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Alexander the "great" was stopped in India and defeated and was forced to turn back. So clearly something worked.

But even from a preliminary reading of Alexanders recorded history one will notice that India was full of small kingdoms which enjoyed freedom and many of these "kingdoms' were in fact REPUBLICS ruled by free men. But they were no match for a much larger army of an organized EMPIRE.

This lead to a period of larger Empires in India.

Islamic invasion was unparalleled in its barbarity and brutality and did not obey any "rules" of warfare that was the norm in India. (ancient "Hindu" Geneva code). And it happened when the larger empire had again split into smaller kingdoms.

Even then Smaller kingdoms banded together to defeat the invasion. For three centuries from 712 AD to 1001 AD, Indian kings kept Arab invaders at bay.

Medieval history in India often begins with Mohammed Bin Qasim’s invasion of Sindh in 712 AD and quickly jumps to Mahmud of Ghazni’s invasion of 1001 AD. What happened in the intervening 300 years? Why did a power which had completely overwhelmed West Asia and North Africa in a matter of 70 odd years not make much headway in India for nearly three hundred?

From Kashmir’s Lalitaditya to the Chalukyan king Vikramaditya II in today’s Karnataka, an arc of resistance kept the invaders at bay for centuries.

End of the day Barbarians always manage to take over ancient advanced civilizations all over the world. Mongols took over China. Only they were FAR more assimilative, unlike the muslims.

Osama bin laden brought down Twin Towers.

Which is why we have learnt from history and do not allow ISIS or Al quida to find roots and prosper anywhere in the world. Because they hold the power to bring down great civilizations by the sheer power of their barbarity.



There is nothing to "debunk" since all knowledge of them has been LOST and only their brief descriptions remain.

Only a fool would consider Osama Bin Laden greater than US because he managed to bring down the WTC. Or ISIS to be "great" because it has conquered half of arabian lands.
Oh boy! Didn't know this round pan is square...

Alexander defeated!? Republics? Free people? From caste system perhaps? Geneva convention?

Last thing, since you seem to be the one in the know... what's the wisdom behind open defecation?
 
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Oh boy! Didn't know this round pan is square...

Alexander defeated!? Republics? Free people? From caste system perhaps? Geneva convention?

Last thing, since you seem to be the one in the know... what's the wisdom behind open defecation?

LOL. Why am I not surprised by your ignorance ?

Alexander’s troubles began as soon as he crossed the Indian border. He first faced resistance in the Kunar, Swat, Buner and Peshawar valleys where Hindu texts mentioned people called the Ashvayana and Ashvakayana, stopped his advance. Although small by Indian standards they did not submit before Alexander’s killing machine.

The Ashvayana offered stubborn resistance from their mountain strongholds of Massaga, Bazira and Ora. The bloody fighting at Massaga was a prelude to what awaited Alexander in India. On the first day after bitter fighting the Macedonians and Greeks were forced to retreat with heavy losses. Alexander himself was seriously wounded in the ankle. On the fourth day the king of Massaga was killed but the city refused to surrender. The command of the army went to his old mother, which brought the entire women of the area into the fighting.

Realising that his plans to storm India were going down at its very gates, Alexander called for a truce. The Assakenoi agreed; the old queen was too trusting. That night when the citizens of Massaga had gone off to sleep after their celebrations, Alexander’s troops entered the city and massacred the entire citizenry. A similar slaughter then followed at Ora.


After his "victory" over porus, this is what Plutarch says “The combat with Porus took the edge off the Macedonians’ courage, and stayed their further progress into India. For having found it hard enough to defeat an enemy who brought but 20,000 foot and 2000 horse into the field, they thought they had reason to oppose Alexander's design of leading them on to pass the Ganges, on the further side of which was covered with multitudes of enemies.”

The Greek historian says after the battle with the Pauravas, the badly bruised and rattled Macedonians panicked when they received information further from Punjab lay places “where the inhabitants were skilled in agriculture, where there were elephants in yet greater abundance and men were superior in stature and courage”.

According to Plutarch, the courage of the Macedonians evaporated when they came to know the Nandas “were awaiting them with 200,000 infantry, 80,000 cavalry, 8000 war chariots and 6000 fighting elephants”.
Undoubtedly, Alexander’s army would have walked into a slaughterhouse.

Hundreds of kilometres from the Indian heartland, Alexander ordered a retreat to great jubilation among his soldiers.



2. Here is a smaller education on Indian REPUBLICS. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ganas_or_Republics_of_Ancient_India


3. Hindus did not have a "Caste" system. "Caste" is a Portuguese christian word and is a christian system of "race". Hindus had VARNA system and JATI system.

4. Here is some education on Ancient Hindu rules of war.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/742713?seq=1


5. Indians were the first to invent and use Toilets and use plumbing. in 4000-3000 B.C.

The first copper water pipes were discovered by archaeologists in the Indus River Valley of India, dating back to 4000-3000 B.C.

indus_valley_main.jpg


Gonur_Tappeh5.jpg



And India today is 100% open defecation Free.

Can you say the same about pakistan ?
 
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LOL. Why am I not surprised by your ignorance ?

Alexander’s troubles began as soon as he crossed the Indian border. He first faced resistance in the Kunar, Swat, Buner and Peshawar valleys where Hindu texts mentioned people called the Ashvayana and Ashvakayana, stopped his advance. Although small by Indian standards they did not submit before Alexander’s killing machine.

The Ashvayana offered stubborn resistance from their mountain strongholds of Massaga, Bazira and Ora. The bloody fighting at Massaga was a prelude to what awaited Alexander in India. On the first day after bitter fighting the Macedonians and Greeks were forced to retreat with heavy losses. Alexander himself was seriously wounded in the ankle. On the fourth day the king of Massaga was killed but the city refused to surrender. The command of the army went to his old mother, which brought the entire women of the area into the fighting.

Realising that his plans to storm India were going down at its very gates, Alexander called for a truce. The Assakenoi agreed; the old queen was too trusting. That night when the citizens of Massaga had gone off to sleep after their celebrations, Alexander’s troops entered the city and massacred the entire citizenry. A similar slaughter then followed at Ora.


After his "victory" over porus, this is what Plutarch says “The combat with Porus took the edge off the Macedonians’ courage, and stayed their further progress into India. For having found it hard enough to defeat an enemy who brought but 20,000 foot and 2000 horse into the field, they thought they had reason to oppose Alexander's design of leading them on to pass the Ganges, on the further side of which was covered with multitudes of enemies.”

The Greek historian says after the battle with the Pauravas, the badly bruised and rattled Macedonians panicked when they received information further from Punjab lay places “where the inhabitants were skilled in agriculture, where there were elephants in yet greater abundance and men were superior in stature and courage”.

According to Plutarch, the courage of the Macedonians evaporated when they came to know the Nandas “were awaiting them with 200,000 infantry, 80,000 cavalry, 8000 war chariots and 6000 fighting elephants”.
Undoubtedly, Alexander’s army would have walked into a slaughterhouse.

Hundreds of kilometres from the Indian heartland, Alexander ordered a retreat to great jubilation among his soldiers.



2. Here is a smaller education on Indian REPUBLICS. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ganas_or_Republics_of_Ancient_India


3. Hindus did not have a "Caste" system. "Caste" is a Portuguese christian word and is a christian system of "race". Hindus had VARNA system and JATI system.

4. Here is some education on Ancient Hindu rules of war.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/742713?seq=1


5. Indians were the first to invent and use Toilets and use plumbing. in 4000-3000 B.C.

The first copper water pipes were discovered by archaeologists in the Indus River Valley of India, dating back to 4000-3000 B.C.

indus_valley_main.jpg


Gonur_Tappeh5.jpg



And India today is 100% open defecation Free.

Can you say the same about pakistan ?
I'm sorry, you claimed Alexander was defeated... was he? He was provided a fierce fight but no unearthly technology seems to have made it's round. Alexander's men were already not willing to proceed further but the guy was stubborn, however he relented and returned, undefeated!

Republic? Really? Based on a translation of Mahabharata... which was itself written under a "king" is this real scholarship or brain farts?

And an essay of hindu code of war? Just like hinduism itself, making it up as you go... did they follow it as they exterminated or coopted other local religions and kingdoms?

I thought open defecation had some wily wisdom behind it but you brought IVC in the mix which had nothing to do with hinduism...
 
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I'm sorry, you claimed Alexander was defeated... was he? He was provided a fierce fight but no unearthly technology seems to have made it's round. Alexander's men were already not willing to proceed further but the guy was stubborn, however he relented and returned, undefeated!

Republic? Really? Based on a translation of Mahabharata... which was itself written under a "king" is this real scholarship or brain farts?

And an essay of hindu code of war? Just like hinduism itself, making it up as you go... did they follow it as they exterminated or coopted other local religions and kingdoms?

I thought open defecation had some wily wisdom behind it but you brought IVC in the mix which had nothing to do with hinduism...

1. There is not a SINGLE Hindu, buddhist or Jain history text that mentions either Alexander or his "victory".

For all matter he is insignificant and irrelevant in Indian history and historical context.

Even his "victory" against porus is suspect since Porus remained the KING of his own land. This is significant since no other king alexander defeated got to rule his own kingdom. This "victory" is claimed ONLY by alexander and NO OTHER Indian historian or history text.

Why would a "defeated" king continue to rule his own land ? :cheesy: Especially since Alexander had NO HISOTRY of doing this Before or After Porus.

So its clear he did not "defeat" porus but probably signed a TRUCE and Treaty with him. So yes its a DEFEAT for a man who went about to CONQUER the known world.

2. India has been largely Republic right from 600 BC and has been recorded in MULTIPLE books. In Buddhists texts and Jain Texts and in Hindu texts and by Alexander own historians and by chinese texts.

These republics were divided into the following three categories:

a. Democracies or pure Gana, wherein the total adult-population participated in the administration;

b. Aristocracies or pure Kula, wherein only some selected families participated in the administration; and

c. Mixed aristocracies and democracies or a mixure of Kula and Gana, wherein the administration was the mixure of the two.

Your ignorance is not my burden, its yours.

3. Hindu code of war was the code of Kshatriyas the ruling class of India and it was practiced by EVERY Kshatriya in India and every Dharmic Kingdom in India.

4. Here is ancient Indian plumbing and aquaduct from south India. Also its Saraswati civilization and not IVC.

bukka-s-aqueduct.jpg


aqueducts-and-canals-hampi-wiki.jpg


Here is a inscription of the Vaikunda Perumal Temple in Uthiramerur, Tamil Nadu that explains how constitutions were laid for democratic administration and also about electoral systems etc.,

Uthiramerur%2BKudavolai.jpg

Uthiramerur%2BInscriptions%2Bon%2BChola%2BKudavolai%2BElection%2BSystem.jpg


Uthiramerur%2BKalvettu%2Bdetails.jpg



This inscription, dated around 920 A.D. But its clear that this system of self governance existed before long.

These inscriptions clearly indicate how intolerant civil society was against corrupt practices and the violators of ethical framework.

nov24-11-uthiramerur(1).jpg


This is what the inscription states,

"The members of a Saba were elected by the whole community of the village by a system peculiarly known as 'Kuda Olai' system (Kudam-Pot and Olai-Palm leaf).

“The village was divided into wards called 'Kudumbus', and every ward had to write the eligible person's names on the palm leaves. The bundle of palm leaves was emptied in a pot. The member was chosen by draw of lots."

The most important point to note here was the issuance of strict guidelines by the rulers. Inscriptions give fair indication of the clarity of thought and zero tolerance towards financial bungling.


"The crimes committed by the members of the Saba are divided into three categories. The swindling of funds or public property and those who failed to submit their accounts have been considered as crime number two. Such members were not eligible to contest the Saba election for life long.

Not only they but their relatives too could not contest elections, like children, in-laws, brothers and their children, grand -parents, grand- children, relations through wife etc., nearly for three generations. They were called as 'Grama Dhurogis'.

There were established codes of conduct laid down for the Saba members as found in an inscription from Mannur village of Tirunelveli district. Among them, the most interesting one relates to obstructing the political processes or functioning of the Saba deliberately.

In such cases a penalty of five Kasu (the prevailing currency) was imposed for every such act of mis-conduct, on such members. Yet they were permitted to stay and participate in the proceedings of the Saba. Generally, the Kings' orders were executed by passing in the Saba.

To prevent political power getting concentrated in one family leading to dynastic tendencies, rules were framed. "According to this rule, the present members of the Saba cannot contest the election for next 2 to 10 years. In the same way none of their relatives should have contested for the past five years if one wanted to contest for membership of Saba.

“There is also a sub rule to provide equal opportunity for everybody stipulating induction of two new members without any previous experience as members of the Saba."

The Sabas had to be dissolved before the election of the new one and the elections were generally conducted by the village accountant and a judge called 'Madyasthan'. In the public services there were no holidays and therefore no one in authority could neglect public duty.

"It was categorically mentioned that the elected members should provide their service for 360 days. The elected members' term of office was only one year and automatically should resign after completion of the term."

They also actively practised the right to recall. "In those days if an elected member of the Saba committed a crime or violated law, he was immediately sacked. Such has been our rich and exemplary past."


There is another inscription from Pallipakkam village of Tanjore in Tamil Nadu belonging to the rule of Parantaka Chola I
 
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Oh boy! Didn't know this round pan is square...

Alexander defeated!? Republics? Free people? From caste system perhaps? Geneva convention?

Last thing, since you seem to be the one in the know... what's the wisdom behind open defecation?
Kolay gelsin...let it be easy on you...

Unfortunately, you have to put up with them as neighbors till the Roz-i Kiyamet!!! How're you goanna manage it is beyond me...

There must be some "deep philosophy" behind Satidaha (widow putting into the same fire as the husband), Kulin (one Brahmin marrying hundreds of girls - each staying in her father's place while the Brahmin functions as a traveling husband moving from one wife's place to another) etc.!!! The British stopped them, not the Muslim rulers....

And, Modi - the internationally renowned genocide instigator and executer - is their highly popular elected PM, who definitely knows and follows the "Hindu code of war"...
 
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1. There is not a SINGLE Hindu, buddhist or Jain history text that mentions either Alexander or his "victory".

For all matter he is insignificant and irrelevant in Indian history and historical context.

Even his "victory" against porus is suspect since Porus remained the KING of his own land. This is significant since no other king alexander defeated got to rule his own kingdom. This "victory" is claimed ONLY by alexander and NO OTHER Indian historian or history text.

Why would a "defeated" king continue to rule his own land ? :cheesy: Especially since Alexander had NO HISOTRY of doing this Before or After Porus.

So its clear he did not "defeat" porus but probably signed a TRUCE and Treaty with him. So yes its a DEFEAT for a man who went about to CONQUER the known world.

2. India has been largely Republic right from 600 BC and has been recorded in MULTIPLE books. In Buddhists texts and Jain Texts and in Hindu texts and by Alexander own historians and by chinese texts.

These republics were divided into the following three categories:

a. Democracies or pure Gana, wherein the total adult-population participated in the administration;

b. Aristocracies or pure Kula, wherein only some selected families participated in the administration; and

c. Mixed aristocracies and democracies or a mixure of Kula and Gana, wherein the administration was the mixure of the two.

Your ignorance is not my burden, its yours.

3. Hindu code of war was the code of Kshatriyas the ruling class of India and it was practiced by EVERY Kshatriya in India and every Dharmic Kingdom in India.

4. Here is ancient Indian plumbing and aquaduct from south India. Also its Saraswati civilization and not IVC.

bukka-s-aqueduct.jpg


aqueducts-and-canals-hampi-wiki.jpg


Here is a inscription of the Vaikunda Perumal Temple in Uthiramerur, Tamil Nadu that explains how constitutions were laid for democratic administration and also about electoral systems etc.,

Uthiramerur%2BKudavolai.jpg

Uthiramerur%2BInscriptions%2Bon%2BChola%2BKudavolai%2BElection%2BSystem.jpg


Uthiramerur%2BKalvettu%2Bdetails.jpg



This inscription, dated around 920 A.D. But its clear that this system of self governance existed before long.

These inscriptions clearly indicate how intolerant civil society was against corrupt practices and the violators of ethical framework.

nov24-11-uthiramerur(1).jpg


This is what the inscription states,

"The members of a Saba were elected by the whole community of the village by a system peculiarly known as 'Kuda Olai' system (Kudam-Pot and Olai-Palm leaf).

“The village was divided into wards called 'Kudumbus', and every ward had to write the eligible person's names on the palm leaves. The bundle of palm leaves was emptied in a pot. The member was chosen by draw of lots."

The most important point to note here was the issuance of strict guidelines by the rulers. Inscriptions give fair indication of the clarity of thought and zero tolerance towards financial bungling.


"The crimes committed by the members of the Saba are divided into three categories. The swindling of funds or public property and those who failed to submit their accounts have been considered as crime number two. Such members were not eligible to contest the Saba election for life long.

Not only they but their relatives too could not contest elections, like children, in-laws, brothers and their children, grand -parents, grand- children, relations through wife etc., nearly for three generations. They were called as 'Grama Dhurogis'.

There were established codes of conduct laid down for the Saba members as found in an inscription from Mannur village of Tirunelveli district. Among them, the most interesting one relates to obstructing the political processes or functioning of the Saba deliberately.

In such cases a penalty of five Kasu (the prevailing currency) was imposed for every such act of mis-conduct, on such members. Yet they were permitted to stay and participate in the proceedings of the Saba. Generally, the Kings' orders were executed by passing in the Saba.

To prevent political power getting concentrated in one family leading to dynastic tendencies, rules were framed. "According to this rule, the present members of the Saba cannot contest the election for next 2 to 10 years. In the same way none of their relatives should have contested for the past five years if one wanted to contest for membership of Saba.

“There is also a sub rule to provide equal opportunity for everybody stipulating induction of two new members without any previous experience as members of the Saba."

The Sabas had to be dissolved before the election of the new one and the elections were generally conducted by the village accountant and a judge called 'Madyasthan'. In the public services there were no holidays and therefore no one in authority could neglect public duty.

"It was categorically mentioned that the elected members should provide their service for 360 days. The elected members' term of office was only one year and automatically should resign after completion of the term."

They also actively practised the right to recall. "In those days if an elected member of the Saba committed a crime or violated law, he was immediately sacked. Such has been our rich and exemplary past."


There is another inscription from Pallipakkam village of Tanjore in Tamil Nadu belonging to the rule of Parantaka Chola I
Pardon my ignorance. But I'd rather abstain myself from alternate history and alternate facts. While you go right ahead as I think it serves you right, doesn't it?
I for one don't feel the need to prop up innuendo to serve my ego.

Because, even if I or anyone agrees with alternate history it doesn't translate into reality nor current predicament of Indians except to salvage a bruised ego. Good luck!
 
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Pardon my ignorance. But I'd rather abstain myself from alternate history and alternate facts. While you go right ahead as I think it serves you right, doesn't it?
I for one don't feel the need to prop up innuendo to serve my ego.

Because, even if I or anyone agrees with alternate history it doesn't translate into reality nor current predicament of Indians except to salvage a bruised ego. Good luck!

There is nothing to pardon since ignorance, bigotry and propaganda is your natural habitat and you would rather dwell in those comfort, rather than face reality and Facts and truth.

Everything I have said is based on Facts, evidence and documentations. Everything you have claimed is based on pure PROPAGANDA written by christian missionaries and colonial invaders desirous of subverting Facts to suit their own agenda. (stuff like "caste", "Aryan invasion", "Sati" etc.)

Exposing Lies and propaganda is in the service of TRUTH and not Ego. Even if it is for ego, its no different from you posting LIES just to satisfy your bruised ego.

As for the current state of India and Indians, it has been the best we had for at least a 1000 years so I have nothing to complain. Can you say the same ? as a pakistani or as an American ? lol.
 
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James Webb space telescope was designed by an Indian entire political science major Dr Narendra modishwara
 
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What do you expect from a nation that was too busy protecting the cow rather than fighting invaders.
it wasn't their mother then. they sacrificed it and ate it in them days.

You forgot Radar Wave theory
you forgot plastic surgery and organ transplants. lord ganesh lost his head over something and them brilliant bharatis caught a passing elephant and took its head and transplanted it on to him. if you don't believe me ask Prof. Modi (who has degrees in entire sciences)
 
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you forgot plastic surgery and organ transplants. lord ganesh lost his head over something and them there brilliant bharatis caught a passing elephant and took its head and transplanted it on to him. if you don't believe me ask Prof. Modi (who has degrees in entire sciences)

It is a misfortune of Asia, and a sort of discrimination, against it, by the west, that Professor Modi has not yet been awarded with Nobel Prize, for Physics, for his innummerable contributions, in this field.:lol:
 
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you forgot plastic surgery and organ transplants. lord ganesh lost his head over something and them brilliant bharatis caught a passing elephant and took its head and transplanted it on to him. if you don't believe me ask Prof. Modi (who has degrees in entire sciences)
You forget to includes that they invented Vinama (UFO), Internet, Cell Phone etc etc in ancient Vedic Civilization (5000-10000 year ago)
 
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You forget to includes that they invented Vinama (UFO), Internet, Cell Phone etc etc in ancient Vedic Civilization (5000-10000 year ago)

Yes. And, rather, these Sanghis and Bhakts initiated the Big Bang, under their sacred supervision.:lol:
 
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Yes. And, rather, these Sanghis and Bhakts initiated the Big Bang, under their sacred supervision.:lol:
They have also USS ENTERPRISE like weapon called TEJ@$$ which is capable to travel faster then light speed (Wrap drive)sir:enjoy:
 
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