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First ships of P-15A Kolkata & P-28 Kamorta classes will be inducted into Indian Navy

Fair enough, but if its not such a big deal they should let Indian fanboys to take photos too. Not everyone can afford a trip on a cruiseliner! :lol:


Lol. All good things come at a price.
But I did not get my pics from a Cruise Ship. Had more legitimate reasons. And saved some money in the process.
 
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HYDERABAD: The joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Israeli Aerospace Industry to manufacture Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR SAM) and Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MR-SAM) has turned out to be a non-starter.

The long range missiles were to have been delivered to the Indian Navy by 2012 while the medium range missiles should be in the Indian Air Force weaponry by 2017. However, both the delivery schedules are way behind schedule and show no signs of meeting them even in the near future.

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DRDO officials are blaming the lack of progress in the joint venture due to lack of transparency and non-transfer of technology by their Israeli counterparts. And the recent trials that were conducted by the Indian defence organization failed to meet the standards of both the IAF and the Indian Navy. The entire cost of Rs 12,500 crore of the joint venture is being funded by India and the inordinate delay and lack of progress in the project has turned into a big cause of worry in the defence ministry.

According to sources, the LR-SAMs project was commissioned in 2006 and the delivery of the missiles to the Indian Navy should have happened by 2012. Similarly, the MR-SAM venture was signed in 2009 and the missiles are to be delivered to the Indian Air Force by 2017. Both both the projects are way behind schedule and show no signs of making progress.

"Frankly speaking, right now, not much is going on in the joint venture due to various issues between the two sides. Expecting Israel to share its technology with India is unfair. But such things should have been clarified before the joint venture was entered into," said an official.

DRDO is maintaining that it is because of the lack of transfer of technology that the trials conducted so far have ended up as failures. "Industries are merely getting the drawings as to how to produce certain systems and such things are leading to deviations from the laid down specifications because the knowledge to develop the systems is not being imparted," said sources.

DRDO officials are also attributing the delay to a complicated and long procedure involving shuttling between India and Israel for various stages of development of a system etc. The Hyderabad-based Indian defence organization also reportedly found itself helpless on problems in propulsion system and other related issues while a significant number of parts or systems are yet to be tested following a delay in manufacturing.

However, when quizzed on the issue, DRDO Director General Avinash Chander told the TOI that nothing was amiss. "Everything is going on as per the plan and development trials are on. We shall be able to deliver the MR-SAMs as per schedule. Right now, the contribution from India in the joint venture project is about 20% and would ultimately reach 80% in the final stages." Regarding the already delayed LR-SAM, DRDO officials declined to come on record.

MR-SAM, one of the major demands of the forces, is to have a range of 70 kms or so, and the IAF is banking on replacing its ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles with the MR-SAMs. But nobody is sure how long the wait is going to be, and whether the delivery will take place at all.

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yes i am a bit negative as we are not making any visible progress just due to faulty govt planning.
had we privatised and not set up behemoths like bel and hal we would have been far better.
thats why i say that giving rafale contract to reliance will be better than hal albeit under certain conditions and govt watch
 
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"Frankly speaking, right now, not much is going on in the joint venture due to various issues between the two sides. Expecting Israel to share its technology with India is unfair. But such things should have been clarified before the joint venture was entered into," said an official.

Look at this Moron..............after spending 12,500 crores to fund Israel R&D by starving Indian R&D, this retard is saying that expecting technology is "Unfair" :lol:

This is exactly what is wrong with India, DRDO and Indian Armed forces.

No idea what a contract means and how to enforce it. No spine or ability to enforce any contract.

They can only whine like children or capitulate by agreeing it is 'unfair'. Disgusting. :sick:

The same story repeats itself in every deal. Pak-Fa, Rafale, Israel, Vikramaditya, etc...............What a waste of money and resource. I would rather have the govt. waste money on Indian R&D and on Indian scientists and on Indian Industry than waste them on Israeli's and their companies. Morons.
 
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I thought that NLCA has the first flight many years ago.
It did.
But the aircraft hasn't flown for over a year now,because of major changes in design including a redesigned undercarriage.(This was done in "consultation" with Eurofighter)
 
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It did.
But the aircraft hasn't flown for over a year now,because of major changes in design including a redesigned undercarriage.(This was done in "consultation" with Eurofighter)

Are you saying that LCA was not designed correctly the first time around?
 
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So next year I am expecting atleast these big warships to be commisioned.
1. Ins Kolkata
2. Ins Kamorta
3. 1 OPV
4. Ins Arihant.
And various small interceptor boats and ships of many kind.


Arihant 2 will be more deadly. It will certainly have the power plant of atleast 50% higher power. i.e above 125 MW.

Are you saying that LCA was not designed correctly the first time around?

Not over all design but some subsystems. Landing gear was heavy. Now its weight is reduced.
 
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Arihant 2 will be more deadly. It will certainly have the power plant of atleast 50% higher power. i.e above 125 MW.



Not over all design but some subsystems. Landing gear was heavy. Now its weight is reduced.

Sounds like Arihant is a prove of concept sub. But its India's first nuclear sub so the first nuclear sub of a country is usually a prove of concept sub. India can then improve on this one and create a serial production version.
 
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Sounds like Arihant is a prove of concept sub. But its India's first nuclear sub so the first nuclear sub of a country is usually a prove of concept sub. India can then improve on this one and create a serial production version.

Improvement is a continuous process. We have constructed so many boats of same class but every new boat has substantially improved systems over previous one.
 
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Look at this Moron..............after spending 12,500 crores to fund Israel R&D by starving Indian R&D, this retard is saying that expecting technology is "Unfair" :lol:

This is exactly what is wrong with India, DRDO and Indian Armed forces.

No idea what a contract means and how to enforce it. No spine or ability to enforce any contract.

They can only whine like children or capitulate by agreeing it is 'unfair'. Disgusting. :sick:

The same story repeats itself in every deal. Pak-Fa, Rafale, Israel, Vikramaditya, etc...............What a waste of money and resource. I would rather have the govt. waste money on Indian R&D and on Indian scientists and on Indian Industry than waste them on Israeli's and their companies. Morons.
yup fools don't realize that we are contributing to just dual motors and navigation in the missile which is really not a big deal.if only we could make seekers.

but guess no point in telling ppl that the only thing we really contributed was money just like saudis
 
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If we plan to develop an Active or IIR seeker for a 150-250KM LRSAM from scartch on our own then which is more difficult Hardware or efficient software?
@gambit sir
 
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