First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan

[danger007]

And India cannot deploy all its jets against you coz of fear of two front war.So 700 jets suddenly becomes say 350 or 400 which can be neutralised by Pakistan.So back to status quo.

i don't understand your logic ... We have M2k, Mig-29 SMT, LCA , MKI ... We would send mix of jets ... MKI got long legs ... which it can travel around Pak and can attack from any corner ... many members here talk like IAF can't do anything just because jf 17 got low RCS ...

 

[jaydee]

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i don't understand your logic ... We have M2k, Mig-29 SMT, LCA , MKI ... We would send mix of jets ... MKI got long legs ... which it can travel around Pak and can attack from any corner ... many members here talk like IAF can't do anything just because jf 17 got low RCS ...

Didn't say that JF 17 is a big threat.My point is in past only pakistan had to be neutralised so our sheer numbers were overwhelming for them but with the chinese threat looming large which is even accepted by the defence think tanks by getting prepared for two front war.I think Pakistan cannot be overwhelmed right now with numbers.Although things could change after induction of Rafaele.

 

[danger007]

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Didn't say that JF 17 is a big threat.My point is in past only pakistan had to be neutralised so our sheer numbers were overwhelming for them but with the chinese threat looming large which is even accepted by the defence think tanks by getting prepared for two front war.I think Pakistan cannot be overwhelmed right now with numbers.Although things could change after induction of Rafaele.

in previous wars pakistan has qualitative edge over IAF as well Pak economy and Indian economy almost equal... which favors to PAF but now IAF holds qualitative and quantitative edge over PAF..

 

[shanis]

in previous wars pakistan has qualitative edge over IAF as well Pak economy and Indian economy almost equal... which favors to PAF but now IAF holds qualitative and quantitative edge over PAF..

nice joke .... edge, what kind of edge IAF ...
we have also a quality aircraft's, and thunder block 2 and 3 will give us more edge and if we need we can take aircraft's from china ... so just relex and drink cold weather, and try to go on roof and stay in fresh air because weather is also very fine...
Remember one things always ... india will not take edge over PAF ... because we have also quality with quantity,
F-16's 50/52 + thunder block 1 2 and soon 3 + j-10 b + mirages + F-7

i don't understand your logic ... We have M2k, Mig-29 SMT, LCA , MKI ... We would send mix of jets ... MKI got long legs ... which it can travel around Pak and can attack from any corner ... many members here talk like IAF can't do anything just because jf 17 got low RCS ...

so you mean to say your MKI got long legs and it can travel around PAK and can attack from nay corner so our F-16's thunder block 1 or 2 ... will sleep in Pakistan...... dont forget, F-16's 50/52+ almost same like your MKI 30 ....
just relex as i am saying ...drink cold water,

 

[danger007]

nice joke .... edge, what kind of edge IAF ...
we have also a quality aircraft's, and thunder block 2 and 3 will give us more edge and if we need we can take aircraft's from china ... so just relex and drink cold weather, and try to go on roof and stay in fresh air because weather is also very fine...
Remember one things always ... india will not take edge over PAF ... because we have also quality with quantity,
F-16's 50/52 + thunder block 1 2 and soon 3 + j-10 b + mirages + F-7



so you mean to say your MKI got long legs and it can travel around PAK and can attack from nay corner so our F-16's thunder block 1 or 2 ... will sleep in Pakistan...... dont forget, F-16's 50/52+ almost same like your MKI 30 ....
just relex as i am saying ...drink cold water,

i leave it to your wisdom. .. take care.. @That Guy

 

[kolinsky]

i leave it to your wisdom. .. take care.. @That Guy

I donot think india and pakistan will have any war again in the future. Also war between India and China. The biggest interest in the world is trading not war. Try to trade with your neighbour, that makes you a better person.

 

[kolinsky]

nice joke .... edge, what kind of edge IAF ...
we have also a quality aircraft's, and thunder block 2 and 3 will give us more edge and if we need we can take aircraft's from china ... so just relex and drink cold weather, and try to go on roof and stay in fresh air because weather is also very fine...
Remember one things always ... india will not take edge over PAF ... because we have also quality with quantity,
F-16's 50/52 + thunder block 1 2 and soon 3 + j-10 b + mirages + F-7



so you mean to say your MKI got long legs and it can travel around PAK and can attack from nay corner so our F-16's thunder block 1 or 2 ... will sleep in Pakistan...... dont forget, F-16's 50/52+ almost same like your MKI 30 ....
just relex as i am saying ...drink cold water,

MKI has too many impractical components. Why a fighter-bomber needs TVC, I never understand this.

Another thing I cannot understand is that, why you gays like J10B? Especially, J10B is not in service in China, I think PAF can not get the first one in next 5 years. The production has to met the demand of PLAAF first.

With the same protocol like JF17, I think PAF has a great chance to get a JF31. If PLAAF does not make a quick decision to the J31 prototype, the J31 may be released for international market. If Pakistan can invest a little money earlier and bring us to the 5G fighter international marketing, the chance to get J31 is really huge. Maybe we will say thanks to Pakistan for rescue our 5 generation fighter assemble line in Shenyang, and therefore we can keep two companies staying in 5 generation figter marketing. This time please use our radars, the industry will make AESA in cabbage price, if the market is big enough.

If PAF can accept a 5 - - generation of J31 block1, and a 5 generation J31 in block 2 in future, the time PAF gets the first J31 may be earlier than J10B. Just help us to push the J31 prototype, the return must be very nice.

 

[danger007]

MKI has too many impractical components. Why a fighter-bomber needs TVC, I never understand this.

Another thing I cannot understand is that, why you gays like J10B? With the same protocol like JF17, I think PAF has a great chance to get a JF31. If PLAAF does not make a quick decision to the J31 prototype, the J31 may be released for international market. If Pakistan can invest a little money earlier and bring us to the 5G fighter international marketing, the chance to get J31 is really huge. Maybe we will say thanks to Pakistan for rescue our 5 generation fighter assemble line in Shenyang, and therefore we can keep two companies staying in 5 generation figter marketing.

another delusional...

 

[kolinsky]

nce to get a JF31. If PLAAF does not make a quick decision to the J31 prototype, the J31 may be released for inter

another delusional...

I think this plan is more realistic than MCA from India. Any way J31 can fly.

 

[shanis]

MKI has too many impractical components. Why a fighter-bomber needs TVC, I never understand this.

Another thing I cannot understand is that, why you gays like J10B? Especially, J10B is not in service in China, I think PAF can not get the first one in next 5 years. The production has to met the demand of PLAAF first.

With the same protocol like JF17, I think PAF has a great chance to get a JF31. If PLAAF does not make a quick decision to the J31 prototype, the J31 may be released for international market. If Pakistan can invest a little money earlier and bring us to the 5G fighter international marketing, the chance to get J31 is really huge. Maybe we will say thanks to Pakistan for rescue our 5 generation fighter assemble line in Shenyang, and therefore we can keep two companies staying in 5 generation figter marketing. This time please use our radars, the industry will make AESA in cabbage price, if the market is big enough.

If PAF can accept a 5 - - generation of J31 block1, and a 5 generation J31 in block 2 in future, the time PAF gets the first J31 may be earlier than J10B. Just help us to push the J31 prototype, the return must be very nice.

yes you are right brother ... Pakistan need to go for j 31 now ... J 10b also not properly induct in china yet so J31 is the best choice for Pakistan with Jf-17 thunder block 1 2 and 3 ... with F-16's 50/52 +

 

[kolinsky]

yes you are right brother ... Pakistan need to go for j 31 now ... J 10b also not properly induct in china yet so J31 is the best choice for Pakistan with Jf-17 thunder block 1 2 and 3 ... with F-16's 50/52 +

J31 as prototype and 5G fighter, the key point is to accept a 5-- version first, it is anyway better than any 4++ G. We also have to protect the tech. A light version first is more realistic than a full 5G fighter. Choosing some tech already in use is also more practical for financial, political, technical reason. With the similar protocol like JF17, a J31-- in two years is more realistic.

 

[The SC]

J31 as prototype and 5G fighter, the key point is to accept a 5-- version first, it is anyway better than any 4++ G. We also have to protect the tech. A light version first is more realistic than a full 5G fighter. Choosing some tech already in use is also more practical for financial, political, technical reason. With the similar protocol like JF17, a J31-- in two years is more realistic.

(--) minus minus what? Can you please elaborate?

 

[kolinsky]

Another thing I cannot u

(--) minus minus what? Can you please elaborate?

-- means a degrade version. I mean use tech and parts in use is more feasible. The price is cheaper, but less risk. Fighters should be reliable and durable, especially in the war time. I never think MKI is a good jet, because it is really a prototype.

J31 is already a flying prototype, if PAF can accept the main frame , and choose the electronic equipment made in China not the whole world, e.g. some components from J10A, J10B, J11, or J16, maybe some components for J20. They are intensively tested components, so shorter time for integration, and the engineers in China understand them. The time to produce the first J31 for PAF will be greatly reduced. Even earlier than J10B, and 5-- generation fight is also better than any 4+generation, at least not worse. Shenyang bets on J31, but until now they donot see any output, the fee for researching is already sink cost.

If J31 is chosen for aircraft containers, J31 will be developed by the PLA Navy, more components will be available for PAF, and the J31 will be a long time supported project. Therefore, PAF benefits too. This possibility is very high. The size of J31 is popular size of fighter for aircraft containers, J15 is good, but to large, so the number of J15 is limited. A 5G. J31 is a good choice for navy. Kick Shengyang out of 5G. fighter producing is never a good choice for Chinese government.

 

[danger007]

MKI has too many impractical components. Why a fighter-bomber needs TVC, I never understand this.

Another thing I cannot understand is that, why you gays like J10B? Especially, J10B is not in service in China, I think PAF can not get the first one in next 5 years. The production has to met the demand of PLAAF first.

With the same protocol like JF17, I think PAF has a great chance to get a JF31. If PLAAF does not make a quick decision to the J31 prototype, the J31 may be released for international market. If Pakistan can invest a little money earlier and bring us to the 5G fighter international marketing, the chance to get J31 is really huge. Maybe we will say thanks to Pakistan for rescue our 5 generation fighter assemble line in Shenyang, and therefore we can keep two companies staying in 5 generation figter marketing. This time please use our radars, the industry will make AESA in cabbage price, if the market is big enough.

If PAF can accept a 5 - - generation of J31 block1, and a 5 generation J31 in block 2 in future, the time PAF gets the first J31 may be earlier than J10B. Just help us to push the J31 prototype, the return must be very nice.

Mki is air superiority fighter... fall into heavy weight category... get the difference first...

nice joke .... edge, what kind of edge IAF ...
we have also a quality aircraft's, and thunder block 2 and 3 will give us more edge and if we need we can take aircraft's from china ... so just relex and drink cold weather, and try to go on roof and stay in fresh air because weather is also very fine...
Remember one things always ... india will not take edge over PAF ... because we have also quality with quantity,
F-16's 50/52 + thunder block 1 2 and soon 3 + j-10 b + mirages + F-7



so you mean to say your MKI got long legs and it can travel around PAK and can attack from nay corner so our F-16's thunder block 1 or 2 ... will sleep in Pakistan...... dont forget, F-16's 50/52+ almost same like your MKI 30 ....
just relex as i am saying ...drink cold water,

PAF got edge over IAF until 90s... but it is tilted towards IAF favor... neither F-7 is modern nor PAF going to get J-10b.. i just compared the current inventory... otherwise we can include Rafales, Pak-Fa and FGFA... spend time go through various threads first.. PAF got 50 JF-17 blk1... block-2 about to role out, I don't know about the production rate nor have idea about 3 block, so i am not arguing on that part... MKI gonna touch 300 mark including Super standard.. I still stick to my stance... IAF holds Qualitative and Quantitative edge over PAF...

 

[thrilainmanila]

nice joke .... edge, what kind of edge IAF ...
we have also a quality aircraft's, and thunder block 2 and 3 will give us more edge and if we need we can take aircraft's from china ... so just relex and drink cold weather, and try to go on roof and stay in fresh air because weather is also very fine...
Remember one things always ... india will not take edge over PAF ... because we have also quality with quantity,
F-16's 50/52 + thunder block 1 2 and soon 3 + j-10 b + mirages + F-7



so you mean to say your MKI got long legs and it can travel around PAK and can attack from nay corner so our F-16's thunder block 1 or 2 ... will sleep in Pakistan...... dont forget, F-16's 50/52+ almost same like your MKI 30 ....
just relex as i am saying ...drink cold water,

first learn english then come back an argue