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First batch of license built T-90 tanks

ithink there is some confusion regarding this

there are some sites thats quoting that this does have shtora while some are saying that it doesnt.

like have::
T 90S - Main Battle Tank Developed by Nizhnyi Tagil - Army Technology
have not::
T-90 Main Battle Tank

to me its as clear as mud:frown::hitwall:

There is confusion if you consider the articles you have quoted. Basically the fact remains that Indian army did not choose the Shtora suite when making mods to the basic T-90.

Just google images of T-90M and T-90S. Observe the Turret and on the Russian tanks you will see two rectangular boxes on the sides of the turret, somewhat like covered headlamps. That is part of the Shtora suite. Indian T-90S tanks lack that part. So basically any pics that you may see of T-90 with such 'headlamps' are NOT Indian. I dont exactly know what replacement IA went for.

BTW check out image of the PA's Ukrainian made T-80UD tanks posted by Bezerk on these forums:
http://www.defence.pk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7626

See the "headlights" on the turret beside the gun in the above pic? That is the Shtora on the Pakistani T-80UD tank. Indian T-90S MBTs dont have such a thing on them.
 
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Ok before you lose your hair over some other over the top assumption about the presence of mere garlands.....let me save you some looks and help you out.....

Whenever we start anything new or buy anything new....Like cars..etc...in this case, T-90 tanks....we do a ceremony to bless them, sort of to start with a sound and auspicious footing.....
Feng-Shui of sorts....we call it Vastu Shastra....though I might be mistaken about the terminology....

Now whether it spews garland vomit or shells that make its enemies pinch a fast one.....thats for you to decide....Cant blame you if you dont like the way it looks.....Besides....do you think any of us care??

The flower garlands is also a Pakistani ceremony. Although we usually do it on weddings. The couple's car is usually covered in garlands. Except the windshield, hopefully...;) :cheers:
 
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New T-90 MBT's are not fitted with SHTORA (we consider thats an old tech :azn:) instead we using Saab LEDS-150. If anyone feels hard to find it out feel free to ask me.:cheers:
 
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New T-90 MBT's are not fitted with SHTORA (we consider thats an old tech :azn:) instead we using Saab LEDS-150. If anyone feels hard to find it out feel free to ask me.:cheers:

Can you please explain the working of those two? Dont the Russian tanks still get the upgraded Shtora suite?
I cannot find the exact reason as to why IA rejected the Shtora, can you please post the reason?
Thanks.
 
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Can you please explain the working of those two? Dont the Russian tanks still get the upgraded Shtora suite?
I cannot find the exact reason as to why IA rejected the Shtora, can you please post the reason?
Thanks.

Shotra is just a soft kill APS, India needs something having soft kill & hard kill capability, the Saab LED-150 does both the jobs, and future purchase of any other APS will also be having both most probably or hard kill APS only.
 
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BTW check out image of the PA's Ukrainian made T-80UD tanks posted by Bezerk on these forums:
http://www.defence.pk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7626

See the "headlights" on the turret beside the gun in the above pic? That is the Shtora on the Pakistani T-80UD tank. Indian T-90S MBTs dont have such a thing on them.

Just for record, this is not a Pakistani T-80UD, its Ukrainian. There has been up till now no image of any Pakistani tank shown to be equipped with Shotra APS. Just recently an Image of Al Khalid was shown equipped with a Shotra APS & rumor is that it is the upgraded AK, not the AK-II which most probably as rumored will have soft & hard kill APS system.
 
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Shotra is just a soft kill APS, India needs something having soft kill & hard kill capability, the Saab LED-150 does both the jobs, and future purchase of any other APS will also be having both most probably or hard kill APS only.
Jane's also quotes

Mongoose-1 is a shaped-charge munition that is designed to cut into incoming rounds from the side,
so that their resulting blast pattern is parallel to the line of flight. Compared with other hard-kill
systems that use a ‘metal storm’ of tungsten balls, this greatly reduces the chances of fratricide
against friendly troops who may be close to the vehicle.
 
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New T-90 MBT's are not fitted with SHTORA (we consider thats an old tech :azn:) instead we using Saab LEDS-150. If anyone feels hard to find it out feel free to ask me.:cheers:

ironman you are right ! i was confused from the info in this site -LINK


IDAS For Indian T-90 MBTs Selected

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Sweden’s flagship company Saab Group, which also owns Gripen International and late last January opened its representative office in New Delhi, recently won two significant contract awards from the Ministry of Defence, one worth US$24 million for supplying the CIDAS integrated all-digital defensive aids suite for the 16 armed Dhruv ALH helicopters now being built by HAL for the Indian Air Force (IAF), and the other for supplying the LEDS-150 active protection system (APS) for the Indian Army’s T-90S+ and T-90M main battle tanks (MBT). Presently, the DRDO’s Bangalore-based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) and SaabTech are co-developing the MILDS AN/AAR-60 missile approach warning system (MAWS), which forms only one component of the CIDAS defensive aids suite. The MAWS is of South African origin and was further co-developed by EADS ewation (Germany) and Grintek Ewation (South Africa) after decided to merge by 2001. This was followed by SaabTech taking a stake in Avitronics (part of Grintek). SaabTech now owns both the South African companies (Grintek and Avitronics) as well as the EADS-Grintek joint venture. Therefore, in conclusion, the prime contractor for supplying the CIDAS defensive aids suite is SaabTech. The CIDAS will also find its way on board the HAL-developed Light Combat Helicopter, whose first prototype will be rolled out this March. In addition, the CIDAS will also most likely be on board the to-be-upgraded Ka-28PL, Ka-31 and Sea King Mk42B helicopters of the Indian Navy, and also on the 60 armed Dhruv ALHs that the Indian Army will be procuring for its projected Combat Aviation Brigade, which will also be employed for vertical envelopment operations in support of expeditionary amphibious warfare campaigns. A version of CIDAS also exists for combat aircraft and will in all probability be selected for installation on board the Su-30MKI in the near future, since the Su-30MKIs lack on-board missile approach warning systems and laser warning systems. Another aircraft to be equipped with CIDAS will be the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) now being co-developed by HAL and Russia’s United Aircraft Corp.

The contract for supplying the LEDS-150 APS suite for installation on board 987 T-90 MBTs has been won against stiff competition, and follows the Army HQ’s issuance of RFPs on April 24 last year. A total of six companies (Israel Military Industries, RAFAEL, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and Germany’s IBD Deisenroth Engineering) were invited for submitting bids for supplying 1,657 APS suites worth $270 million. APS suites offered were Russia’s Kolomna-based KBM Engineering Design Bureau’s Arena-E, Israel Military Industries’ Iron Fist, RAFAEL Advanced Defence Systems’ Trophy, Raytheon’s Quick Kill, Saab’s LEDS-150 and Deisenroth Engineering’s AMAP-ADS. Eventually, the LEDS-150 was selected and its procurement contract was inked last month. The Land Electronic Defence System (LEDS) combines active signature management, soft-kill and hard-kill mechanisms to provide full spectrum active protection to armoured vehicles. Full hemispherical coverage is provided to detect incoming threats and alert the crew. When installed in full configuration, the LEDS-150 offers MBT-comparable protection to light and medium combat vehicles against engagement by weapons like RPG-7s, anti-tank guided-missiles, KE ammunition, mortars and field artillery shells. The LEDS-150 typically comprises laser warning sensors, ADC-150 active defence controller AD, a number of munition confirmation and tracking sensors, and high-speed directed launchers, which allow the combination of soft- and hard-kill countermeasure deployment capability to the platform, optional displays, and interconnecting harnesses. The hard kill feature of the LEDS-150 is characterised by its capability to physically destroy the efficiency of the terminal ballistic capability of attacking munitions without residual penetration of the protected vehicle. The hard kill system detects and tracks a single or simultaneous threats and calculates if the attacking munition will hit the platform or not. The system determines the best inertial intercept position and provides the slew and firing commands to the launchers. The Mongoose-1 countermeasure missile is launched at a predetermined time to intercept and neutralise the detected munition off-board at a distance of between 5 metres and 15 metres from the vehicle to minimise the collateral damage to own forces.
 
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I find something difficult to understand, though admittedly I am not very technical militarily like some of you veterans here.

If India can manufacture a complex pieces of equipment like a main battle tank, and a nuclear submarine, why cant we also make something like the Bofors on our own?

Is it something to do with accuracy needed over a much longer range which makes it a more technically sophisticated process?

This is in response to a newspaper article today (or yesterday?) stating that there is HUGE exercise on for purchasing the next generation of guns to replace the ageing Bofors ...... at some humungous cost to our exchequer.

Sorry for going a lil OT, but I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this.

Cheers, Doc

If i can put it thisway, its nothing but love for the "phoren maal " that has besieged the army and the air force all these yrs and some do reap too many suitable benifits to let off this affection.

While the Navy is moving toward rapid indigenisation and making hundred times more complex system like Nuke sub or A/c ...the rest of three forces have developed a habit made nit picking on indigenious products.

Its clearly matter of the different mind set prevailing in the forces.

The Army is grappling with far issues with current T-90, but it always prefers it over indian Arjun.They even hesitate to go for comparative trials even after ministry of defence's clear guidence.


Flaws in T 90 Main Battle Tanks troubles Indian Army | India Defence
 
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LOL....Let me ask you something....Do you guys also tie the lemon with 2-3 chillies at the bottom of the car....its like a "nazar utarna" or something like that..... I find that to be hilarious and ridiculous if I may say so myself....

Lemons, that's a new one!
It may be there, I never looked down there...;)

Some customs amongst desis I will never understand!!!

Indians and Pakistanis have a lot in common. Much as we both try to deny it sometimes...
 
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