First World War - Finding Pakistan's place in history.

[RKO]

Yes but the people of Pakistan have lived here for over 9000 years.



They were mercenaries who were used as cannon fodder by a colonial empire which was busy killing our people through systematic famine at the same time.

why only 9000 years... people must have been living there... from the starting of human race!!!

 

[PakhtunGuy]

Do the tombstones identify them as soldiers for "Pakistan"?

They identified themselves as Pashtun, Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi and Kashmiri soldiers. And fought for Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab, KPK and Kashmir.

Whats wrong with you, my dear?

 

[VCheng]

You could say theoretically "British India" was one of Pakistan's predecessor states but only from 1843-1947.

The immediate predecessor state was India, and there were many others before that.

 

[Kompromat]

Yes, that is a valid point. You can say Pakistanis have lived for centuries but not Pakistan as a State.

It's like an Indian says India existed since time immemorial. While in reality she is a very young country. It had an independent and often fractured existence over most of its history.

India too has never existed. Its territories were divided most of the times. Its only been 'united' as Hindus like to see it by Ashoka (for which there is no independent written account to prove it) and by Orangzaib Alamgir. However none of those 'united entities' lasted together for more than 100-150 years.

The immediate predecessor state was India, and there were many others before that.

It was British Empire.

 

[VCheng]

They identified themselves as Pashtun, Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi and Kashmiri soldiers. And fought for Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab, KPK and Kashmir.

But what do the tombstones say?

 

[FaujHistorian]

I have to ask, what made you think of Utah? I ask because I went to college there and used to live there for many years.

BYU?

 

[MM_Haider]

Those times were dark times. Most of it was our fault. We ought to learn from history and reclaim our rightful place.

Would you please elaborate 'our fault' and 'dark times'? As a student of history, i reckon those Muslims and (or) Non-Muslims who didn't stand against foreign aggression from west, were on wrong side of the history because those invaders not only killed non Muslims but Muslims also for the lust of power and wealth. If you read history it is evident that it was not a war for some religious motive anyway. They invaded India just like Alexander. last but not least, patriotism doesn't rely on religion at all.

 

[VCheng]

India too has never existed. Its territories were divided most of the times. Its only been 'united' as Hindus like to see it by Ashoka (for which there is no independent written account to prove it) and by Orangzaib Alamgir. However none of those 'united entities' lasted together for more than 100-150 years.



It was British Empire.

We can talk about these aspects of history, sure, but as long as we realize that there was no such entity as Pakistan before 1947.

 

[Kompromat]

why only 9000 years... people must have been living there... from the starting of human race!!!

I am talking about 'civilization'. People of course have lived around on the Asian continent for millions of years. Our ancestors migrated from C.Asian highlands before the stone age civilization (Mehrgarh).

 

[FaujHistorian]

But what do the tombstones say?

Havildar Mohmmad Khan, Distt Chakwal, Punjab.

Why are you so prejudiced against us?

 

[Kompromat]

We can talk about these aspects of history, sure, but as long as we realize that there was no such entity as Pakistan before 1947.

Who is denying that there was no entity called Pakistan or India for that matter before 1947.

 

[INDIC]

Are you retarded/Indian?
You could say theoretically "British India" was one of Pakistan's predecessor states but only from 1843-1947.

But the leaders who were associated with Pakistan movement came from East of the Radcliffe line like Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan and many came from Bengal.

 

[PakhtunGuy]

But what do the tombstones say?

Nobody cares. British or europeans could even call them as "Indians" but they were Pashtun, Baloch, Kashmiris, Punjabis and Sindhis and identified themselves for that what they are and fought for their country.

 

[SQ8]

That is also true. But evident only in restrospect. At that time the sepoy (officers were all white) knew nothing about the repurcussions. The national identity was also not very strong.

Well essentially, the Germans of today should not be responsible for what Hitler did. Yet the state of Germany and Germans in general end up paying Israel millions every year in aid as some sort of moral punishment.

 

[FaujHistorian]

We can talk about these aspects of history, sure, but as long as we realize that there was no such entity as Pakistan before 1947.

India of today was created on August 15, 1947 (one day later than Pakistan).

Would you deny India all the $hit that happened in UP, Bihar, W.Bengal etc. before that date?

Why you are so prejudiced against single country when it is very similar to others.