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Female tutor, 39, who got AstraZeneca as 2nd jab after Sinovac, dies

Here's one Pfizer made earlier. :-)

'WASHINGTON – American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together "Pfizer") have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products, the Justice Department announced today. '


Pfizer didn't develop mRNA. BioNTech did. Pfizer only markets it. In China it is branded Fosun, not Pfizer.
 
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There are unknowns about the vaccines.

Of course.

But tell me, what's the alternative?

Look at the data just in the US.

States that are vaccinated.

And the ones that aren't as much.

i.e. compare Mississippi to Vermont

Don't take my word for it.

Google the difference.

Again I ask you?

What is the solution to COVID?

Here is one idea.


'The Great Braintree declaration' calls for focused protection of the vulnerable. If your a doctor you would no this better than me. Vitamin D, with zinc to build up immunity. The HCQ or Ivermectin as a propholactic.

I say again, mass vaccination with an untested gene therapy drug, for a virus the vast majority of people have no danger from is insanity.
 
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Covid is not dangerous. Death rate is 1%, and the people who died are really old people like 80s, 90s, 100s, people with AIDS, people with cancer.
For someone who lives in Canada you should know our youngest death from COVID was an infant...barely few days old.

I don't agree with living in fear, but I don't agree with just winging it as your comment suggests.

Canada should grow some balls and make the vaccine mandatory. Our freedoms end where the risk to other people's health begins.
 
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Here is one idea.


'The Great Braintree declaration' calls for focused protection of the vulnerable. If your a doctor you would no this better than me. Vitamin D, with zinc to build up immunity. The HCQ or Ivermectin as a propholactic.

I say again, mass vaccination with an untested gene therapy drug, for a virus the vast majority of people have no danger from is insanity.

None of what you are suggesting works.

For the public good, people need to get vaccinated.

Anyone can put out anything on the internet.

Everyone has an opinion on Facebook.

I'm gonna go with the majority of the orthodox scientific community.
 
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None of what you are suggesting works.

For the public good, people need to get vaccinated.

Anyone can put out anything on the internet.

Everyone has an opinion on Facebook.

I'm gonna go with the majority of the orthodox scientific community.

'The Great braintree declaration' is signed by professors from Oxford, Harvard and Yale. And by thousands of academics and medical professionals. If that isn't mainstream science tell me what is.

As always, make your own choices.
 
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'The Great braintree declaration' is signed by professors from Oxford, Harvard and Yale. And by thousands of academics and medical professionals. If that isn't mainstream science tell me what is.

As always, make your own choices.



5 failings of the Great Barrington Declaration’s dangerous plan for COVID-19 natural herd immunity

November 2, 2020 5.34pm EST

Author
  1. Stephen L Archer
    Professor, Head of Department of Medicine, Queen's University, Ontario
Disclosure statement
Stephen L Archer does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.

Good science and sound public health policy are needed to guide us through a pandemic that will likely continue throughout 2021. Public buy-in is essential for long-term adherence to effective public health measures such as wearing masks in indoor spaces, hand washing, maintaining physical distancing and staying home when sick.

These measures can control case spread but, let’s face it, they are no fun. Even harder to weather are the intermittent closures of businesses and schools in response to local pandemic spikes.
We have never been in more need of coherent and consistent messaging from the medical professionals, scientists, public health agencies and the government. Unfortunately, reckless messaging by some doctors and scientists is feeding mistrust of public health policies.
Infectious bad ideas called cognogens readily spread in our stressed pandemic environment. One such cognogen, the Great Barrington Declaration , is causing harm. The declaration takes its name from Great Barrington, a Massachusetts resort town. This declaration, signed by 12,000 people, is sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think-tank.

The declaration begins with the false premise that governments intend to lock down society, and cherry-picks facts (for example, that COVID-19 infections are mild in healthy people). It states:
“Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk.”
The 5 flaws

1. It creates a false dichotomy. The declaration rhetoric offers a false choice between a wholesale return to our pre-pandemic lives (which is objectively dangerous) versus a total lockdown (which no one advocates). Across Canada, schools, daycares and businesses are open and we are providing health care for patients who suffer from non-COVID-19 diseases. Timothy Caulfield, Canada Research Chair in health law and policy, notes that it’s not a binary choice between the Barrington perspective and full lockdown, and that governments are striving to balance public health with economic recovery.
This is true in Ontario where, after the first COVID-19 peak, the province reopened in three stages, guided by epidemiology.

2. The Barrington declaration gives oxygen to fringe groups. The signatories did not intend to support such fringe groups, but their rhetoric invalidates public health policy and feeds the 19 per cent of North Americans who don’t trust public health officials

When physicians and scientists sign on to the declaration they support the fears of an increasingly anxious public and fuel conspiracy theories. This is even more dangerous in America with a president that many people view as divisive, and fringe groups such as the paramilitary Oath Keepers and QAnon.
A man in a red T-shirt holds up a letter Q illustrated with stars and stripes.
A QAnon follower holds a Q sign while waiting in line with others to enter a Trump rally on Aug. 2, 2018, in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

3. The Barrington declaration puts individual preference far above public good. The declaration advocates that, “individual people, based upon their own perception of their risk of dying from COVID-19 and other personal circumstances, personally choose the risks, activities and restrictions they prefer.”
If these views were applied to traffic safety, chaos would ensue as we each chose our own speed limit and which side of the road to drive on. Public health matters, and the approach of the declaration to place ideology over facts helps fuel the pandemic.

4. The declaration misunderstands herd immunity. Herd immunity occurs when a large enough proportion of the population has immunity, usually more than 70 per cent. Viral spread is then slowed because the virus largely encounters immune people. Herd immunity can be safely achieved by vaccines, but in order to “naturally” develop herd immunity, people must first survive the infection.
Despite more than nine million cases in the United States, less than 10 per cent of Americans have COVID-19 antibodies. Even if true caseloads were 10-fold greater than recognized, 94 per cent of people remain susceptible and, if rapidly infected, would swamp the health-care system and lead to many avoidable deaths.
The declaration’s approach amounts to a global chickenpox party, a historical means of generating immunity to the varicella-zoster virus that causes chickenpox. Healthy children were put in close contact with an infected child so that all became infected with chickenpox.
Unfortunately, even some healthy children suffered severe complications and unintended people were often infected. At least with chickenpox there was no risk of epidemic spread because society had herd immunity (which we lack for COVID-19).

5. The declaration offers no details on how it would protect the vulnerable. In Ontario, more than 60 per cent of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in residents of nursing homes and long-term care (LTC) facilities. COVID-19 is imported into LTCs from the community by relatives and health-care workers, so we must prevent viral spread in the community to keep these vulnerable people safe.
The experts have spoken: Experts view the Barrington declaration as wrong-minded and dangerous. Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed the idea, calling it dangerous.
The declaration is also rebutted by the 6,400 vetted signatories of the John Snow Memorandum, named for the 19th-century pioneer of epidemiology.
The Snow memorandum cites clear evidence that the virus is highly contagious, several times more lethal than influenza and can have lasting consequences, even in healthy people. It affirms that COVID-19 can be constrained by good public health measures, and warns that herd immunity may be hard to achieve. It concludes:
“… controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months.”
The Infectious Diseases Society of America’s 12,000 front-line infectious diseases scientists, physicians and public health experts strongly denounce the Barrington declaration.
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers standing at a podium speaking with a face mask pulled down around his neck. Behind him is a man wearing a face mask.
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers speaks during a news conference in Kenosha, Wis., in this August 2020 photo. Wisconsin has become a hot spot for the COVID-19. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

Finally, Wisconsin’s epidemic exemplifies the failure of Barrington declaration’s ideology. Its Republican-controlled legislature has supported legal challenges to the governor’s mask mandate even as the state’s rate of positive COVID-19 tests spiked to nearly 30 per cent and hospitalizations skyrocketed.

The Great Barrington Declaration, supported by U.S. President Donald Trump, is naive and dangerous. Physicians and scientists must be responsible in our pronouncements and not sow mistrust of effective public health measures.

I'm gonna go with the IDSA over the folks making this declaration.
 
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Our freedoms end where the risk to other people's health begins.

Freedom is a slippery slope used by dictators to gain dictatorship.

For the public good, people need to get vaccinated.

For the public good, every man, woman, child should stop driving cars because driving kills tens of thousands in the US every year. Where do you draw the line?
For someone who lives in Canada you should know our youngest death from COVID was an infant...barely few days old.

I don't agree with living in fear, but I don't agree with just winging it as your comment suggests.

Canada should grow some balls and make the vaccine mandatory. Our freedoms end where the risk to other people's health begins.

Flu kills babies every year. Every person should get mandatory flu shot per your opinion.
 
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Freedom is a slippery slope used by dictators to gain dictatorship.



For the public good, every man, woman, child should stop driving cars because driving kills tens of thousands in the US every year. Where do you draw the line?


Flu kills babies every year. Every person should get mandatory flu shot per your opinion.

Get a license and don't drive intoxicated.

You just proved my point.

There are rules that are made for the public good.

Freedom isn't everything.
 
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Freedom is a slippery slope used by dictators to gain dictatorship.



For the public good, every man, woman, child should stop driving cars because driving kills tens of thousands in the US every year. Where do you draw the line?


Flu kills babies every year. Every person should get mandatory flu shot per your opinion.
That sounds like something Jason Kenney would say without understanding the conditions under a dictatorship and a democracy.

Regardless, like I said your freedom ends where the threat to my or my family's health begins, and it's the same for me.
 
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