Fascist regime of India has crossed all limits in IOK: Commander IMCTC Gen. Raheel Sharif

[The Eagle]

Originally he didn't have the NOC and that's why the matter was picked up by the SC.

Did Supreme Court stop him from going abroad. I am sure, people involved has further updates & development as well. What makes you think that having corrupt lot ruling country including the special kind of Army Haters, would have let it go like this. Think & search further. Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif, is still serving Pakistan interest which seems to be beyond comprehension of politically misguided people.

 

[Sheepistanis]

Did Supreme Court stop him from going abroad. I am sure, people involved has further updates & development as well. What makes you think that having corrupt lot ruling country including the special kind of Army Haters, would have let it go like this. Think & search further. Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif, is still serving Pakistan interest which seems to be beyond comprehension of politically misguided people.

Rhetoric drenched in nationalistic sentiments hardly explains about what actually went down.
Raheel Shareef was never granted NOC by the PMLN government and the sole formalities were done by the MoD at that time, whereas the NOC should have been issued by the cabinet and not just one ministry. He was later granted NOC by the PTI government.
It's all in the past but nothing went by the book in the beginning-----FACT!!!!!!

 

[The Eagle]

Rhetoric drenched in nationalistic sentiments hardly explains about what actually went down.
Raheel Shareef was never granted NOC by the PMLN government and the sole formalities were done by the MoD at that time, whereas the NOC should have been issued by the cabinet and not just one ministry. He was later granted NOC by the PTI government.
It's all in the past but nothing went by the book in the beginning-----FACT!!!!!!

Never attempt to argue without proper facts, evidence to support your claims.

“Gen Raheel applied for an NOC and it was approved by MOD (Ministry of Defence) after due process,” Khawaja Asif , who was the then federal defence minister, tweeted.

His response came shortly after the Supreme Court was told that Gen Raheel Sharif had not obtained a no-objection certificate (NOC) from the cabinet before going to Saudi Arabia to head the 41-nation military alliance.

Attorney General Khalid Jawed Khan told the court as per the law, the NOC is issued by the federal government to government officers willing to join service in foreign lands.

The NOC is approved by the federal cabinet under government service rules, he said.

 

[Sheepistanis]

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Never attempt to argue without proper facts, evidence to support your claims.

“Gen Raheel applied for an NOC and it was approved by MOD (Ministry of Defence) after due process,” Khawaja Asif , who was the then federal defence minister, tweeted.

His response came shortly after the Supreme Court was told that Gen Raheel Sharif had not obtained a no-objection certificate (NOC) from the cabinet before going to Saudi Arabia to head the 41-nation military alliance.

Attorney General Khalid Jawed Khan told the court as per the law, the NOC is issued by the federal government to government officers willing to join service in foreign lands.

The NOC is approved by the federal cabinet under government service rules, he said.

Let's analyse the facts highlighted by the SC and not heed the words of someone, who himself is having a run in with the law.

The Supreme Court was informed by the attorney general on Tuesday that former army chief Gen Raheel Sharif did not obtain a no-objection certificate (NOC) from the federal cabinet before leaving for Saudi Arabia to head a 41-nation military alliance.
During the hearing of a suo motu case regarding dual nationality of civil servants and judges, Attorney General Khalid Jawed Khan said that as per the law, the NOC is issued by the federal government to government officers willing to join service in foreign lands. It is required for the NOC to be approved by the federal cabinet under government service rules, he added.The attorney general presented the legal perspective after defence secretary retired Lt Gen Zamirul Hassan informed the court that it was the defence ministry which had granted NOC to the ex-chief of army staff after General Headquarters (GHQ) cleared him to accept the post of Commander of Islamic Military Counterterrorism Coalition in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Concerns about the Saudi military alliance
The appointment of Raheel Sharif as the leader of the Saudi military alliance last year had sparked debate over how the move will impact Pakistan's foreign policy, and whether it was fully sanctioned by parliament.
After hearing all sides, a three-judge bench of the SC headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Mian Saqib Nisar ordered authorities that the matter of Sharif's appointment be placed before the federal cabinet for a regular approval (or disapproval).

"We have to proceed according to the law," the CJP said during the hearing, observing that the authority of the federal government is controlled by the cabinet. He said the matter at hand was of an urgent nature.

A proper link is also being furnished. A thorough research helps root out inconsistencies.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1425538

 

[Zarmeena Rashad]

Fascist regime of India has crossed all limits in IOK: Commander IMCTC Gen. Raheel Sharif
Web Desk On Sep 10, 2019 Last Updated Sep 10, 2019

RIYADH: Former Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Raheel Sharif paid rich tribute to all martyrs for laying down their lives for the motherland, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

He said national spirit and valour of Armed Forces during the war was unprecedented. Pakistan Army is most battle-hardened and can take on any and all challenges with pride, dignity and honour.

Gen Raheel Sharif, Commander Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition also said that the Indian fascist regime under Narendra Modi had crossed all limits.

He said this during defence and martyrs day ceremony arranged by Pakistan’s Embassy in Riyadh.

He added that the national spirit and valour of the armed forces and the nation during previous wars had been unprecedented.

“Pakistan Army is most battle-hardened and can take on any challenge with honour,” said Sharif.

Highlighting the atrocities being committed in Indian Occupied Kashmir (IoK) and genocide of Muslims, he said, the world community needs to take immediate steps in that regard.

He added, ” Kashmir is an unfinished agenda of the partition and for enduring peace in the region, it has to be resolved as per the UN resolutions and aspirations of the people of Kashmir”.

He also appreciated the efforts being made by PM Imran Khan, the gallant armed forces and resilient people of Pakistan for standing by the Kashmir cause.

Pakistanis are one of the most ungrateful lot sometimes resembling the bani Israelis.This man is one of the best , genuine & intelligent COAS pakistan ever had.His tenure was excellent in all regards.He worked relentlessly for pakistan's interests.Gave all of his retirement benefits for the families of shuhada.And got a job after retirement also accepting it for the betterment of Pakistan.
I miss him although I have massive respect for General bajwa as well.He is no less then him.

 

[The Eagle]

"We have to proceed according to the law," the CJP said during the hearing, observing that the authority of the federal government is controlled by the cabinet. He said the matter at hand was of an urgent nature.

However, the Supreme Court later directed the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government to issue a fresh NOC that was needed by the general for employment abroad during the two-year period when he was not supposed to be employed.

The information minister said the government had submitted the NOC to the Supreme Court.

Pakistanis are one of the most ungrateful lot sometimes resembling the bani Israelis.This man is one of the best , genuine & intelligent COAS pakistan ever had.His tenure was excellent in all regards.He worked relentlessly for pakistan's interests.Gave all of his retirement benefits for the families of shuhada.And got a job after retirement also accepting it for the betterment of Pakistan.
I miss him although I have massive respect for General bajwa as well.He is no less then him.

Nit picking for nothing, is the case here. The man is serving and in-fact is representing Pakistan as well as our interests as well. People can't help out sometimes to understand rather see everything through tunnel vision or in isolated manner without going into details per defined law. Sometimes, everyone wants to be told everything from A to Z while they have no idea of the matter in principles of subject.

 

[Sheepistanis]

However, the Supreme Court later directed the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government to issue a fresh NOC that was needed by the general for employment abroad during the two-year period when he was not supposed to be employed.

The information minister said the government had submitted the NOC to the Supreme Court.

Please have the audacity to accept when you have been proven wrong.

The Information minister you speak of was non other than Fawad Chaudry and Raheel Shareef was given NOC during PTI's tenure whereas he took employment during PMLNs time.(This is what I have been pointing out)

"Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry on Friday confirmed that the NOC had indeed been issued after approval by the federal cabinet.
“The issue was not on the normal agenda of the federal cabinet’s meeting but it was approved through circulation,” the minister said while talking to Dawn."
Published in Dawn, January 19th, 2019

Factually highlighting time lines is in noway intended to undermine what Raheel Shareef stands for. But on a personal level you should be open to facts even if they are unknown to you.

 

[The Eagle]

Please have the audacity to accept when you have been proven wrong.

The Information minister you speak of was non other than Fawad Chaudry and Raheel Shareef was given NOC during PTI's tenure whereas he took employment during PMLNs time.(This is what I have been pointing out)

"Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry on Friday confirmed that the NOC had indeed been issued after approval by the federal cabinet.
“The issue was not on the normal agenda of the federal cabinet’s meeting but it was approved through circulation,” the minister said while talking to Dawn."
Published in Dawn, January 19th, 2019

Factually highlighting time lines is in noway intended to undermine what Raheel Shareef stands for. But on a personal level you should be open to facts even if they are unknown to you.

This is not about my audacity at all rather, you may an issue as such to prove someone wrong or being "I am right" but it is more about the fact that Raheel Sharif appointment is legal and provided with NoC. A fresh NoC..... the word is Fresh NOC that too as per orders of Supreme Court that said as has to follow legal process. Quoting half of the facts, does not prove the whole fact. PMLN issued NOC as I already quoted, matter went to Supreme Court as already Quoted, Supreme court ordered to issue NOC a fresh is already quoted. Fresh NoC means, it was already issued but as the matter was brought before Supreme Court in view of technical reason rather than the merit of the matter as being violation of code of conduct, hence, Court directed the then PTI Government to issue a FRESH NOC.

The argument was, originally he didn't obtain NOC. (your quote below with your own words) and I said NoC was issued. Then again, Court said matter to be brought under Cabinet which was already done.... If it was illegal by any mean, Supreme Court wouldn't leave such lacuna in judgment or Order by not punishing the culprit. Originally, he had the NOC as Khawaja Asif clarified but matter was brought to the Supreme Court over technical issue of NOC from Cabinet or NOC from Defence Ministry which was later addressed with clarification.

Originally he didn't have the NOC and that's why the matter was picked up by the SC.

 

[Dual Wielder]

Pakistanis are one of the most ungrateful lot sometimes resembling the bani Israelis.

Look no one is questioning him on his achievements, he did bring a lot of stability to Pakistan during his tenure. I am however disappointed at @The Eagle, who thinks by querying anything that could possibly have genuine ramifications on our national security must be politically motivated to speak out against our army heads, which is ridiculous. I asked a genuine question, which I got a substandard reply..

 

[Sheepistanis]

This is not about my audacity at all rather, you may an issue as such to prove someone wrong or being "I am right" but it is more about the fact that Raheel Sharif appointment is legal and provided with NoC. A fresh NoC..... the word is Fresh NOC that too as per orders of Supreme Court that said as has to follow legal process. Quoting half of the facts, does not prove the whole fact. PMLN issued NOC as I already quoted, matter went to Supreme Court as already Quoted, Supreme court ordered to issue NOC a fresh is already quoted. Fresh NoC means, it was already issued but as the matter was brought before Supreme Court in view of technical reason rather than the merit of the matter as being violation of code of conduct, hence, Court directed the then PTI Government to issue a FRESH NOC.

The argument was, originally he didn't obtain NOC. (your quote below with your own words) and I said NoC was issued. Then again, Court said matter to be brought under Cabinet which was already done.... If it was illegal by any mean, Supreme Court wouldn't leave such lacuna in judgment or Order by not punishing the culprit. Originally, he had the NOC as Khawaja Asif clarified but matter was brought to the Supreme Court over technical issue of NOC from Cabinet or NOC from Defence Ministry which was later addressed with clarification.

Here is a much clearer response for your understanding.

The ruling of the Supreme Court of Pakistan:
On December 15, 2018, the Supreme Court had ruled that foreign employment of General (retd) Raheel Sharif shall cease with immediate effect if he is not granted an NoC by the federal cabinet within one month.According to the detailed judgement issued by the apex court in dual nationality case on Saturday, the Supreme Court said that according to the law laid down by the court, only federal cabinet can grant permission to an ex-government servant to seek or take up employment as an officer or servant of a foreign government.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1891565/1-federal-cabinet-grants-noc-raheel-sharif-sources/

His previous NOC came from the MoD and not the Cabinet, please know the difference between the two before stretching this any further for the sake of arguing. SC's ruling was indicative of the fact he didn't have a valid NOC and incase the ruling party doesn't grant him one, he shall have to return. Now please don't give it a--- "Raheel Shareef is amazing, he is serving Pakistan in KSA"---twist. I am merely speaking of what followed after he took that job and why some people have well grounded apprehensions.

Look no one is questioning him on his achievements, he did bring a lot of stability to Pakistan during his tenure. I am however disappointed at @The Eagle, who thinks by querying anything that could possibly have genuine ramifications on our national security must be politically motivated to speak out against our army heads, which is ridiculous. I asked a genuine question, which I got a substandard reply..

That's the way of the defence.pk now. You are not allowed to go against the popular myths, if you do------You are a traitor!!!!!!!!

 

[khansaheeb]

If Pakistanis don't want to work then they can hire Indian
Population of India is 1.2 billion
Pakistan ka double nuqsan

Good luck to them, imagine having Indians working for you; they will be stealing , raping , lying and pandering all day long.

 

[The Eagle]

Here is a much clearer response for your understanding.

The ruling of the Supreme Court of Pakistan:
On December 15, 2018, the Supreme Court had ruled that foreign employment of General (retd) Raheel Sharif shall cease with immediate effect if he is not granted an NoC by the federal cabinet within one month.According to the detailed judgement issued by the apex court in dual nationality case on Saturday, the Supreme Court said that according to the law laid down by the court, only federal cabinet can grant permission to an ex-government servant to seek or take up employment as an officer or servant of a foreign government.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1891565/1-federal-cabinet-grants-noc-raheel-sharif-sources/

His previous NOC came from the MoD and not the Cabinet, please know the difference between the two before stretching this any further for the sake of arguing. SC's ruling was indicative of the fact he didn't have a valid NOC and incase the ruling party doesn't grant him one, he shall have to return. Now please don't give it a--- "Raheel Shareef is amazing, he is serving Pakistan in KSA"---twist. I am merely speaking of what followed after he took that job and why some people have well grounded apprehensions.

My understanding is pretty much clear hence, I have a clear conscience about him and certain matters. This federal cabinet or defence ministry NoC is a technical thing in view of legal language. But to say that he hadn't obtained originally an NoC, is totally wrong. He had the NOC and he is not responsible for the mistake of legislators that didn't bring the same before Cabinet in first place but second time. Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif applied for an NOC & defence ministry granted one - how they granted and what kind of procedure they adopted, is total concern of the office issuing NOC and not the person requested as such. His appointment is clear and there is no legal violation and that is all matter in the end. A valid or non-valid NOC wasn't his issue rather any wrong but on part of political office. Blaming Raheel Sharif for the same is wrong however, you have all the remedy to call them politicos/legislators being incompetent that issued NOC without due process which is known to them.

MoD works under Cabinet and that was the argument by Attorney General whereby, Supreme Court directed to issue A FRESH NOC. For me it is clear and you shouldn't enforce your understanding upon me or anyone else. What matters in the end is that, he is clear by Law and after all the legal process hence, serving. The confusion was created by the most Army Haters at time and had it been the case of facts; I don't see any libido missing the bus to bash Army and malign in every way.

That's the way of the defence.pk now. You are not allowed to go against the popular myths, if you do------You are a traitor!!!!!!!!

May be wrong is called wrong sometimes by the people but in my opinion it shouldn't be the case. So, you have your opinion and you can stick to that as long as you want but on other hand, nobody can force his/her opinion upon others and that is where Forum Rules are enforced. I will not try to hide under such lame excuse by blaming the Forum for this otherwise, the LOGOUT option is available that anyone can choose to stay away.

Look no one is questioning him on his achievements, he did bring a lot of stability to Pakistan during his tenure. I am however disappointed at @The Eagle, who thinks by querying anything that could possibly have genuine ramifications on our national security must be politically motivated to speak out against our army heads, which is ridiculous. I asked a genuine question, which I got a substandard reply..

That reply may seem substandard to you but here we are talking about process/SOP of institute that wouldn't risk anything to a person that somehow has to retire from service. The Institute matters, not the person and that is how security parameters are designed. Had it been the case, I don't see that any human can be trusted then. In my opinion, that is not appropriate to doubt institute security level and as DG ISPR recently said that Nuclear Strategy etc is far beyond the stature of us . . . even Lt. Gen. is not able to talk about.

 

[Sheepistanis]

My understanding is pretty much clear hence, I have a clear conscience about him and certain matters. This federal cabinet or defence ministry NoC is a technical thing in view of legal language. But to say that he hadn't obtained originally an NoC, is totally wrong. He had the NOC and he is not responsible for the mistake of legislators that didn't bring the same before Cabinet in first place but second time. Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif applied for an NOC & defence ministry granted one - how they granted and what kind of procedure they adopted, is total concern of the office issuing NOC and not the person requested as such. His appointment is clear and there is no legal violation and that is all matter in the end. A valid or non-valid NOC wasn't his issue rather any wrong but on part of political office. Blaming Raheel Sharif for the same is wrong however, you have all the remedy to call them politicos/legislators being incompetent that issued NOC without due process which is known to them.

MoD works under Cabinet and that was the argument by Attorney General whereby, Supreme Court directed to issue A FRESH NOC. For me it is clear and you shouldn't enforce your understanding upon me or anyone else. What matters in the end is that, he is clear by Law and after all the legal process hence, serving. The confusion was created by the most Army Haters at time and had it been the case of facts; I don't see any libido missing the bus to bash Army and malign in every way.



May be wrong is called wrong sometimes by the people but in my opinion it shouldn't be the case. So, you have your opinion and you can stick to that as long as you want but on other hand, nobody can force his/her opinion upon others and that is where Forum Rules are enforced. I will not try to hide under such lame excuse by blaming the Forum for this otherwise, the LOGOUT option is available that anyone can choose to stay away.

Well your personal understanding remains your personal matter because the SC of Pakistan was very explicit in its deliberation. MoD is just one body that accumulates to form Cabinet, but it can't act on Cabinets behalf unilaterally and this doesn't get much simple than that.
There was no confusion and its beyond the point of convincing you as well. The law clearly states that you need the permission from the government and NOT ONE MINISTRY. His previous NOC was not issued in accordance with the law and that's exactly why the SC intervened and ordered him to return within a months period in case the present government doesn't issue him a PROPER and an AUTHENTIC NOC.
You can debate in lengths about how it wasn't his fault and who should be blamed but the fact remains that the issue was handled by the SC and its verdict was crystal clear.

Forum rules are enforced based on the subjective interpretation of every mod(proofs can be furnished as well), I have no right to dictate them how to handle their affairs, but I do stand the right to echo my observations as long as they are n't in violation of any rules, so I do believe that you asking me to quit the forum is uncalled for and whether I decide to leave or stay that's my decision.

 

[The Eagle]

There was no confusion and its beyond the point of convincing you as well.

Instead of convincing people, state the fact if you have and just leave it.

Forum rules are enforced based on the subjective interpretation of every mod(proofs can be furnished as well), I have no right to dictate them how to handle their affairs, but I do stand the right to echo my observations as long as they are n't in violation of any rules, so I do believe that you asking me to quit the forum is uncalled for and whether I decide to leave or stay that's my decision.

Diverting subject to play victim card is not plausible. If you have issues, reach GHQ and share detailed observations/grievance or complaint. So either you want redressal or that is merely an echo of blame game. That is where as said, you have the choice to stay away from the topics that you don't agree and you still want to enforce your opinion hence, forum rules enforcement.

 

[Sheepistanis]

Instead of convincing people, state the fact if you have and just leave it.



Diverting subject to play victim card is not plausible. If you have issues, reach GHQ and share detailed observations/grievance or complaint. So either you want redressal or that is merely an echo of blame game. That is where as said, you have the choice to stay away from the topics that you don't agree and you still want to enforce your opinion hence, forum rules enforcement.

I only stated the facts and I have aided them with proofs, should you chose to disregard them out of your personal biases is non of my concern......

I didn't violate any forum rules, you can twist any word to have your way, also when I do speak, that is an expression of my own opinions and I never touted them to be in line with UN's manifesto. Let's not dwell on who tries to enforce opinions and who doesn't because that is not the topic and we don't need to state the obvious anyways. As you can see I rarely use the forum, but I m not someone who can be gagged under the pretext that I don't float along popular sentiments. So I will reiterate this one last time: Raheel Sharef never had the proper documents for serving in KSA and he was considered a security liability by the SC of Pakistan.