First real Debate on Thar Coal. Dr Samar and Dr Farid

[greatsequence]

 

[greatsequence]

Engro also looks well. Dr Farid's scepticism was pretty much debunked.

 

[TechLahore]

Wonderful news that Engro found 2 BN tons of coal in their sector even though the initial estimate put the reserve at 1.6BN tons. And also that the quality turned out to be much better than originally estimated.

Thrilled to hear that the Geological Survey of China is involved in the project as well, and has confirmed the absence of free running water in the coal.

Engro First Phase 1200MW ($4BN investment), fully functional in 2016. Engro's block is good for 5GWs for 10 years. And that's just 1% of the reserve!

Dr. sahib's experimental Underground Gasification project first phase 100MW, starts producing in June, ramps up all the way in 2013. UCG based experiment. If it works, then this will be scaled.

Australian block - already allocated: 1GW project being run by Cougar Energy

UAE block - already allocated: 1GW project

UK block - already allocated: 1GW project

Turkish and Saudi companies have shown interest, but no blocks have been allocated. Engro and GoP will also be taking Thar related projects to China later in 2011 and will solicit further investment and interest from Chinese mining and energy companies.

In my view, all the naysayers thus far have been thoroughly refuted, not just by Dr. Mubarakmand, but by commercial companies like Engro, who have an excellent reputation. The two big claims were 1) that the coal can't produce the amount of electricity being projected and 2) the coal is not leveregable because it is either going to be too unclean or too low quality. I think we've gone beyond these two issues, now the question is whether UCG or open pit is the best technique, but that's secondary in my mind as both projects are proceeding in parallel on different blocks.

 

[Hyde]

Engro First Phase 1200MW ($4BN investment), fully functional in 2016. Engro's block is good for 5GWs for 10 years. And that's just 1% of the reserve!

agreed as always

1 minor correction) He said 5GWs for 50 years

Watch after 8 minutes 40 seconds

 

[Sinnerman108]

I think the biggest lesson to be noted from this debate is that of attitudes.

Stepping on toes is common, and it is just criminal how people have ruined
some excellent projects.
Dr Farid is the example and point in case, mind you he has not 10 % as bad as they usually are.

It is one thing that the project goes to ECNICC, getting a CDWP, DDWP approval in almost impossible, for one has to go through two major problems amongst others ...

1. Getting the numb skulls to understand what the project is, and to hope that it gets done in one life time.

2. Getting through the cuts and kick backs which they come to expect once a project nears approval.

The provincial and the federal government is full of A class A holes who need to defend their existence based only upon useless critique and lust for glory be it false.

I will quote an example of another real project when the time is right.