First image from the James Webb Telescope released

[Hamartia Antidote]

James Webb Space Telescope snaps new, super-spooky image of Pillars of Creation

"Thousands of stars that exist in this region disappear from view."

www.space.com

Webb’s Mid-Infrared Instrument (MIRI) image.

Webb’s Near-Infrared Camera (NIRCam) image

 

[Turingsage]

The pillars of creation.
Just beautiful

 

[epebble]

There must be another planet where life exists.

With the age of the Universe and the number of Galaxies, Stars in each galaxy, planets for each star, it is highly probable that not only life exists, but even intelligent life equaling or excelling humans exists and could have existed before (humans) but exists no more! Universe is more than 13 billion years. That is enough time for stars to get created and die.

 

[epebble]

If intelligent alien life exists, does that mean religion is irrelevant?

Why? Religion is human mind's attempt to answer questions for which we do not have good rational answers. Like, who created the universe, why am I here, what happens after death etc.,

I think so. What if the aliens have another religion? Oh man, then we know for sure this whole thing is a hoax

Aliens would likely have their own (many) religions. All rational minds will invent faith to describe what cannot be understood. If they are like us, they would also likely be having a plethora of faiths.

 

[Turingsage]

Why? Religion is human mind's attempt to answer questions for which we do not have good rational answers. Like, who created the universe, why am I here, what happens after death etc.,

All rational minds will invent faith to describe what cannot be understood. If they are like us, they would also likely be having a plethora of faiths.

EXCELLANTLY PUT.

Human minds are created inquisitive and with intelligence. They NEED answers to those difficult questions and need to invent the structure that appears to answer those questions.
Religion's invention also allows a framework of common societal intercourse that allows humans from vices dangerous to a prospering society with earthly and divine punishment and rewards.

 

[Indos]

Some members talking as if they are the most intelligent while religious people are dumb ?, so why human is so perfect ? Do they understand the human body that is made so perfect, the organ, the face, and others ?

Why nature makes so many variation like human with different face, different animals, different fruits, even the makes of Eve from Adam as reported by Abrahamic religion can now be explained by the cloning technology

Check the Quran verse in order, it is talking about Armagedon as Nebula is death star. Our Armagedon will come, but in some of stars (galaxy) it has already happened

 

[Indos]

I wouldn’t recommend you to bring Religion to this at the moment.

Why ?

Because it will be like forcing it on something that might’ve have got nothing to do with it.

By the time Sun starts to turn into a red giant, Earth will already be over 1000 C. Human civilization won’t survive long.

Day of Judgement has got to be something different than what we traditionally think of.

I mean, There are many factors that play a role here.

Is there alien civilization ?

If yes, Are they also answerable just like us ?

Will day of judgement be same for every civilization or just for us while others keep chilling/partying on Andromeda/other galaxies.


Point is, Let’s go with the flow and see what gets unveiled.

Your recommendation is your recommendation, I have my own opinion

Quran talks about the end of life, and of course when the sky turn red like those Nebula than there is no life anymore, those Quran verse talking about the end of life (Armagedon) and the reason of Nebula formation is matched.

But Galaxy can some how fix themselves and we will come back maybe after million of years of universe second revolution while our souls is in other dimention. The death star fixing themselves is now having some scientifical basis, but this is only my speculation

The verse doesnt talk about Day of Judgement, but Armagedon. There is other verse in Quran and also hadiths talking about Day of Judgement

Why does Alien civilization become your problem ? If there is Alien civilization than let God manage them, it is not our problem. Quran is meant for human, not for Allien. If God give human the direction (real religion), so God will of course give direction as well to intelligent Alien if intelligent alient does exist, just common sense, no need to write complex sentence to explain it

There is actually Hadith about the present of living thing outside our earth, I will try to bring it if I can find on the internet, this is just my memory based on reading hadith book quite long time ago

 

[Indos]

Check the Quran verse in order, it is talking about Armagedon as Nebula is death star. Our Armagedon will come, but in some of stars (galaxy) it has already happened

Cat Eye Nebula

Other nebulae form as the result of supernova explosions; the death throes of massive, short-lived stars. The materials thrown off from the supernova explosion are then ionized by the energy and the compact object that its core produces. One of the best examples of this is the Crab Nebula, in Taurus. The supernova event was recorded in the year 1054 and is labeled SN 1054. The compact object that was created after the explosion lies in the center of the Crab Nebula and its core is now a neutron star.

Nebula - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Surah Ar-Rahman - 1-78 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Ar-Rahman. The Surah was revealed in Medina, ordered 55 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Beneficent" in English and c...

quran.com

 

[epebble]

Why does Alien civilization become your problem?

It is never our problem. We can only observe and infer about it. Even if it exists, it is too far for us even to communicate. But all humans, since the dawn of civilization, have always wondered, Are we Alone. It is among the most fundamental human curiosities. That is why we are spending Billions of dollars on James Webb telescope, not to provide pretty wallpapers or screensavers.

 

[Indos]

Why nature makes so many variation like human with different face, different animals, different fruits, even the makes of Eve from Adam as reported by Abrahamic religion can now be explained by the cloning technology

The main differences between males and females are the X and Y chromosomes. Among humans, two X chromosomes make a woman, and an X and a Y chromosome make a man. However, there are other differentiating features between these chromosomes. Some differences include size, number of genes and even abnormal chromosome pairings.

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Well, I am not scientist, but I see God cloning technology is extracting X chromosomes from Adam to make Eve. (just my simple analyst despite I dont have knowledge about this)

 

[Turingsage]

Are we Alone. It is among the most fundamental human curiosities. That is why we are spending Billions of dollars on James Webb telescope, not to provide pretty wallpapers or screensavers.

I would only add that while that is certainly a question of some interest it is our understanding of star and galaxy formation and the desire to get as close to the images of the first starlight and galaxy formation. The science is more extensive.

 

[Indos]

It is never our problem. We can only observe and infer about it. Even if it exists, it is too far for us even to communicate. But all humans, since the dawn of civilization, have always wondered, Are we Alone. It is among the most fundamental human curiosities. That is why we are spending Billions of dollars on James Webb telescope, not to provide pretty wallpapers or screensavers.

Well I respond to Pakistani member who talk about Alien when he recommended me not to bring religion into this thread.

Curiosity is good, but what I want to say is that, whether there is intelligent Alient or not, it doesnt negate religion, particularly Islam.

There is no verse in Quran saying that human is the only intelligent creation of Him, God also discuss about Djin and Angel that are also intelligent, and God never said He only make human, Djin, and Angel as the only intelligent creation of Him

I have read whole Quran verses by the way

 

[epebble]

I see God cloning technology is extracting X chromosomes from Adam to make Eve. (just my simple analyst despite I dont have knowledge about this)

I am sure an omnipotent God did not spend time in a Lab working with pipettes and test tubes. He just willed it.

 

[Indos]

I am sure an omnipotent God did not spend time in a Lab working with pipettes and test tubes. He just willed it.

That is just analogy, how come you come with that simple thinking. God will work on His own way and will use system that He has made and proven Science is part of His systems (Sunnatullah), but how He made Eve from Adam, we dont know for sure, but cloning technology shows that is possible to do, even human can do it by human own process as human has limitation and not God, but so far human can only clone from female and made another female (because there is no Y chromosom in female-just my simple thinking)

 

[Turingsage]

but so far human can only clone from female and made another female (because there is no Y chromosom in female-just my simple thinking)

That is no longer true. You stick to what you BELEIVE and we will stick to repeatable replica table visible evidence gathered through a rigorous scientific method open to all to repeat.