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[Foinikas]

Why you bring up Kemalist? Since when was Kemalism a religion? What about offending the Muslim majority in Turkey?

Dude...Kemal converted Agia Sofia into a museum. By converting it back to a mosque,Erdogan is destroying Kemal's legacy and defying the secular Turks. Is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Dude...Kemal converted Agia Sofia into a museum. By converting it back to a mosque,Erdogan is destroying Kemal's legacy and defying the secular Turks. Is that so hard for you to understand?

Why are you so supportive of Ataturk? Because he was Anti-Islam. lol

What about the Muslims of Turkey, where are their rights?

Should we support Joseph Stalin when he blew up churches in Soviet Union.

You are a hypocrite!

 

[Foinikas]

Hagia Sophia is not some holy site for Christianity.

Like I've been saying again and again,it's an important place of worship for Eastern Orthodox Christians. A cathedral that is very important to us and is a symbol of the Byzantine Empire and the Eastern Orthodox history.

How thick-skulled are you that I have to repeat it again and again?

Also if my memory serves me correctly one of the Ottoman sultans bought Hagia Sophia. So Turkey can do anything it wants with Hagia Sophia.

Stop trying to obfuscate the people here with false information.

Stop trying to flame me with your nonsense.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Like I've been saying again and again,it's an important place of worship for Eastern Orthodox Christians. A cathedral that is very important to us and is a symbol of the Byzantine Empire and the Eastern Orthodox history.

How thick-skulled are you that I have to repeat it again and again?


Stop trying to flame me with your nonsense.

Stop spreading misinformation with your garbage.

One of the Sultans of the Ottoman empire bought Hagia Sophia, therefore Turkey can do anything it wants with the building.

Show me in Christianity where Hagia Sophia is some holy site or something like that.

Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.

 

[Foinikas]

Why are you so supportive of Ataturk? Because he was Anti-Islam. lol

What about the Muslims of Turkey, where are their rights?

Should we support Joseph Stalin when he blew up churches in Soviet Union.

You are a hypocrite!

Malaka,stop saying the exact same things you kept telling me in the other thread. You went back to Stalin and calling me "hypocrite". It's not my fault if you can't understand a few simple things.

I'm not supportive of Ataturk,I'm against Erdogan

 

[Areesh]

Mashallah. Beautiful pictures

 

[MultaniGuy]

Like I've been saying again and again,it's an important place of worship for Eastern Orthodox Christians. A cathedral that is very important to us and is a symbol of the Byzantine Empire and the Eastern Orthodox history.

How thick-skulled are you that I have to repeat it again and again?


Stop trying to flame me with your nonsense.

Haha, you hypocrite. When I mentioned one of the Ottoman sultans bought the Hagia Sophia, you got irked.

 

[Foinikas]

Show me in Christianity where Hagia Sophia is some holy site or something like that.

If every single mosque in Pakistan was shut down or converted to a church,would you have accepted the same arguement by saying "Hey,it's not holy place of Islam so what no problem haha" ?

If Al Aqsa mosque war turned into a church or a synagogue,would you have said nothing or gone nuts shouting PAF to deploy?

 

[MultaniGuy]

If every single mosque in Pakistan was shut down or converted to a church,would you have accepted the same arguement by saying "Hey,it's not holy place of Islam so what no problem haha" ?

If Al Aqsa mosque war turned into a church or a synagogue,would you have said nothing or gone nuts shouting PAF to deploy?

Is Pakistan a Christian majority country? You clearly did not take demographics into consideration.

Is Hagia Sophia of the same importance as Al Aqsa Mosque, you moron.
No its not.

Pakistan is a Muslim majority country.

 

[Foinikas]

But the sultan donated it after buying it.

But which Sultant bought it? Fatih Sultan Mehmed II conquered the City and thus converted it by force. So whoever bought it,basically had no authority to buy it and donate it,other than the conquerors. It's like...let's say,the Pakistan government consficates a part of land and then Imran Khan "buys it" and donates it to the State. It's weird.

 

[MultaniGuy]

But which Sultant bought it? Fatih Sultan Mehmed II conquered the City and thus converted it by force. So whoever bought it,basically had no authority to buy it and donate it,other than the conquerors. It's like...let's say,the Pakistan government consficates a part of land and then Imran Khan "buys it" and donates it to the State. It's weird.

It is said an Ottoman Sultan bought the Hagia Sophia.

Don't beat around the bush. This is a fact.

But which Sultant bought it? Fatih Sultan Mehmed II conquered the City and thus converted it by force. So whoever bought it,basically had no authority to buy it and donate it,other than the conquerors. It's like...let's say,the Pakistan government consficates a part of land and then Imran Khan "buys it" and donates it to the State. It's weird.

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Babri Masjid and Hagia Sofia are totally different cases​

By Zainab Ashraf siyasat.net

Recently the President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has reverted back the museum to a mosque which brings a lot of criticism from across the world. So, the question arises that why Erdoğan did this and why the world is criticizing him for his action? To answer this, let’s just briefly go through the complicated history of Hagia Sophia. So, it is a historical monument of 1,500 years old, built by the Greek emperor, Justinian I in the sixth century at Constantinople (now Istanbul, Tukey) and its construction was completed in just six years (532-537 C.E.)

It was a cathedral of the Greek orthodox and it remained as a cathedral for 667 years. In 1204, during the fourth crusaders, they converted this Greek orthodox cathedral into a Roman Catholic Church until 1261. Hence, it remained as a Roman Catholic Church for 57 years. Again, later on when Christian Byzantines came to power, it was reverted back into Greek orthodox cathedral until the Ottoman rulers, Sultan Mehmed Fatih, conquered Constantinople in 1453. it was converted into
mosque. Usually, it was a custom of that time that whosoever conquer a land, had the authority to change the religious monuments into the religion of their own.

But still Sultan Mehmed II didn’t do that rather he purchased it. There are several documents available which states that Hagia Sophia was actually purchased by him. Since then it remained as a mosque until 1931. After the decline of the Ottoman Empire, General Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, took over Turkey and declares it as a secular state. He passed a verdict in 1934 that the mosque should be converted into a museum to make it as a symbol of secularism.

Hence, from 1935 till 11th July 2020, it remained as a museum for 85 years. The decision of Erdoğan to revert back to mosque attracts a lot of criticism, a section of the critics say that he has fabricated the symbol of secularism. Also, Hagia Sophia is counted in the World Heritage Sites of UNESCO hence, the decision led the transfer of it from the department of tourism to the department of religious authority of Turkey. Others say that Turkey is suffering from economic depression and so to divert the attention of the masses, the President took this decision.

But the critics are forgetting that Turkey is a Muslim majority country where 98% of the population follow Islam.

And so, for all these 85 years, the majority of the population was against the decision of Atatürk of converting the mosque into a museum and they have been filing several cases against this decision. The people of Turkey say that Mehmed II had purchased the monument so how come Atatürk change it into a museum? And they are right.

When someone purchases a property, it belongs to her/him and in this case also when it is clear that the monument was purchased by Mehmed II, then after the end of Ottoman Empire, it should have been gone under the supervision of religious authority of Turkey rather than converting it into a museum. Hence, on the basis of the documents which were used as an evidence that Mehmed II had purchased the monument, the highest authority of Turkey, the administrative court, passed a verdict that it was illegal for Atatürk to convert the mosque into a museum. This proves that the decision was taken legally and justly.

Now many of the people of India are comparing it with the Babri-Masjid case but if one analyze it deeply then one will realize that they are totally different cases. Babri masjid was demolished in December 1992 by the members of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), an extreme right group who believes in making Hindutav society. While Haghia Sophia was not destroyed, even its mosaic paintings were either plastered or were covered by metal during the reign of Ottoman Empire but they were not destroyed when it was a mosque. Secondly, on the other hand, in India, the Supreme Court itself accept that there is no proof that the Ram was born on that particular place.

In addition to this, the archeological excavation authorities of India also accept that they have not found any old temple remains beneath the site of Babri Masjid. Still, the verdict was passed to construct the Ram Temple on that particular place to not to hurt the sentiments of the Hindu majority nation. This is actually illegal.

Indeed, Hagia Sophia was built by Christians and it remained under them for 900 years in total but when it is purchased by the Muslim ruler then it rightfully belongs to the Muslim religious authority of Turkey even after the fall of Ottoman Empire.
(Author is studying a Masters in Development Communication at Jamia Millia Islamia)

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Babri Masjid and Hagia Sofia are totally different cases By Zainab Ashraf siyasat.net Recently the President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has reverted back the museum to a mosque which brings a lot of criticism from across the world. So, the question arises that why Erdoğan did this and...

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[Foinikas]

Is Pakistan a Christian majority country? You clearly did not take demographics into consideration.

Is Hagia Sophia of the same importance as Al Aqsa Mosque, you moron.
No its not.

Pakistan is a Muslim majority country.

You really don't get it,do you?

 

[MultaniGuy]

But which Sultant bought it? Fatih Sultan Mehmed II conquered the City and thus converted it by force. So whoever bought it,basically had no authority to buy it and donate it,other than the conquerors. It's like...let's say,the Pakistan government consficates a part of land and then Imran Khan "buys it" and donates it to the State. It's weird.

What's your point when an Ottoman sultan bought it.

You really don't get it,do you?

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You are still a moron. An Ottoman sultan bought the Hagia Sophia. Now shoo.

You have wasted everyone's time with your nonsense.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

But which Sultant bought it? Fatih Sultan Mehmed II conquered the City and thus converted it by force. So whoever bought it,basically had no authority to buy it and donate it,other than the conquerors. It's like...let's say,the Pakistan government consficates a part of land and then Imran Khan "buys it" and donates it to the State. It's weird.

Yes, he conquered the city by force. But he paid for the mosque. Did Hagia Sophia have a church section within the building before Erdogan's decision?

Anyways at personal level, I want good relations between orthdox people and Islamic world. Not sure, how or if or when that is going to happen. I briefly read about atrocities against Turks in Central Asia (by Russians), Greece, Cyprus, and other Balkan states. Turks are justified in being aggressive.

Lets hope for the best.

 

[Foinikas]

Yes, he conquered the city by force. But he paid for the mosque. Did Hagia Sophia have a church section within the building before Erdogan's decision?

Who did he pay? Where did he buy it from? The State no longer existed,it's like Israelis snatching Palestinian land and then saying "we bought it". It's ridiculous.

No,Hagia Sophia was the church,the entire building.

Anyways at personal level, I want good relations between orthdox people and Islamic world. Not sure, how or if or when that is going to happen. I briefly read about atrocities against Turks in Central Asia (by Russians), Greece, Cyprus, and other Balkan states. Turks are justified in being aggressive.

Don't go there because it will take us pages and pages on that subject. Turks aren't justified at all. But this chaos has been discussed in other threads and ended with thread lockings.