Five new mass graves discovered in Myanmar.

[kingQamaR]

Can some Bangladeshi speakers here for me please explain. Why does Mr Chinese Dragon keeps saying Bangladesh is partly to blame for crisis . As I am a non Bangladeshi and not from this neighbourhood. Don’t really have a good grasp of news and facts . Cheers

 

[Avicenna]

Can some Bangladeshi speakers here for me please explain. Why does Mr Chinese Dragon keeps saying Bangladesh is partly to blame for crisis . As I am a non Bangladeshi and not from this neighbourhood. Don’t really have a good grasp of news and facts . Cheers

Not sure why he keeps makimg that arguement.

China isnt to blame. But China certainly is complicit in it. As is Russia and for that matter India.

To blame Bangladesh is moronic.

I have spoken to individuals who have been on the ground in Bangladesh in the refugee camps for the purpose of a medical mission. There s only so much Bangladesh can do. The scale of the problem is enormous.

There will be alot more evidence of mass killings uncovered as time goes on.

Myanmar and the people who support this are sacks of human excrement.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not sure why he keeps makimg that arguement.

China isnt to blame. But China certainly is complicit in it. As is Russia and for that matter India.

To blame Bangladesh is moronic.

I have spoken to individuals who have been on the ground in Bangladesh in the refugee camps for the purpose of a medical mission. There s only so much Bangladesh can do. The scale of the problem is enormous.

There will be alot more evidence of mass killings uncovered as time goes on.

Myanmar and the people who support this are sacks of human excrement.

Maybe because Bangladeshi members keep attacking China in these threads with zero provocation? Look at the first few posts of this thread.

Can some Bangladeshi speakers here for me please explain. Why does Mr Chinese Dragon keeps saying Bangladesh is partly to blame for crisis . As I am a non Bangladeshi and not from this neighbourhood. Don’t really have a good grasp of news and facts . Cheers

Easy. We Atheist Chinese have zero obligations to Rohingya Bengali Muslims, they have nothing to do with us. I see them in exactly the same way as any other foreigner suffering in any other foreign country, I don't see why Rohingya are any more important than say people suffering in Africa, the Carribean or in Syria.

Whereas the one country that really has the most obligations towards Bengali Muslims, i.e. Bangladesh have constantly rejected any idea of giving the Rohingya even the most basic refugee status as demanded by the UNCHR, while sucking up to Myanmar, continuing to buy Myanmar's exports as well as openly declaring their intention to improve relations with Myanmar.

But what annoys me the most, is Bangladeshis using the Rohingya as a "political weapon" to attack other countries with, as if they are not their fellow Bengali Muslims but rather some sort of political tool. Trying to use their suffering to extract political concessions from China and Russia in particular.

All Bangladesh has to say, is this: "We will cut off relations with any country that supports Myanmar". That's all, no country would be willing to cut off all relations with Bangladesh for that. Instead.... Bangladesh is desperate to improve ties with Myanmar at any cost themselves, while playing the guilt card against China and Russia while holding their hand out for loans and military equipment. It's such mind boggling hypocrisy, they are using the Rohingya's suffering as a political weapon against us and then trying to sit on a moral high horse.

 

[Shorisrip]

It is probably time to review the presence of Rakhine in BD and take steps. The monkey army did not undertake the killing alone. Before the inevitable solution is imposed on the monkeys we need to neutralise potential 5th elements inside the nation.

We're not savages. This is something that extremist RSS members or Jamatis or a Communist psycho like Stalin would do, suspecting a whole community isn't particularly bright.

There are about 200,000-250,000 Rakhines in our country, mainly in the Chittagong region, as well as Southern Barisal. They are called 'Marma' (previously called Mogh/Magh), and are AFAIK, the biggest minority in the CHT after the Chakmas. They came here mostly in the 18th century, as refugees escaping the war against their kingdom by the Bamars.

The ones we should be targeting are the 'Arakan Army', who operate within our territory, and also oppose our government, beside the Burmese one as well. But, since 2015, the Bangladesh Armed forces have been clearing out areas in the CHT where the Arakan army is operating.

 

[Centaur]

Maybe because Bangladeshi members keep attacking China in these threads with zero provocation?

Oh so you don't find bangladesh guilty yet blaming bangladesh partly because few bangladeshi posters are critisizing the Chinese stance about rohingyas? Oh boy!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh so you don't find bangladesh guilty yet blaming bangladesh partly because few bangladeshi posters are critisizing the Chinese stance about rohingyas? Oh boy!

Actually I do consider Bangladesh guilty, normally I would have kept my mouth shut, but since Bangladeshis are always attacking China with zero provocation, I decided there was no point to keeping quiet.

The bottom line is that we Atheist Chinese have zero obligations to Bengali Muslim Rohingya, they have nothing to do with us.

It is their brotherly Bengali Muslims who have the obligations to them. Yet they have backstabbed them, in order to suck up to Myanmar.

 

[Centaur]

Easy. We Atheist Chinese have zero obligations to Rohingya Bengali Muslims, they have nothing to do with us.

That's why your country is supporting the genocide do you want me to believe it ?
However another Chinese guy explained it nicely and his position was acceptable .
He simply believe that pompous miyanmer generals will not listen to China . I hope it's the stance of China too, at least I believe now .
And you are saying that since you are atheist so you have zero obligation? Bravo.

 

[Shorisrip]

Actually I do consider Bangladesh guilty, normally I would have kept my mouth shut, but since Bangladeshis are always attacking China with zero provocation, I decided there was no point to keeping quiet.

The bottom line is that we Atheist Chinese have zero obligations to Bengali Muslim Rohingya, they have nothing to do with us.

It is their brotherly Bengali Muslims who have the obligations to them. Yet they have backstabbed them, in order to suck up to Myanmar.

So, China, being one of the core members of the UN security council, has zero obligations to human rights?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That's why your country is supporting the genocide do you want me to believe it ?
However another Chinese guy explained it nicely and his position was acceptable .
He simply believe that pompous miyanmer generals will not listen to China .
And you are saying that since you are atheist zokhon so you have zero obligation? Bravo.

So, China, being one of the core members of the UN security council, has zero obligations to human rights?

Bangladesh is using the suffering of the Rohingya as a political weapon to squeeze more concessions out of China and Russia. Which would not be so shameful if they weren't their own brothers and sisters.

If Bangladesh really cared about them, they would at the very least cut off trade relations with Myanmar, and give the Rohingya refugee status (at minimum).

China in the 1980's accepted hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese who were fleeing Southeast Asia due to persecution, at a time when China's GDP per capita was far below Bangladesh today, not to mention we had a billion more people to take care of. But we did it anyway, we didn't use their suffering to squeeze a few dollars of profit off some military purchases and aid commitments.

That's why your country is supporting the genocide do you want me to believe it ?

Who said we are supporting genocide? In fact we have said we are directly against it.

It is Bangladesh who is supporting genocide by refusing to give the Rohingya refugee status, and saying they will send them back to Myanmar as soon as possible. Which is no different from killing them yourself.

 

[Shorisrip]

Bangladesh is using the suffering of the Rohingya as a political weapon to squeeze more concessions out of China and Russia. Which would not be so shameful if they weren't their own brothers and sisters.

If Bangladesh really cared about them, they would at the very least cut off trade relations with Myanmar, and give the Rohingya refugee status (at minimum).

China in the 1980's accepted hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese who were fleeing Southeast Asia due to persecution, at a time when China's GDP per capita was far below Bangladesh today, not to mention we had a billion more people to take care of. But we did it anyway, we didn't use their suffering to squeeze a few dollars of profit off some military purchases and aid commitments.

Bangladesh can do that, but cutting off relations will legitimize the exodus of Rohingyas, and the population will become permanent in Bangladesh, basically destroying the lives of the Rohingya even further.

Bangladesh government really hasn't done anything to China, but being a democratic country, the public have a voice, and can oppose/agree with the government in what issues they like. And, we, the public (not the government), have criticized China/Russia/India for vetoing/supporting denial of ethnic cleansing in Burma.

In the west, we believe in criticizing whatever is wrong. We look at things objectively, and we find faults in our country and others. And, from a Western perspective, and also from a Bengali perspective, having visited BD recently in the summer, I can clearly see what's going on.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

In the west, we believe in criticizing whatever is wrong. We look at things objectively, and we find faults in our country and others. And, from a Western perspective, and also from a Bengali perspective, having visited BD recently in the summer, I can clearly see what's going on.

Do you remember who it was that put Suu Kyi's "democratic regime" into power in the first place? Wasn't it the same West? Who made Suu Kyi their global champion of democracy?



More on topic:

PM: Bangladesh wants a solution to Rohingya crisis keeping relations unharmed - Dhaka Tribune

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina on Sunday said the government wants to solve the Rohingya crisis keeping “good relations” with neighbouring Myanmar unharmed.

“We want to resolve the crisis keeping the good relations with the neighbour,” she said.

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So in terms of official policy:

1) Bangladesh refuses to give even basic refugee status to the Rohingya, despite multiple requests from the UNHCR

2) Bangladesh refuses to cut off trade with Myanmar, they want to continue giving Myanmar money

3) Bangladesh's priority is to keep "good relations" with Myanmar


Now, Bangladeshis turn around and blame China for having good relations with Myanmar.

And then they ask for loans, military equipment and more foreign aid. If the amount is not enough, they use the Rohingya's suffering as a political weapon again, while doing their best to improve their own relations with Myanmar.

 

[Shorisrip]

Do you remember who it was that put Suu Kyi's "democratic regime" into power in the first place? Wasn't it the same West? Who made Suu Kyi their global champion of democracy?



More on topic:

PM: Bangladesh wants a solution to Rohingya crisis keeping relations unharmed - Dhaka Tribune

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina on Sunday said the government wants to solve the Rohingya crisis keeping “good relations” with neighbouring Myanmar unharmed.

“We want to resolve the crisis keeping the good relations with the neighbour,” she said.

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So in terms of official policy:

1) Bangladesh refuses to give even basic refugee status to the Rohingya, despite multiple requests from the UNHCR

2) Bangladesh refuses to cut off trade with Myanmar, they want to continue giving Myanmar money

3) Bangladesh's priority is to keep "good relations" with Myanmar


Now, Bangladeshis turn around and blame China for having good relations with Myanmar.

And then they ask for loans, military equipment and more foreign aid. If the amount is not enough, they use the Rohingya's suffering as a political weapon again, while doing their best to improve their own relations with Myanmar.

1) "Official" refugee is not being given, because of the point I mentioned on the Rohingya becoming a permanent population, and Myanmar legitimizing the exodus.

2) & 3) Again, applies to point 1, and officially, Bangladesh doesn't have "beef" with any country. We like peace, and justice.



Also, the public here is criticising China (and Russia) because of the veto in the UN, not because you have good relations with Myanmar. We wouldn't give a flying F, even if Xi Jinping was a sex buddy of Aung San Suu Kyi.

 

[Cybernetics]

I don't think China's stance on this issue has anything to do with religious beliefs. The Chinese polity never thinks in that framework. The way they think is quite simple, it's interest. In this case its broader geopolitics and their interests in Myanmar.

China had been struggling with getting cooperation from Myanmar for decades, only recently did China feel there is progress in the relationship with Myanmar due to a more open economic policy, thus it's doing all it can to maintain that rare opening. The past was actually nerve racking for China regarding this relationship, Myanmar was always implicitly threatening to allow US troops/special forces to be stationed there to counter China. From China's perspective this is unacceptable, it will not allow it to become part of the anti-China blockade. In this process of improving relations, China made many concessions to Myanmar. Many of Myanmar's policies have a negative impact on China's border region but it kept quiet to maintain the relationship and to not embarrass them internationally.

Now in comes the Rohyinga crisis, its something Chinese government really wants to resolve as Bangladesh is an important regional partner, this is a long standing fact. On the other hand if it shuns Myanmar and pushes it too far, China will be blockaded and will counter China with US presence, possibly shutting down the pipeline and killing Chinese business interests, this is unacceptable. Another point is that Myanmar boarders China, their internal stability (relative stability) is vital. Jihadists even if they are few, are not welcomed, they have a tendency of taking things too far if given power.

Perhaps China's way of brokering peace in the region doesn't release emotional tension in the short run but I think there is few other ways to maintain regional stability. There is past precedent where China's methods worked, many of the bordering region with China and Thailand is now settling down. Only after people stop the cycle of conflict can there be a real resolution and development but China can't apply too much pressure on Myanmar out of external factors (China is not a superpower).

I know this is a military forum but one essential element of China's rise is swallowing your pride and doing what is right for the long run for your society, even in the face of humiliation. From the 80-90s it abandoned its military, it stopped funding it and told them to find their own money, so that the government budget can be focused on growth. During that time China was humiliated many times geopolitically with crisis after crisis. 20 years later China has improved many times over and now has the capability to redevelop its military from a much larger budget base, more than it would have had if it stuck with a militaristic policy. To be honest I think Bangladesh is the country in the region with the best long term development policies, and spends little on its military. I understand in the short run people can feel insecure and weak but continue with a peaceful development for 20 years and you wont regret it.

 

[Avicenna]

I don't think China's stance on this issue has anything to do with religious beliefs. The Chinese polity never thinks in that framework. The way they think is quite simple, it's interest. In this case its broader geopolitics and their interests in Myanmar.

China had been struggling with getting cooperation from Myanmar for decades, only recently did China feel there is progress in the relationship with Myanmar due to a more open economic policy, thus it's doing all it can to maintain that rare opening. The past was actually nerve racking for China regarding this relationship, Myanmar was always implicitly threatening to allow US troops/special forces to be stationed there to counter China. From China's perspective this is unacceptable, it will not allow it to become part of the anti-China blockade. In this process of improving relations, China made many concessions to Myanmar. Many of Myanmar's policies have a negative impact on China's border region but it kept quiet to maintain the relationship and to not embarrass them internationally.

Now in comes the Rohyinga crisis, its something Chinese government really wants to resolve as Bangladesh is an important regional partner, this is a long standing fact. On the other hand if it shuns Myanmar and pushes it too far, China will be blockaded and will counter China with US presence, possibly shutting down the pipeline and killing Chinese business interests, this is unacceptable. Another point is that Myanmar boarders China, their internal stability (relative stability) is vital. Jihadists even if they are few, are not welcomed, they have a tendency of taking things too far if given power.

Perhaps China's way of brokering peace in the region doesn't release emotional tension in the short run but I think there is few other ways to maintain regional stability. There is past precedent where China's methods worked, many of the bordering region with China and Thailand is now settling down. Only after people stop the cycle of conflict can there be a real resolution and development but China can't apply too much pressure on Myanmar out of external factors (China is not a superpower).

I know this is a military forum but one essential element of China's rise is swallowing your pride and doing what is right for the long run for your society, even in the face of humiliation. From the 80-90s it abandoned its military, it stopped funding it and told them to find their own money, so that the government budget can be focused on growth. During that time China was humiliated many times geopolitically with crisis after crisis. 20 years later China has improved many times over and now has the capability to redevelop its military from a much larger budget base, more than it would have had if it stuck with a militaristic policy. To be honest I think Bangladesh is the country in the region with the best long term development policies, and spends little on its military. I understand in the short run people can feel insecure and weak but continue with a peaceful development for 20 years and you wont regret it.

A very excellent post.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Easy. We Atheist Chinese have zero obligations to Rohingya Bengali Muslims, they have nothing to do with us. I see them in exactly the same way as any other foreigner suffering in any other foreign country, I don't see why Rohingya are any more important than say people suffering in Africa, the Carribean or in Syria.

Chinese position in Africa, Carribean or Syria are not positive either.China is totally oblivious to their suffering or outright helping there in killing.China helped Sudan to do genocide in Darfur.

If China can not contribute to global peace in any way and always push for ruthless agenda of protecting it's selfish interest, then it should step down from UN security council and renounce it's Veto power.Being a permanent member of security council have some obligation.It entails the member states to act on the greater good and peace of the world.Not just upholding the narrow interest of it's own.But unfortunately, China and Russia are misusing their membership and Veto power only to it's narrow selfish gain while totally disregarding the global peace and well being.This two countries are in a cohort of all type of dictators, war mongers, genocidal regimes around the world who are using Chinese and Russian back-up to do their crime without any consequence.It is a great tragedy for UN that, two ruthless dictatorship are part of it's very security council and yielding veto power there, which was assigned to protect global peace and prevent human rights violation by any rouge regime.