First tarawih prayer in Ayasofya Mosque after 88 years

[Foinikas]

Mosques in Spain were converted to churches.

Your point is? We have every right to convert churches into mosques in our lands.

It is under our sovereignty.

You don't have every right. Unless you want to be considered a savage conqueror and barbarian. There's something called diplomacy and respect.
You cry foul about the Spaniard,but the Ummayads had started converting churches into mosques centuries before the Reconquista. Churches in the Holy Land and elsewhere.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Are we going to have the same discussion
What do I care about Spain? They are a different nation and Catholics.

You keep bringing this argument again and again...Spain and Spain.

Hagia Sophia was not made to be a mosque. It is an Eastern Orthodox Cathedral. It was converted into a mosque after 1453. Having majority Muslim population in Turkey is irrelevant. India has majority Hindu population. Should they turn all mosques into Hindu temples,stables and warehouses?

It shows you are intellectually dishonest. Are Catholics Christians, yes or no?

If you say no, you are a hypocrite.

 

[Tabmachine]

Christians liberated their lands but you are invading thieves so don’t compare yourself to them please.

Man you're getting real pressed. Honestly you should go do something better with your time than sitting here talking to the people you hate so much. You literally hate almost everyone here lol.

 

[MultaniGuy]

You don't have every right. Unless you want to be considered a savage conqueror and barbarian. There's something called diplomacy and respect.
You cry foul about the Spaniard,but the Ummayads had started converting churches into mosques centuries before the Reconquista. Churches in the Holy Land and elsewhere.

What about the Mosque of Cordoba being converted into a church.

 

[Foinikas]

wrong analogy.
When Muslims conquered Spain, the Christians were already in a losing situation. Go check your history.

I doubt you are Iraqi. You must be a false flagger.


Catholics are also Christians.


Mosques in Greece were converted to churches

Your point is?

Which mosques were converted to churches? At most they were turned into museums or kept shut.

What does it matter if the Spanish were losing when the Arabs conquered them? They were invaders.

The one who looks like a false flagger is you. You have a picture of Musharraf as your avatar and yet you talk and act like a radical Sunni AKP fanboy.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Funny part is that when mosques are converted into churches in Spain and Greece, you stay quiet, but when churches are converted into mosques you cry foul.

Hypocrites!

 

[Tabmachine]

You don't have every right. Unless you want to be considered a savage conqueror and barbarian. There's something called diplomacy and respect.
You cry foul about the Spaniard,but the Ummayads had started converting churches into mosques centuries before the Reconquista. Churches in the Holy Land and elsewhere.

Well there is no precedent in either the case of muslims or christians where holy places tend to be left alone, with the exception of the integral places in Jerusalem etc. Even then it was the muslims who established the precedent of leaving the holy places of other religions untouched (in Jerusalem).

 

[MultaniGuy]

Which mosques were converted to churches? At most they were turned into museums or kept shut.

What does it matter if the Spanish were losing when the Arabs conquered them? They were invaders.

The one who looks like a false flagger is you. You have a picture of Musharraf as your avatar and yet you talk and act like a radical Sunni AKP fanboy.

Ruined mosques expose hypocrisy of Greece, a major critic of Hagia Sophia's reversion​

by DAILY SABAH WITH AA​

ISTANBUL Jul 15, 2020 - 11:51 am GMT+3







A view of the Sultan Hortac Mosque in Greece's Thessaloniki, which is not open to worship despite its good condition. (DHA)







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Even though Greece has criticized Turkey for reopening Istanbul's historic Hagia Sophia as a mosque, the situation of Ottoman-era monuments in Greece tells a different story, with most of them neglected, ruined or used for other purposes, which completely disregards their history.
Some mosques were converted into churches through renovations, while others were used as bars or movie theaters for "adult" films.
It is estimated that there are over 10,000 artifacts and monuments from Turkish-Islamic architecture in Greece.
While intense criticism was made by Greece over the opening of the Hagia Sophia for worship, the situation of Turkish-Islamic structures in the country merits attention.
On Friday, Turkey’s Council of State annulled a 1934 Cabinet decree that had turned Hagia Sophia into a museum, paving the way for its use again as a mosque after an 85-year hiatus. Before that, it had been a mosque for nearly 500 years.

Built in 1468 in Thessaloniki, Hamza Bey Mosque was used as a place of worship for a while after Greece gained its independence. In the following years, the minaret of the mosque, made of cut stone, was destroyed, the pencil works on the dome and the writing plates were removed, and the interlocking wooden pulpit inside was destroyed.
The mosque, owned by the National Bank of Greece in 1927, was later sold privately, divided into a shop and a cinema and used for showing adult movies until the 1980s.
The Faik Pasha Mosque in the city of Narda (Arta) in the Ioannina region was turned into a church after the population exchange between Turkey and Greece in 1923. It is known that the mosque, which was later abandoned, was used as a bar-pavilion in the 1970s. The mosque, which seems to have been built as the center of a complex in the 15th century, is now in ruins.
On the other hand, mosques and historical buildings in many important cities, including the capital Athens, Ioannina, Giannitsa, Crete, Larisa and Kavala, continue to share the same fate.
In Athens, where there is no official mosque open for worship, the oldest mosque, Fethiye Mosque, was used for many different purposes such as a military prison and warehouse after the end of the Ottoman administration in the city.
The mosque, located in the Roman Agora on the outskirts of the city’s Acropolis within the archaeological area, is believed to have been built during the reign of Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II and was used as a storehouse for historical artifacts until 2010. Fethiye Mosque is now used as an exhibition hall since the restoration works ended in 2017.
The Cizderiye Mosque, located a few hundred meters from the Fethiye Mosque, is in Monastiraki Square, one of the touristic places of the city. The mosque is kept closed for most of the year, serving as a ceramics museum for visitors from time to time.
There are no traces of buildings such as the Yeni (New) Mosque, Domed Mosque, İç Kale Mosque, Hüseyin Efendi Dervish Lodge and Hacı Ali Bath, which are among the Turkish-Islamic works in Athens and registered in the Ottoman archives as well as yearbooks.
Spain’s mosques used as churches
A similar situation has also occurred in Spain, a country with a rich Islamic heritage due to the rule of Muslims between 8th and 11th centuries, known as Al-Andalus.
Especially the Mosque of Cordoba, also known as The Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba, which is one of the most important Islamic heritages in the world, is currently being used as a monument while the cathedral part has the right to hold church services on certain days.
The mosque was built between the years of 786-933 by the Umayyad Caliphate. Once the biggest mosque in the world, the building was converted into a church and then a cathedral in the 13th century when Christians once again established their rule over the region. Over time, the mosque suffered significant damage with a major part of its minaret broken down and turned into a bell tower. Listed as a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1984, the structure was rebranded as the Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba and started to be used as a touristic spot with monumental status, while the cathedral part is still being used for church services from time to time.
Although the Muslim community in Spain has expressed demands to reopen the Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba for Muslim worship as well, these demands remained unanswered.
Another Islamic heritage site in Spain that was taken away from the Muslims for worship was a mosque in Alhambra Palace in Granada, one of the most visited historic sites in the country. Built in 1308, the mosque was converted into a church in 1492 and is still open to worship for Catholic Christians to this day.
Masjid al-Murabitin, one of the oldest mosques in the country located in Granada, was also damaged heavily in the 16th century and eventually reconstructed as a church named Alminar de San Jose. The minaret of the mosque was also turned into a bell tower during its reconstruction.
Catedral de Sevilla, aka the Cathedral of Saint Mary of the See, located in the Seville province, which is known as the biggest cathedral in the world, also hosts the ruins of Almohad Mosque, which was built in 1182 but destroyed in 1433 when the region was recaptured by the Christians.
Bab Mardum Mosque, also known as the Mosque of Cristo de la Luz, which was built in Toledo in 999, was also converted into a church in 1085 and currently is being used as a touristic monument.

Ruined mosques expose hypocrisy of Greece, a major critic of Hagia Sophia's reversion

Even though Greece has criticized Turkey for reopening Istanbul's historic Hagia Sophia as a mosque, the situation of Ottoman-era monuments in Greece...

www.dailysabah.com

You are a hypocrite.

Which mosques were converted to churches? At most they were turned into museums or kept shut.

What does it matter if the Spanish were losing when the Arabs conquered them? They were invaders.

The one who looks like a false flagger is you. You have a picture of Musharraf as your avatar and yet you talk and act like a radical Sunni AKP fanboy.

Musharraf is not that liberal, you Greek fanatic.

Which mosques were converted to churches? At most they were turned into museums or kept shut.

What does it matter if the Spanish were losing when the Arabs conquered them? They were invaders.

The one who looks like a false flagger is you. You have a picture of Musharraf as your avatar and yet you talk and act like a radical Sunni AKP fanboy.

How am I false flagger, you moron. I am a Pakistani and I have put up my flags honestly.

Probably you are the false flagger. What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum?

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Hagia Sophia Mosque to hold first tarawih prayer in 88 years - Türkiye News

Hagia Sophia Grand Mosque in Istanbul will hold its first tarawih, a special evening prayer performed during the fasting month of Ramadan, in 88 years as the Turkish Presidency of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) decided to reopen mosques in Ramadan following a two-year halt due to pandemic.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

MashaAllah. Let the haters hate

 

[Tabmachine]

Ruined mosques expose hypocrisy of Greece, a major critic of Hagia Sophia's reversion​

by DAILY SABAH WITH AA​

ISTANBUL Jul 15, 2020 - 11:51 am GMT+3







A view of the Sultan Hortac Mosque in Greece's Thessaloniki, which is not open to worship despite its good condition. (DHA)







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Even though Greece has criticized Turkey for reopening Istanbul's historic Hagia Sophia as a mosque, the situation of Ottoman-era monuments in Greece tells a different story, with most of them neglected, ruined or used for other purposes, which completely disregards their history.
Some mosques were converted into churches through renovations, while others were used as bars or movie theaters for "adult" films.
It is estimated that there are over 10,000 artifacts and monuments from Turkish-Islamic architecture in Greece.
While intense criticism was made by Greece over the opening of the Hagia Sophia for worship, the situation of Turkish-Islamic structures in the country merits attention.
On Friday, Turkey’s Council of State annulled a 1934 Cabinet decree that had turned Hagia Sophia into a museum, paving the way for its use again as a mosque after an 85-year hiatus. Before that, it had been a mosque for nearly 500 years.

Built in 1468 in Thessaloniki, Hamza Bey Mosque was used as a place of worship for a while after Greece gained its independence. In the following years, the minaret of the mosque, made of cut stone, was destroyed, the pencil works on the dome and the writing plates were removed, and the interlocking wooden pulpit inside was destroyed.
The mosque, owned by the National Bank of Greece in 1927, was later sold privately, divided into a shop and a cinema and used for showing adult movies until the 1980s.
The Faik Pasha Mosque in the city of Narda (Arta) in the Ioannina region was turned into a church after the population exchange between Turkey and Greece in 1923. It is known that the mosque, which was later abandoned, was used as a bar-pavilion in the 1970s. The mosque, which seems to have been built as the center of a complex in the 15th century, is now in ruins.
On the other hand, mosques and historical buildings in many important cities, including the capital Athens, Ioannina, Giannitsa, Crete, Larisa and Kavala, continue to share the same fate.
In Athens, where there is no official mosque open for worship, the oldest mosque, Fethiye Mosque, was used for many different purposes such as a military prison and warehouse after the end of the Ottoman administration in the city.
The mosque, located in the Roman Agora on the outskirts of the city’s Acropolis within the archaeological area, is believed to have been built during the reign of Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II and was used as a storehouse for historical artifacts until 2010. Fethiye Mosque is now used as an exhibition hall since the restoration works ended in 2017.
The Cizderiye Mosque, located a few hundred meters from the Fethiye Mosque, is in Monastiraki Square, one of the touristic places of the city. The mosque is kept closed for most of the year, serving as a ceramics museum for visitors from time to time.
There are no traces of buildings such as the Yeni (New) Mosque, Domed Mosque, İç Kale Mosque, Hüseyin Efendi Dervish Lodge and Hacı Ali Bath, which are among the Turkish-Islamic works in Athens and registered in the Ottoman archives as well as yearbooks.
Spain’s mosques used as churches
A similar situation has also occurred in Spain, a country with a rich Islamic heritage due to the rule of Muslims between 8th and 11th centuries, known as Al-Andalus.
Especially the Mosque of Cordoba, also known as The Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba, which is one of the most important Islamic heritages in the world, is currently being used as a monument while the cathedral part has the right to hold church services on certain days.
The mosque was built between the years of 786-933 by the Umayyad Caliphate. Once the biggest mosque in the world, the building was converted into a church and then a cathedral in the 13th century when Christians once again established their rule over the region. Over time, the mosque suffered significant damage with a major part of its minaret broken down and turned into a bell tower. Listed as a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1984, the structure was rebranded as the Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba and started to be used as a touristic spot with monumental status, while the cathedral part is still being used for church services from time to time.
Although the Muslim community in Spain has expressed demands to reopen the Mosque-Cathedral of Cordoba for Muslim worship as well, these demands remained unanswered.
Another Islamic heritage site in Spain that was taken away from the Muslims for worship was a mosque in Alhambra Palace in Granada, one of the most visited historic sites in the country. Built in 1308, the mosque was converted into a church in 1492 and is still open to worship for Catholic Christians to this day.
Masjid al-Murabitin, one of the oldest mosques in the country located in Granada, was also damaged heavily in the 16th century and eventually reconstructed as a church named Alminar de San Jose. The minaret of the mosque was also turned into a bell tower during its reconstruction.
Catedral de Sevilla, aka the Cathedral of Saint Mary of the See, located in the Seville province, which is known as the biggest cathedral in the world, also hosts the ruins of Almohad Mosque, which was built in 1182 but destroyed in 1433 when the region was recaptured by the Christians.
Bab Mardum Mosque, also known as the Mosque of Cristo de la Luz, which was built in Toledo in 999, was also converted into a church in 1085 and currently is being used as a touristic monument.

Ruined mosques expose hypocrisy of Greece, a major critic of Hagia Sophia's reversion

Even though Greece has criticized Turkey for reopening Istanbul's historic Hagia Sophia as a mosque, the situation of Ottoman-era monuments in Greece...

www.dailysabah.com

You are a hypocrite.


Musharraf is not that liberal, you Greek fanatic.


How am I false flagger, you moron. I am a Pakistani and I have put up my flags honestly.

Probably you are the false flagger. What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum?

Bro why are you hating so hard, let him say his piece and if you think otherwise politely share your opinion. It does you no good to assault him as you are doing. I am sorry Foinikas on behalf of my brother here.

 

[Foinikas]

It shows you are intellectually dishonest. Are Catholics Christians, yes or no?

If you say no, you are a hypocrite.

I'm dishonest and a hypocrite?

Are you kidding me? Lutherans are considered Christians too,Anglicans are considered Christians too,Evangelicals and Baptists are supposed to be Christians too. Do you know the difference between us? They are heretics and especially the Protestants have little in common with us.

Furthermore we're talking about different nations and historical places. One side of the Mediterranean to the other. It's like Indians converting a Mughal mosque into a Hindu temple and saying "Why not? The Indonesians converted our Hindu temples into mosques".

 

[Mujahid Memon]

What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum?

He is not a Greek. Most probably an alt ID of a well known commie

 

[Maula Jatt]

Man you're getting real pressed. Honestly you should go do something better with your time than sitting here talking to the people you hate so much. You literally hate almost everyone here lol.

yeah he is a full-blown hater- I have rarely seen him post anything that is not hating on some country, religion, people
just a general playa hatin nibba

 

[MultaniGuy]

I'm dishonest and a hypocrite?

Are you kidding me? Lutherans are considered Christians too,Anglicans are considered Christians too,Evangelicals and Baptists are supposed to be Christians too. Do you know the difference between us? They are heretics and especially the Protestants have little in common with us.

Furthermore we're talking about different nations and historical places. One side of the Mediterranean to the other. It's like Indians converting a Mughal mosque into a Hindu temple and saying "Why not? The Indonesians converted our Hindu temples into mosques".

Even if you ignore Spain, Mosques have been converted into churches in Greece or movie theatres.

Time to call a spade a spade.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

I don't think this was a good move personally speaking - we won't like a massive mosque turning into a church
same thing visa versa with orthodox church

if you don't want to make it a church- alright but at least be courteous enough to not turn it into a mosque
all it does is antagonize the other side

It was a Mosque for hundreds of years before Kemal