Fearing IS, Afghan Shias seek help from Taliban

[K-Xeroid]

Well no one is apologizing for Taliban, the explanation is for reason of Hazaras approaching the Taliban in Ghazni against ISIS. Its a discussion forum, not comment section of youtube for childish ranting

No, it actually reflects your lack of knowledge on Afghan affairs and ground realities.......what are you doing on a mature discussion forum?, go to facebook

So? discussing a topic makes us Taliban?
if so do you think all those Hazaras aka Shias asking Taliban help again Daish become terrorists?

This same report says that ISIS is active since summer but shias were targeted in Afghanistan since afghan civil war, so ISIS which strength in Afghanistan is no way near to Taliban is seen as so dangerous that they are seeking help from Taliban? Now just for saving zebra from Leopard you are asking hyenas to protect them, Then what for Afghanistan's government is their? Instead of highlighting the responsible person for hazara security you are giving explanations in the favor of Taliban.

 

[Kasaamtwada]

Don't kid yourself. Taliban and other Sunni Pashtun rulers have used terrorism in the past against Hazaras.



Daesh in Afghanistan are simply Sunni Pashtuns who wish to continue jihad, instead of holding peace negotiations with the Afghan government. It's a faction that split itself from the Quetta Shura.

That's rich coming from a farsi that basically imprisoned Afghan(hazara) refugees in concentration camps unless they needed cheap labor from them.

Look at all the Shia love.

More Shia love from Iranis to Afghans....


Even taliban never treated these people like this.

Besharam.

 

[Spring Onion]

This same report says that ISIS is active since summer but shias were targeted in Afghanistan since afghan civil war, so ISIS which strength in Afghanistan is no way near to Taliban is seen as so dangerous that they are seeking help from Taliban? Now just for saving zebra from Leopard you are asking hyenas to protect them, Then what for Afghanistan's government is their? Instead of highlighting the responsible person for hazara security you are giving explanations in the favor of Taliban.

1. the war in Afghanistan is not shia Vs sunni, it is ethnic groups Vs ethnic Group

2. It was not like shias were targeted for being shias but since they are part of a big ethnic group at war with the other group hence there is no exception if they are shia or sunni.

3. daish may not be strong in Afghanistan or region but if it did take roots in the region than it will be disaster for all
4. Indeed it is responsibility of the any government to protect its community but if a community come to another community for protection then you cannot just shun it by saying its responsibility of the government and not yours.

5. Who is favouring Taliban here? it is merely a fact that both Taliban and these Shias asking for Taliban help against ISIS are both part of Afghanistan and it is good for them to join hands.

 

[Ahmad]

Leave the Qaidiani boy alone. He is ignorant of the situation.

If Taliban were against Shias, trust me there would not be one left alive in Afghanistan.

You liberal dickheads mistake the taliban for some terrorist organization. They are just conservative rural Pashtuns that have taken arms. They don't have a political agenda.

Will you have the same thing to say about Pakistani Taliban?

So? discussing a topic makes us Taliban?

if so do you think all those Hazaras aka Shias asking Taliban help again Daish become terrorists?





one incident still is not powerful enough to prove that Afghan wars have anything to do with sectarianism.

This news by AFP shows that it is not about sectarianism.

And it was a very big crime, not incident. Secondly, more of those atrocities were followed after the mazar masacare, notably in Bamyan provice.

Somebody mentioned the TTP here, but i can assure you that there is no difference between the TTP and AF when it comes to ideology. They seek and want the same thing.

 

[Samandri]

Okay. Do you think its good for they are asking for help from Taliban? I mean Taliban did kill a lot of Shias. Or is it a choice between lesser evil and bigger evil?

Obviously they dont love Taliban but Afghan government and Army are absent and they have no choice but to approach local Taliban, who according to them, have not harmed their community before in the region. What will you do if you are presented with such situation?. As Taliban are reported to be in conflict with ISIS, so hazaras have opted for "enemy of my enemy is my friend appraoch"..............It has happened before, in 1996 Taliban and Hazaras joined hands against Ahmad Shah Mahsood who was in control of Kabul. Later Hazaras and Ahmad Shah Masood joined hands against Taliban after fall of Mazar Shareef.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The Taliban have killed Shias and in particular the Hazaras by thousands and thousands in the past. I dont see any difference between ISIS and taliban.

They have all killed eachother.. the hazara "genocide" by dostum n masood is a good example..

 

[Ahmad]

Okay. Do you think its good for they are asking for help from Taliban? I mean Taliban did kill a lot of Shias. Or is it a choice between lesser evil and bigger evil?

If its true that they asked their help, then yes you are right, it is the choice between lesser and bigger of the same brand.

 

[F117]

That's rich coming from a farsi that basically imprisoned Afghan(hazara) refugees in concentration camps unless they needed cheap labor from them.

Look at all the Shia love.

More Shia love from Iranis to Afghans....


Even taliban never treated these people like this.

Besharam.

You didn't read the link?

Sunni Pashtuns in the 90s killed thousands of Hazaras:

Some 8000 Hazara men, women and children were massacred by Taliban members in Mazar i Sharif.

And centuries before that, the Afghan king massacred Hazaras in large numbers. That's why they fled to Pakistan, where again conservative Sunnis persecute them to this day:

It is reported that during the reign of Emir Abdur Rahman (1880-1901), thousands of Hazaras were killed, expelled and enslaved. Syed Askar Mousavi, a contemporary Hazara writer, claims that half the population of Hazaras was displaced, shifted to neighbouring Balochistan of British India and Iran.

Persecution of Hazara people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Spring Onion]

And it was a very big crime, not incident. Secondly, more of those atrocities were followed after the mazar masacare, notably in Bamyan provice.

Somebody mentioned the TTP here, but i can assure you that there is no difference between the TTP and AF when it comes to ideology. They seek and want the same thing.

so were Sunnis killed in Mazar container massacre so can we say shias killed Sunnis in Afghanistan because they were sunnis?

 

[Zabaniyah]

If there lies a void, ISIS steps in to fill up that void.

 

[F117]

so were Sunnis killed in Mazar container massacre so can we say shias killed Sunnis in Afghanistan because they were sunnis?

One side kills enemy fighters. The other side randomly kills civilians to terrorize them into submission.

 

[Ahmad]

so were Sunnis killed in Mazar container massacre so can we say shias killed Sunnis in Afghanistan because they were sunnis?

I personally dont have problem if the militants and armed ppl kill each other directly, as a matter of fact they will do us a huge favour by eliminating each other. The container killing was one ruthless group killed another, and it was mainly done by the sunnis against sunnis.

Afghanistan's shia-sunni problem is nowhere near in places like Iraq, but to suggest it doesnt exist is not accurate. Hazaras have always been directly targeted and prosecuted in hundreds of years just because they were shias. Just look why you have shia population in Balouchistan and it will tell you more.

 

[Spring Onion]

If there lies a void, ISIS steps in to fill up that void.

the parsiwans so called shia intellectuals sitting outside Afghanistan are trying to provide ISIS an excuse to fill the void, by trying to portray Afghan internal wars as shia Vs sunni.

This is dangerous and if Iran joined the notion well it will be bigger disaster

One side kills enemy fighters. The other side randomly kills civilians to terrorize them into submission.

NO they dint kill fighters Those shia war lords suffocated civilian Sunnis to death in containers .

On the other hand Taliban also killed Sunni civilians so making playing a victim card by Iranian apologists is lame

 

[black-hawk_101]

Better to induct Afghan Taliban into ANA.

 

[K-Xeroid]

1. the war in Afghanistan is not shia Vs sunni, it is ethnic groups Vs ethnic Group
2. It was not like shias were targeted for being shias but since they are part of a big ethnic group at war with the other group hence there is no exception if they are shia or sunni.
3. daish may not be strong in Afghanistan or region but if it did take roots in the region than it will be disaster for all
4. Indeed it is responsibility of the any government to protect its community but if a community come to another community for protection then you cannot just shun it by saying its responsibility of the government and not yours.
5. Who is favouring Taliban here? it is merely a fact that both Taliban and these Shias asking for Taliban help against ISIS are both part of Afghanistan and it is good for them to join hands.

You meant to say that Taliban is not a religious motivated group but a ethnic motivated group using the name of Islam to gain regional Muslim support and serving their ethnic group in Afghanistan. what i understand is that its your personal assumption. If ISIS exist in Afghanistan then its their government responsibility to protect their citizens or Taliban's responsibility , and Taliban is not a community , its a terror group creating motivation for terror groups all around the world to start rebellion against their country. Is it digestible for afghans that shia joining hands with their state enemy and Pakistanis supporting that alliance?