Faster than light particles found, claim scientists

[Tractor]

Well, if you want to be really blown away, consider the concept of block time.

In this theory, since time is just another dimension like the other three, we can assume that it already exists in the past and future. For an analogy, consider the physical dimensions: even if you are standing in China, America and Australia still exist. Just because you are not physically standing in America or Australia doesn't mean they are not there. By that logic, past and present already exist out there in spacetime. Our perception of time is nothing more than our consciusness travelling along an existing time axis.

In my view,axis and dimensions are just some kind of measurements or solutions which are used in resurchs or works and block time you mentioned must exits with all the matters in it and could not be an isolated hollow.

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

Anyone can explain abt the article precisely ?

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

Some idiot said if its true then we can go back in time, but if thats true then the neutrino should had gone back in time itself ..

 

[Splurgenxs]

one of my school physics teacher was too much into theoratical physics......so much that later went mad and had to be treated for mental illness..he eventually recovered...both from mental illness and obsession with theoratical physics..
He once said that speed of light is not a unversal constant....instead its a contant for a galaxy.....depending on overall mass and gravity of a galaxy...speed of light will be different for different galaxies....

well if theoretically black holes contain enough mass to bend light toward it ... it could also lead to the aforementioned conclusion .
THo what lead him to his conclusion ie to what finding did he conclude his theory ; will be most entertaining, and would love to know.

 

[Splurgenxs]

Well, I saw this research on Discovery one day. They are actually making a machine with which they can accelerate these particles faster then light so that they can transmit it in past. In past there will be a machine that can receive these particles.

And so by sending and receiving these particles they can actually transmit signals to people in past and inform them of some Natural disaster and can avoid many adversities...

well by tht theory the machine propagating those particle will also be the one receiving it in the future as the particle going into the past would actually be getting received by an object the had not been created hence only into the future will it be received and hence the particles would have in-fact be traveling into the future of the Point of Refrence lol ...

but that also leads to Parallel dimensions

U cant create something that has not been created in the past but rater push it into a separate dimension ,That would in fact have that very receiver

But, for the Point of reference of this parallel dimension, the particle would have been retrieved/Received the moment they were propagated ..hence they would get it the same moment they transmitted it ..u feeling where this is going? LMAO.

Hence this leads to conclusion that this is all sensationalist BS with tht same particle coming back to the receiver at the very moment it was sent with no way to determine if they jumped dimensions.

 

[oFFbEAT]

People with at least half a brain would understand. Those with less wouldn't be able to!!

And people with no brains at all(like you) pretend to understand everything by talking about 5th, 6th dimensions without understanding S***.
When world's top class scientists are struggling to find out WTF the neutrino actually is, what is its nature, when different scientists have different concept of this weird particle, when all time greats like Stephen Hawking is saying that more experiments are required to understand the true nature of this particle, YOU claim to understand everything and moreover insult others by saying that they won't understand this.

WTF do you think of yourself. A super scientist...LOL....in that case you should immediately contact Princeton Lab (where Albert Einstein's brain resides) so that....you know...when you die, your brain could also be preserved.......LOL

 

[oFFbEAT]

Please dont tell me that a person doesn't know what light is .......

well you might have taken commerce for sure.... because even a basic student of physics knows about light.

I never knew, this forum is filled with so many "super scientists".
They know everything......just waiting (for the right time.....i guess) to solve the ultimate mistery.

YOU know what light is?? I bet you don't.....because even today there is confusion about the true nature of light.
Light is not as well understood as sound.
Even though light is known as an electromagnetic WAVE, it behaves like PARTICLES in some cases(unlike other electromagnetic waves like X-rays etc), this phenomenon is called the "dual nature of light".

Apart from these WAVE and PARTCLE theories, there is this ENERGY PACKET theory of light in Quantum Physics and do you know what eminent scientists like Richard Feynman, Niels Bohr said about Quantum Physics:-
Richard Feynman: "I think it is safe to say that no one understands quantum mechanics".
Niels Bohr: "Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it".

So with all these ever-evolving theories of light, no one(except you....LOL) claims to have understood the true nature of light even today. So you deserve a Noble Prize i guess................

 

[bandit]

Some idiot said if its true then we can go back in time, but if thats true then the neutrino should had gone back in time itself ..

Probably it did go back in time and arrived earlier than it was supposed to? That validates time travel at speeds faster than light.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Probably it did go back in time and arrived earlier than it was supposed to? That validates time travel at speeds faster than light.

Excellent idea.........thought over it sometime...........
But then few doubts arose................
Firstly, acc. to theory, by "going back in time", it does not mean going back slightly in time, it means going back in time before the actuall incident occured.
suppose, say a particle is shot off at speed FTL(Faster Than Light) from pt. A today at 8pm towards pt. B then, acc. to theory when the particle will reach pt. B it will be before 8pm today as the particle at pt. B is now in the past i.e theoritically, when the particle will reach pt. B, the Shooting incident from pt. A has not occured yet (but without the shooting incident occuring from pt. A, the particle cannot reach pt. B).........FUNNY isn't it.
This is only possible if the particle travells backwards in time i.e in -ve time. (but the distance is +ve)
So, how did the scientists at CERN measured its speed(which is distance/time) positively if time is negative??

 

[Bobshouse]

Why must say something travel faster or slower than light?What is light?Is it something make people to see the world?

Scientists still dont know really what light is. Some say its a particle, some say its a wave, some say its both depending on how and when you look at it.

This is such a great story, so many weird and crazy observations of science has taken place in the last 50 years. This is just another step on working out how the natural world actually works. Its still an early find though, the experiments will need to replicated at other laboratories. Could mean Einsteins theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light is dead in the water. People will need to rip some pages out of their physics text books.

What this discovery may mean is there is a whole network of universal forces that we are unaware of. Its a bit like looking at a clock face and knowing how to tell the time but not knowing there is a whole network of cogs and gears behind that face controlling that clock.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Anyone can explain abt the article precisely ?

No one can, completely, since whatever written in the article is not yet established physics, the ideas are vague even to the most eminent physicists today, they are trying to find out the character/nature of a very mysterious particle which they called neutrino (also called "ghost particle"--understandably).
Now, recent experiments show that these particles travelling faster than light, which is contrary to the theory proposed by Einstein (and accepted so far) that nothing can travel faster than light.
So, the bottom-line is that, if the experiments are correct, then the theories of Physics needs to be changed(and many say that the interesting concept of time-travel may become true in future) OR if the experiments are proved to be incorrect then Physics remains as it is (and our beloved time-travel concept dies).

 

[below_freezing]

I never knew, this forum is filled with so many "super scientists".
They know everything......just waiting (for the right time.....i guess) to solve the ultimate mistery.

YOU know what light is?? I bet you don't.....because even today there is confusion about the true nature of light.
Light is not as well understood as sound.
Even though light is known as an electromagnetic WAVE, it behaves like PARTICLES in some cases(unlike other electromagnetic waves like X-rays etc), this phenomenon is called the "dual nature of light".

Apart from these WAVE and PARTCLE theories, there is this ENERGY PACKET theory of light in Quantum Physics and do you know what eminent scientists like Richard Feynman, Niels Bohr said about Quantum Physics:-
Richard Feynman: "I think it is safe to say that no one understands quantum mechanics".
Niels Bohr: "Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it".

So with all these ever-evolving theories of light, no one(except you....LOL) claims to have understood the true nature of light even today. So you deserve a Noble Prize i guess................

the only thing distinguishing x-rays and light is their wavelengths.

otherwise, if only visible light behaved as particles, can you explain how the x-rays can produce compton scattering?

when we get to radio waves on the macroscopic scale, or at micrometer scales for visible light, the wave model becomes much more useful than the particle model. the particle model of light is necessary to explain things like photocurrent in semiconductors.

 

[bandit]

Excellent idea.........thought over it sometime...........
But then few doubts arose................
Firstly, acc. to theory, by "going back in time", it does not mean going back slightly in time, it means going back in time before the actuall incident occured.
suppose, say a particle is shot off at speed FTL(Faster Than Light) from pt. A today at 8pm towards pt. B then, acc. to theory when the particle will reach pt. B it will be before 8pm today as the particle at pt. B is now in the past i.e theoritically, when the particle will reach pt. B, the Shooting incident from pt. A has not occured yet (but without the shooting incident occuring from pt. A, the particle cannot reach pt. B).........FUNNY isn't it.
This is only possible if the particle travells backwards in time i.e in -ve time. (but the distance is +ve)
So, how did the scientists at CERN measured its speed(which is distance/time) positively if time is negative??

Ha you really delved into it.

I just made a simple observation, but if you do dig deeper into it the the concept of time itself come into question.

The paradox you mentioned violates the concept of causality, and honestly I have no clue about that.

Regarding arriving earlier and not before the actual event, I believe the particles are accelerated from rest to FTL, that would mean if you add up individual time units from rest to FTL, there would be some negative units when particles exceed Light speed(going backward), causing the overall sum of units less than expected. That is how I envisioned this paradox.

 

[oFFbEAT]

the only thing distinguishing x-rays and light is their wavelengths.

otherwise, if only visible light behaved as particles, can you explain how the x-rays can produce compton scattering?

when we get to radio waves on the macroscopic scale, or at micrometer scales for visible light, the wave model becomes much more useful than the particle model. the particle model of light is necessary to explain things like photocurrent in semiconductors.

Yes, other electromagnetic waves also show particle property(not only light). HOW, if they do not have mass??.....NOT explained theoretically yet....only experimental observation.
This is what I am trying to say.....like many things, the actual nature of light is also not completely understood yet.
light(like many other things) has no single model. i.e no single model can explain all the behaviours of light. Different physicists have proposed different theories and each of them are useful in their own way.

People only choose different models/concepts of light according to the situation and convenience.

This "wave-particle duality" is still now a paradox....not well understood by Physicists yet.

So, one should not brag about knowing everything and instructing others to learn Basic Physics. This only makes him look very stupid.

p.s., I personally believe that understanding completely the "wave-particle duality" paradox is going to be a tremendous achievement to mankind (as it explains soooo many things).