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Where you Got this Idea that Western Media Praised you "The Australian News Paper" Cutting is All you got When People Asked For Facts From Pakistani's

There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had the upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.




    • BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[101]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

  • TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[97] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

Asia: Silent Guns, Wary Combatants - TIME




    • Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[20]
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.




    • English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[103]
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

PS:If you a Genuine Researcher of History If Will Easily Find Out that Real Facts Are Some what Different What you Study in you State Manufactured Books






Where you Got this Idea that Western Media Praised you "The Australian News Paper" Cutting is All you got When People Asked For Facts From Pakistani's

There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had the upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.




    • BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[101]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

  • TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[97] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

Asia: Silent Guns, Wary Combatants - TIME




    • Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[20]
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.




    • English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[103]
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

PS:If you a Genuine Researcher of History If Will Easily Find Out that Real Facts Are Some what Different What you Study in you State Manufactured Books




Indians love their baby Wikipedia, don't they?

many indians have said this before but i'll try one more time.

starting a war to capture kashmir and ending up successfully defending lahore by a hairs breadth is not victory.
victory is ticking the lines on your to-do list

The war started when India attempted its invasion of Lahore.

Operation Gibraltar was just a border conflict, it wasn't officially the war. In fact it was the 2nd border conflict after Pakistan's success in April 1965 in the Rann of Kutch where the first border conflict of the year occured.

War was declared when India crossed the international border.
 
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Indians love their baby Wikipedia, don't they?



The war started when India attempted its invasion of Lahore.

Operation Gibraltar was just a border conflict, it wasn't officially the war. In fact it was the 2nd border conflict after Pakistan's success in April 1965 in the Rann of Kutch where the first border conflict of the year occured.

War was declared when India crossed the international border.


We repelled an invasion by a nation that is 8 times bigger than us, has more resources and access to foreign high tech weaponary. That's what you call a victory.
 
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Indians love their baby Wikipedia, don't they?
Wikipedia is Just Collections of Facts the Reference of the the Original Source is Published With Data Itself.Likely I Mentioned With My Previous Post if you Improve your quality of research

Its Funny to See Pakistani's Posters when the Quote Same Sources From Wiki If its Suits their Narrative :disagree:
 
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They came to have lunch in Lahore but ended up nearly handing Amritsar over to us in a plate.

Wikipedia is Just Collections of Facts the Reference of the the Original Source is Published With Data Itself.Likely I Mentioned With My Previous Post if you Improve your quality of research

Its Funny to See Pakistani's Posters when the Quote Same Sources From Wiki If its Suits their Narrative :disagree:

Look buddy, I am a Wikipedia editor, and I know how it works and how indians dominate that site. Any sourced edits by Pakistani editors are quickly removed with POV accusations, while Indian sources are quickly accepted. Sources from Pakistani univ research papers are judged as non-neutral, whereas Indian university research papers are readily accepted.

They claim neutrality but the verbs used, all the conclusions they make along the way in the text and the way they write and structure the info is extremely biased and one sided. It includes a lot of the Indian POV and excludes massive amounts of Pakistan's POV and even makes assumptions abt Pak's POV
 
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Look buddy, I am a Wikipedia editor, and I know how it works and how indians dominate that site. Any sourced edits by Pakistani editors are quickly removed with POV accusations, while Indian sources are quickly accepted. Sources from Pakistani univ research papers are judged as bon-neutral, whereas Inian university research papers are readily accepted.
I Only See the Accusation in your Post Nothing Alse Wikipedia is Nor An Indian Based Site
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+pk0152)
Asia: Silent Guns, Wary Combatants - TIME
BBC NEWS | South Asia | The rise of Pakistan's army
The India-Pakistan War of 1965 - 1961–1968 - Milestones - Office of the Historian
Book sources - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They came to have lunch in Lahore but ended up nearly handing Amritsar over to us in a plate.
I Can Produce More Videos than You That To By Military Professionals
 
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They came to have lunch in Lahore but ended up nearly handing Amritsar over to us in a plate.



Look buddy, I am a Wikipedia editor, and I know how it works and how indians dominate that site. Any sourced edits by Pakistani editors are quickly removed with POV accusations, while Indian sources are quickly accepted. Sources from Pakistani univ research papers are judged as non-neutral, whereas Indian university research papers are readily accepted.

They claim neutrality but the verbs used, all the conclusions they make along the way in the text and the way they write and structure the info is extremely biased and one sided. It includes a lot of the Indian POV and excludes massive amounts of Pakistan's POV and even makes assumptions abt Pak's POV



Whattttttt!!!!!!!!!...........we are nearly 8 times smaller than india, have limited resources and less access to advanced high tech weaponary yet still nearly captured one of their cities??????........america, Russia and israel eat your heart out. You ain't got nothing on us. THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL VICTORY. THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL REAL WARRIORS.
 
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Operation Gibraltar was just a border conflict, it wasn't officially the war. In fact it was the 2nd border conflict after Pakistan's success in April 1965 in the Rann of Kutch where the first border conflict of the year occured.

War was declared when India crossed the international border.
so if india crosses LOC right now and captures p0k will you guys be ok with it? i mean its not the international border right?

Whattttttt!!!!!!!!!...........we are nearly 8 times smaller than india, have limited resources and less access to advanced high tech weaponary yet still nearly captured one of their cities??????........america, Russia and israel eat your heart out. You ain't got nothing on us. THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL VICTORY. THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL REAL WARRIORS.
just 8 times? no no its 80 times
and india has alien tech from soviets while pakistan imported stones from the US (which makes the worst stuff)
 
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All that just to prove that you may have defeated a nation that is 8 times smaller than you in some wars? A nation that has limited resources and limited access to high tech weaponary when compared to a monster 8 times it's size. This is the height of desperation. In it's many 1000s of years
of existence, india HAS NEVER EVER defeated a nation it's own size or bigger. Not even come close. China of 1962 will attest to that.
 
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'History in Pakistan has been badly treated'
excerpts from the article....

With Pakistan just two days away from observing Defence Day and marking the 50th anniversary of the 1965 war, historian and political economist Dr S. Akbar Zaidi dispelled ‘the victory myth’, saying that there can be no a bigger lie, as Pakistan lost terribly.

People are unaware of this fact because the history that is taught in Pakistan is from an ideological viewpoint, said Dr Zaidi during his thought-provoking lecture titled ‘Questioning Pakistan’s history’. “Students are not taught the history of the people of Pakistan rather it is focused on the making of Pakistan,” he said.Dr Zaidi who also teaches history at the Institute of Business Administration, Karachi.

Referring to the distorted history, he said: “With the celebration of the victory in the 1965 war round the corner, there can be no bigger lie that Pakistan won the war. We lost terribly in the 1965 war.”

He appealed to the attendees to read Shuja Nawaz’s book Crossed Swords that exposed the reality of the war.

'History in Pakistan has been badly treated' - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The publication from the Australian stating "pakistani Vicotry" has been thoroughly debunked. Back during the war times, Australia was a close ally of US, and so was Pakistan. Australia didn't have much relations with India and neither considered the other as friends. But Pakistan being close to US, the Australians had some favorable views on Pakistan. The report in the news paper was to say " the US allies won" and "Russian/Soviet/Communist allies lost".

There was never any Australian news reporter present on the ground to report and document the 1965 war as it happened. And all those who reported and documented the war, they all reported it to be stalemate.

And why it was stalemate? quite few years there was an exceptional article written. (Probably any Indian member here having link to it could paste here for everyone to read.)

Pakistan initiated the war to achieve set of objectives, but India repelled. At the time of ceasefire, most news reporters who documented the war agreed that India had the upper hand. Pakistan, the aggressor, was pushed to defend itself while India had repelled the attack. Now, why would a country having an upper hand would agree to a ceasefire?

The reason why Indian actually agreed to ceasefire was because of a particular miscalculation. It was reported to the political leaders by a military personnel (don't remember his name) that India had almost used it's war reserves of arms and ammo. And they couldn't go on fighting anymore, and hence the political leadership came under the pressure to agree on ceasefire.

While in reality, only around 14%(i'm not sure on the exact numbers) of the war reserves were used, and still India had huge war reserves that it could use and continue its war. It was a miscalculation that proved too costly.






 
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Strategically Pakistan army did the right thing to break pakistan into peices with the help of mukti bahini. Why i belive it was the right thing to did because after breaking of pakistan bangladesh economy is high than pakistan. Bangladesh growth is better than pakistan. Bangladesh literacy is hugher than Pakistan. All in all people of Bangladesh is in better position than Pakistan. Straegically endia is now sorrounded by power like Pakistan and slightly better power than Pakistan like Bangladesh and super power china.
Endia has to deal 3 front wars in near future.
 
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Strategically Pakistan army did the right thing to break pakistan into peices with the help of mukti bahini. Why i belive it was the right thing to did because after breaking of pakistan bangladesh economy is high than pakistan. Bangladesh growth is better than pakistan. Bangladesh literacy is hugher than Pakistan. All in all people of Bangladesh is in better position than Pakistan. Straegically endia is now sorrounded by power like Pakistan and slightly better power than Pakistan like Bangladesh and super power china.
Endia has to deal 3 front wars in near future.


CPEC will massively change all the above. Bangladesh will never go to war with india.
 
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Bangladesh is not stupid like Pakistan to go war with endia through militarily. There are many fronts for war against endia. Military is not the only way. CPEC will only favors China and to very little extent Pakistan. Only solution to Pakistan is rapid industrialization. Education reforms. Agricultural growty.

And isn't CPEC a prelude to just that? By the way I thought bangladesh loves india?
 
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