than most people give them credit for.
 
Yar some men stabbed few people and they are shouting "terrorists". I know Pakistan needs China but my understanding is that china has developed this much so called friendship with pakistan due to uyghur factor...it worked as pakistanis are criminally silent on uyghur issue.
This helplessness against China should make us realize how much muslims are lagging behind in progress, power, science, technology etc.
I can only wish that America do some thing about china like they did about russia....America is no angel, but far better in human rights to its citizens of any race and religion. Tablighi jamat is allowed in america but not in china.

Pak-China relationship is based on so many factors.

The Uyghurs are not a factor at all, although some people are trying to make it into a factor. You are falling into their trap.

My position on the Uyghurs is that, while they have some legitimate concerns, their best interests will be served in the long term by working within the Chinese state. If they become independent, they will be nothing more than a pawn like all the other CARs out there. The foreign countries which seem to sympathetic right now will only try to exploit them.

Within the Chinese state, the Uyghurs have access to one of the most dynamic economies, rising living standards, and a host of opportunities that a billion-plus market provides. Of course, their concerns about cultural identity will need to be addressed, and I believe the Chinese government is well-intentioned, even if their policies may not always work due to some ingrained anti-Uyghur stereotypes and discrimination.

Some foreign interests out there are playing us for fools.

But they won't win. The Chinese leadership is a lot smarter than most people give them credit for.

Don't underestimate the foreign players -- they are masters of manipulating public opinion.

The Chinese government may know the right way to handle the situation but, in the face of large scale terrorism or other incidents, the government will be forced to address public opinion. This may force the government's hand in ways that will prove detrimental in the long term -- not just within China, but for China's image and relationship with the Muslim world.
 
Don't underestimate the foreign players -- they are masters of manipulating public opinion.

The Chinese government may know the right way to handle the situation but, in the face of large scale terrorism or other incidents, the government will be forced to address public opinion. This may force the government's hand in ways that will prove detrimental in the long term -- not just within China, but for China's image and relationship with the Muslim world.

We are used to these American games.

I don't believe the Chinese leadership will fall for the bait, they are smarter than that.

All we have to do is maintain stability for the next 10-20 years, enough time to achieve a developed economy. Just need to focus on stability.
 
We are used to these American games.

I don't believe the Chinese leadership will fall for the bait, they are smarter than that.

All we have to do is maintain stability for the next 10-20 years, enough time to achieve a developed economy. Just need to focus on stability.

Wait a minute. Is every evil under the sun created by USA?
 
Wait a minute. Is every evil under the sun created by USA?

No, they are opportunists.

And they are the ones who will benefit the most if China is destabilized.

China has many enemies, but in the end, the one who gains the most from a weaker China is the USA.

Those anti-China groups and individuals, are all indirectly pushing forward American interests. Anyone who seeks to weaken China is helping America, whether they know it or not.
 
Pak-China relationship is based on so many factors.

The Uyghurs are not a factor at all, although some people are trying to make it into a factor. You are falling into their trap.

My position on the Uyghurs is that, while they have some legitimate concerns, their best interests will be served in the long term by working within the Chinese state. If they become independent, they will be nothing more than a pawn like all the other CARs out there. The foreign countries which seem to sympathetic right now will only try to exploit them.

Within the Chinese state, the Uyghurs have access to one of the most dynamic economies, rising living standards, and a host of opportunities that a billion-plus market provides. Of course, their concerns about cultural identity will need to be addressed, and I believe the Chinese government is well-intentioned, even if their policies may not always work due to some ingrained anti-Uyghur stereotypes and discrimination.



Don't underestimate the foreign players -- they are masters of manipulating public opinion.

The Chinese government may know the right way to handle the situation but, in the face of large scale terrorism or other incidents, the government will be forced to address public opinion. This may force the government's hand in ways that will prove detrimental in the long term -- not just within China, but for China's image and relationship with the Muslim world.
There are 25000 mosques in Xinjiang,averge 400 people with one mosque,compare with Egypt 2500 people with one mosque,Iran 11000 people with one mosque
You should know most Uyghurs know little or none Chinese,because most Uyghurs are Minkaomin民考民,those people in school leared Physics,maths.chemistry and so on in their own language,they also learn Chinese,but just like most Chinese learn English,most Chinese can't speak or understand English,most people forget English after they graduated from school.Same with Uyghurs,in many parts of southern Xinjiang,Uyghurs make up 100% of the population.They don't have the language environment to remember what they learned in school.And in China,all Universities taught in Chinese,it's not easy for those Minkaomin study in Universities.So most of them graduated in high minddle school. If they live in Xinjiang,it's OK,but if they leave Xinjiang,then they can't live,because they can't communicate with other people,but southern Xinjiang is poor,only farmland,it's naturely they move to big cities to seek better life.
Then we have anather kind of people called the Minkaohan民考汉,who grow up in Chinese language schools and grow up with Chinese students.They can speak good Chinese,but because in those schools,they don't learn their native language,many Uyghurs elites afraid their children will lost their tradition in those schools.Those Minkaohan are just a minority,can't influence their population.
In recent years,many Young people in southern Xinjiang came into east China,but unfortuntly,they were controlled by criminal gangs,the criminals use them to steal,loot and sell drugs(In Ruili,Yunnan,there are more than 20000 Uyghurs,most of them sell the drugs got from Burma).What the government should do?Those young people can't work as labours,because they can't communicate with other people.They can't do bussness either.In the end,they will be still controlled by gangs.And because of this,people of east China have negative feeling toward the Uyghurs.You should know crime rate is very low in east China,people just want peaceful life,you can see their are Mongols,Huis etc in cities like Beijing and Shanghai,but people have no issue with them
 
This is closer to truth than the BS from the brilliant Wholegrain. Such article is now flooding PRC. If Muslim members are able to access PRC mandarin material, you find that their comments of Islam is not all rosy. Wholegrain never the less is a good ambassador trying to do his best, cultivate friendship.

Lux is only interested in truth.

Read carefully what the posting try to communicate.

One of the point implicates: Too - much - mosque make people backward, illiterate, criminal, no-language talent.

There are reasons why Islamic country are bottom in IQ scores and scientific output, despite hoarding vast natural resources.
Not because too many Mosques,but because cultural and language issues,anyway,the Kazakhs in northern Xinjiang are in peace,most Kazakhs are not even real muslims,their blood relatives in Kazakhstan even eat pork,and Kazakhs in Xinjiang drink liquor.The nomadic people don't follow those religious rules
 
Violent Uyghur Turkics needs kicks.

They are fighting for a no cause when they can live peacefully with all the benefits of the state.

We too have same kinda issues with some people.

Well that will make them normal. They are anything but.
 
I thought China was free from terrorism and islamic extremism many years ago, now i am wrong. Did China really do something to harm some Islanmic's interest? Anyone tell me please?

You don't have to do anything special to anger them.

Just being what you are is enough.
 
they can't communicate with other people

Many minority communities around the world manage to hold both theirs and the mainstream culture.

However, the Uyghurs feel that, by learning Chinese, they will lose their own culture. This paranoia is the root of the problem. The extremists will try to feed this paranoia; the Chinese government (and people) will need to understand and address it.

It is also wrong to see pork and alcohol as a barometer of integration. I am sure there are many Han Chinese who don't eat pork or drink alcohol.

Surely, being "Chinese" is far more nuanced than that.
 
Many minority communities around the world manage to hold both theirs and the mainstream culture.

However, the Uyghurs feel that, by learning Chinese, they will lose their own culture. This paranoia is the root of the problem: it needs to be understood and addressed.

It is also wrong to see pork and alcohol as a barometer of integration. I am sure there are many Han Chinese who don't eat pork or drink alcohol.

Surely being "Chinese" is far more nuanced than that.
But it's strange for a muslim population eat pork,this is even not nomadic tradition,but brought by the Russians,the Kazakhs in China don't eat pork,but they drink alcohol.The nomadic people are very different from sedentary people,the Uyghurs and Huis are more religious than Kazakhs
 

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