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Yeh lo. Moon sight karo jakay in jagon par. In Shaa Allah Nazar ajayega. Mufti sahab ko bhi lay jana saath main.
Fawad wants abolition of Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, announces date for Eid Al Fitr
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Yeh lo. Moon sight karo jakay in jagon par. In Shaa Allah Nazar ajayega. Mufti sahab ko bhi lay jana saath main.
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Main daikh raha hn loag Jin ko do takay ki knowledge nahin hai Woh mufti sahiban kay baray main bakwas kr rahay hain.
Yeh bhi aik shadeed fitna hai aur aisay logon ka unjam perwardigar kay yahan bauhut bhayanak hai.
Hum jub upnay dosray kamon kay lia experts kay pass jatay hain tau aakhir deeni muamlay main kis baat ki maut par jati hai kay khud aalim fazil bunnay lugtay hain.
En ulemaye kiram nay upni zidagiyan waqf keri hain deen kay lia takay deen humari naslon Tak pohnchay chahay ikhtilaf kay sath hi. Ikhtilaf upni jugha laikin deen tau pohnch raha hai. Sazision say tau bucha rahay hain jhootay mudiyan say tau bucha rahay hain.
Thora sharam kerain aur Audi baat na kerain jo kay jawabi karwai ki soorat main aap ko kisi sakht mushkil main daal dey.
Baqi thehra fawad chowhodri tau jis ki marzi ho Woh Es thali kay baingan ka muqallid bun jaye Aur upnay eman ki bunyad Es per rukh lay Aur jis ko behter lugay mairi baat tau Ulemaye Kiram ka daman paker lay.
Yeh bhi aik shadeed fitna hai aur aisay logon ka unjam perwardigar kay yahan bauhut bhayanak hai.
Hum jub upnay dosray kamon kay lia experts kay pass jatay hain tau aakhir deeni muamlay main kis baat ki maut par jati hai kay khud aalim fazil bunnay lugtay hain.
En ulemaye kiram nay upni zidagiyan waqf keri hain deen kay lia takay deen humari naslon Tak pohnchay chahay ikhtilaf kay sath hi. Ikhtilaf upni jugha laikin deen tau pohnch raha hai. Sazision say tau bucha rahay hain jhootay mudiyan say tau bucha rahay hain.
Thora sharam kerain aur Audi baat na kerain jo kay jawabi karwai ki soorat main aap ko kisi sakht mushkil main daal dey.
Baqi thehra fawad chowhodri tau jis ki marzi ho Woh Es thali kay baingan ka muqallid bun jaye Aur upnay eman ki bunyad Es per rukh lay Aur jis ko behter lugay mairi baat tau Ulemaye Kiram ka daman paker lay.
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australia started Ramadan with pakistan. They are celebrating eid tomorrow.??????
do people in australia , read all 5 prayers same time as in pakistan?
no..
well thats the point ,
same with moon, difference of time and apperence of moon,
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Abhi to mene kuch kaha hi naheen unke baray main.
Aur har cheez fitna naheen hote. Har cheez par fatwe lagne baith jate ho.
Debating isnt bad. Debates Are essential for progress.
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The issue of moon sighting has become moon fighting. In this case, both sides of the divide are divided over the question that what is really the 'new' moon. Interestingly, both sides of the divide base their arguments on the Hadith: "Do not fast unless you sight the crescent, and do not break your fast till you sight the (following) crescent." (Al-Bukhari, Vol. 3:130).
"In the present era of scientific and technological advancement, three decades after man landed on the moon, some Muslims are still avoiding the use of scientific knowledge for making an Islamic calendar and get over with the feuds and having to wait till midnight for a confirmation of moon sighting.
today's technology, calculations are far more accurate than the claims of sighting, which we all have experienced, that often people mistake other objects for the crescent moon.
Allah
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has given us the knowledge about the motions of earth and moon, and an Islamic calendar based on calculations that has proven to match with actual sighting would enable us to plan ahead of time, while actual sighting will prove to be confirmatory. This, , only meets the intent of Qur'an and Sunnah and its benefits greatly surpass the consequences faced by false claims of sighting and waiting for a decision until midnight.
The most misunderstood question is whether the sighting is a means or a requirement of ascertaining the beginning of an Islamic month.
answer to this question is better understood by people in the Caribbean (Caribbean Islands, Trinidad, and Guyana) where they have a 6-month long rainy season and sighting is not possible because of clouds. If they count 30 days for 3 or 4 months in a row, the moon is then sighted on the 28th or 27th day. This, , is a clear indication that the Sharia did not intend the sighting as an only requirement but simply as a facility, that was the sole method available to the Muslims of that era.
The opponents of scientific calculations also cite Bukhari, Vol. 3:130, and maintain that the people at the time of the Prophet
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were illiterate and thus physical sighting was the method prescribed by Allah
and thus cannot be changed. Among this group, there are differences on the number of witnesses needed for confirming such a sighting.
Sighting or Calculation?
The proponents of determining the start of Ramadan purely by calculations offer two main arguments. First, the Hadith "Do not fast until you see the crescent-moon, and do not break the fast until you have seen the crescent moon, but if conditions are overcast for you then enumerate for it." [Bukhari] They cite the statement, "then enumerate for it" as evidence for the permissibility of calculation. Second, they say that calculations were not used during the Prophet's time because the people were "unlettered," however, we are now educated and advanced in astronomy, there is no harm in calculating alone.
The first argument cannot be sustained because if "enumerate" in the above hadith is in fact referring to calculation, it would only indicate the permissibility of calculations in overcast conditions. In addition, the meaning of "enumerate" is clarified by another narration of the hadith by Bukhari (also, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, Ibn Khuzaymah, Ibn Hibban and al-Tayalisi), "Then complete the number of [days of] Sha`ban as thirty." [Nasb al-Rayah, 2/437-8] This hadith clarifies what is meant by "enumerate" in the first narration is to count thirty days, for the first narration is general and imprecise (mujmal), whereas the second is explicit (mubayyan), clarifying the imprecision in the first. Ibn Rushd says, "It is obligatory to refer the mujmal to the mubayyan, and this is the way of the scholars of usul, without any disagreement." [Bidayat al-Mujtahid, 1/284]
The second argument about the people being "unlettered" is refuted by the fact that there were many among the Companions who were not only well read but also scholarly. In fact, what "unlettered" refers to is that the means for determining the month are simple, not requiring sophisticated science or education, equally accessible to all people, scientists as well as non-scientists.
The Middle Way
Islam is a strong proponent of using reason. Today the fact is that astronomy can accurately establish the time of birth of the new moon, and the time interval when it is impossible to see the crescent-moon due its not yet being present. Thus, there is no harm in using this astronomical basis to reject a claimed sighting which cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, this is similar to rejecting the claim of someone who claims to have seen the crescent-moon on the twentieth night of Shaban!
Universal Sighting?
The proponents of using the sighting in Makkah to begin Ramadan anywhere on earth argue that a sighting in one area is binding on Muslims in other areas as well.
However, the hadith narrated by Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi and Nasa'i rejects argues against a sighting being binding on distant places. Thus states that Kurayb, who traveled to Syria encountered the start of Ramadan there on a Friday, upon return to Medina, informed Ibn Abbas that he had seen the crescent-moon on the night of Friday, and that the people in Syria, including Muawiyah the governor, had fasted on Friday. Ibn Abbas replied that they (in Medina) had seen the crescent-moon on Saturday, and that they would not stop fasting until they either saw it again, or had completed thirty days. Kurayb asked, "Will you not suffice with the sighting of Muawiyah?" Ibn Abbas replied, "No, that is how the Messenger of Allah commanded us."
Also, we need to consider that just as Muslims around the world will not pray simultaneously, rather each area will pray based on the movement of the sun in their area. Thus, how could they start and end fasting simultaneously.
The presence of numerous hadith on this issue only indicates that even the Companions and their later contemporaries differed about the start and end of Ramadan, such difference did not cause disunity among them, and so there is no reason why it should for us.
HOPE THIS HELPS THE MOON SIGHTING- MOON FIGHTING
"In the present era of scientific and technological advancement, three decades after man landed on the moon, some Muslims are still avoiding the use of scientific knowledge for making an Islamic calendar and get over with the feuds and having to wait till midnight for a confirmation of moon sighting.
today's technology, calculations are far more accurate than the claims of sighting, which we all have experienced, that often people mistake other objects for the crescent moon.
Allah
The most misunderstood question is whether the sighting is a means or a requirement of ascertaining the beginning of an Islamic month.
answer to this question is better understood by people in the Caribbean (Caribbean Islands, Trinidad, and Guyana) where they have a 6-month long rainy season and sighting is not possible because of clouds. If they count 30 days for 3 or 4 months in a row, the moon is then sighted on the 28th or 27th day. This, , is a clear indication that the Sharia did not intend the sighting as an only requirement but simply as a facility, that was the sole method available to the Muslims of that era.
The opponents of scientific calculations also cite Bukhari, Vol. 3:130, and maintain that the people at the time of the Prophet
Sighting or Calculation?
The proponents of determining the start of Ramadan purely by calculations offer two main arguments. First, the Hadith "Do not fast until you see the crescent-moon, and do not break the fast until you have seen the crescent moon, but if conditions are overcast for you then enumerate for it." [Bukhari] They cite the statement, "then enumerate for it" as evidence for the permissibility of calculation. Second, they say that calculations were not used during the Prophet's time because the people were "unlettered," however, we are now educated and advanced in astronomy, there is no harm in calculating alone.
The first argument cannot be sustained because if "enumerate" in the above hadith is in fact referring to calculation, it would only indicate the permissibility of calculations in overcast conditions. In addition, the meaning of "enumerate" is clarified by another narration of the hadith by Bukhari (also, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, Ibn Khuzaymah, Ibn Hibban and al-Tayalisi), "Then complete the number of [days of] Sha`ban as thirty." [Nasb al-Rayah, 2/437-8] This hadith clarifies what is meant by "enumerate" in the first narration is to count thirty days, for the first narration is general and imprecise (mujmal), whereas the second is explicit (mubayyan), clarifying the imprecision in the first. Ibn Rushd says, "It is obligatory to refer the mujmal to the mubayyan, and this is the way of the scholars of usul, without any disagreement." [Bidayat al-Mujtahid, 1/284]
The second argument about the people being "unlettered" is refuted by the fact that there were many among the Companions who were not only well read but also scholarly. In fact, what "unlettered" refers to is that the means for determining the month are simple, not requiring sophisticated science or education, equally accessible to all people, scientists as well as non-scientists.
The Middle Way
Islam is a strong proponent of using reason. Today the fact is that astronomy can accurately establish the time of birth of the new moon, and the time interval when it is impossible to see the crescent-moon due its not yet being present. Thus, there is no harm in using this astronomical basis to reject a claimed sighting which cannot possibly be correct. Indeed, this is similar to rejecting the claim of someone who claims to have seen the crescent-moon on the twentieth night of Shaban!
Universal Sighting?
The proponents of using the sighting in Makkah to begin Ramadan anywhere on earth argue that a sighting in one area is binding on Muslims in other areas as well.
However, the hadith narrated by Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi and Nasa'i rejects argues against a sighting being binding on distant places. Thus states that Kurayb, who traveled to Syria encountered the start of Ramadan there on a Friday, upon return to Medina, informed Ibn Abbas that he had seen the crescent-moon on the night of Friday, and that the people in Syria, including Muawiyah the governor, had fasted on Friday. Ibn Abbas replied that they (in Medina) had seen the crescent-moon on Saturday, and that they would not stop fasting until they either saw it again, or had completed thirty days. Kurayb asked, "Will you not suffice with the sighting of Muawiyah?" Ibn Abbas replied, "No, that is how the Messenger of Allah commanded us."
Also, we need to consider that just as Muslims around the world will not pray simultaneously, rather each area will pray based on the movement of the sun in their area. Thus, how could they start and end fasting simultaneously.
The presence of numerous hadith on this issue only indicates that even the Companions and their later contemporaries differed about the start and end of Ramadan, such difference did not cause disunity among them, and so there is no reason why it should for us.
HOPE THIS HELPS THE MOON SIGHTING- MOON FIGHTING
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Woh tau undaza ho raha hai ghaleez zehniat ka abhi dhakkan nahin khula tau taffun uth raha hai ... koi baat nahin waisay hi dajjal kay baray chailay aaj kal sir utha rahay hain tau uthayen humain konsa sada zinda rehna hai aik Aur sahi kia faraq prta hai qayamat tau qaim honi hai na.
Sunnah per debate tau nai nabuwat pr yaqqen krnay walay dajali krtay hain hum tau Sunnah per amal krtay hain bhai debate nahin. Itna shouq hai debate ka tau samnay baith ker kero debate oun kay Jin kay baray main herzasarai kr rahay hain ...
Itna dum thori hai bus chup kr bakwas kerni hai debate kay naam per maloom hai na samnay aye tau dharam nashta jo jaway ga ... dharam Aur shakal chupanay ka Acha formula hai tau kero jo krna hai humari bala say.
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try karle ye Geo presenter turned politician.
Isko bolo covid19 test kits regulate karle isse pehle log iski existence per ghor karna shuru karden.
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iske paas money trail hai jo bharat se milti hai. maza aega.
ptv and parliament attack me bhi ye mulawis hai.
sabko insaf milega.
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LMAO. You need to relax man. Tuffan mere main naheen apn main ziada uthay dik rahe hain.
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Ertugul Ertugul Ertugul !!
This is going to be fun.
Ranjit Singh Qibla decide karenge mumlikat e khudadaad me.
wah re qudrat
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The entire Muslim world is slowly shifting to the scientific approach but some idiots still insist on methods that are proven to be wrong.
The ability to acknowledge a fault is the most important part of Iman nowadays.
Use your Allah-given brain for once...
The ability to acknowledge a fault is the most important part of Iman nowadays.
Use your Allah-given brain for once...
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So before all of the technology all eid celebrated by our ancestors were fake?
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No, I was referring to the 1000s of mullahs in 2020 who are trying to see the hilal from one of the most air polluted cities in the world when even the Saudis are changing their method to determine the day of Eid. Don't try twisting my words.
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Witness accounts are taken from all of the territories held by the State of Pakistan and collaborated with scientific data at hand from the state weather department.
What do you mean by even Saudis?
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