Famine spread in North Korea, 20K dead in single province this year

[harpoon]

The people in Cuba is not doing as well as people think. Despite her high per capita the people in Cuba only average about $20 a month paid by the government because she spends more than 10%/GDP on defense. Up to the mid 80s Cuba was heavily subsidized by the Soviet and she also developed her tourism industries where people come Canada and EU despite the sanctions. Recent years she also received helps and trades with many Latin countries especially from Venezuela who don't care what the US say.

Whatever it is Cubans don't go to bed hungry like the North Koreans where they are even forced to eat grass. Also Cubans enjoy much better healthcare than NK, where you can't even get antibiotics.

Except some food shipments from China and minimal helps from Russia where else she receives helps? Her long harsh winter also limited her food productions.

I'm not saying NK leaderships are innocent but their guilt is not they don't want to feed their people; they simply don't have the wherewithal. Their guilt lie on the fact they don't want to open up their economies when they see the obvious successes of China. Even though they would not achieved the same result as China because of the sanctions by the US, but at least it will bring enough food for the populace.

Without the US sanctions I'm sure many countries would have commercial dealings with her.

You said it. Kims are more concerned with their survival than the country's progress.

BTW When a country is threaten with demise everyday and with 37,000 troops and many more from SK station across the border, she would think defending her survivals supersede everything else. Good night.

The same can be said about SK, with North Korean guns poised to obliterate Seoul with in the first hours of war, but that didn't stop them from becoming a close to developed country.

 

[Tshering22]

and yet the world community couldn't put aside politics and offer help?

What a crazy logic you've got?! Aid is not anybody's "right" get it? It is an assistance for something that the nation complies. Everytime food goes into NK, the fat Kim and his agents take hold of it, any money goes in, they use it for nuclear or missile or military program.

What do you expect the world to do?

That's a very weird logic you've got.

 

[harpoon]

that didn't answa my question did it?

just in case if you have forgotten, do you support US sanctions on north korea?

You are not the only one with power to ask questions here.

just in case if you have forgotten, "Do you support Canada's support for US sanctions?"

you are wasting your time, you can educate a slave, he will just be an educated slaved thats it & full stop, one can never make a slave shed his slave mentality he can't even make his mind or take a stand on a simple thing about a country which he cant even locate on the map & you expect him to understand the above? lol

LOL..Says a person whose country is considered the 51st state of US. Anyways you still didn't comment on your struggle against the Queen of England for separate French Canada.

 

[Korean]

Come on man. How can NK folks revolt?

When the revolt starts from the military.

 

[Korean]

Really? It is forbidden to say good things about Korea on-line in South Korea and even got prison and fined.

What are you talking about?

If South Korea were not afraid of 'free information' why would the government force to push the internet identification policy?

To hold people responsible for what they say. Too many people in the heat of anger post personal attacks and insults against another, or spread false information to manipulate stock market, etc. So what the government is suggesting is that you should post what you want to say with your real name on instead of made-up user ID. That alone will make you think before posting personal insults that could trigger libel lawsuits. Major newspapers already do this in their opinion(accordingly their messages are civilized) while portals do not, so portal's posts and messages are much more rude and vulgar.

Other than that, Korea guarantees enough freedom of speech that enables Japanese rightwingers and Chinese nationalists to come over en-mass and flood with message boards with anti-Korea messages, and we have taken that as a price of the freedom of speech.

 

[VCheng]

I'm not saying their leadership shouldn't be blamed and in fact they should. ......................
I personally blame the US first for their sanctions and belligerents and then others.

The blame for North Korean famine belongs to their leadership, fair and square, nobody else.

I disagree with your personal opinion about USA's role in this case, but it is your right to hold it.

 

[Korean]

The blame for North Korean famine belongs to their leadership, fair and square, nobody else.

And China which sustains the evil regime.

 

[Fanling Monk]

that didn't answa my question did it?

just in case if you have forgotten, do you support US sanctions on north korea?



you are wasting your time, you can educate a slave, he will just be an educated slaved thats it & full stop, one can never make a slave shed his slave mentality he can't even make his mind or take a stand on a simple thing about a country which he cant even locate on the map & you expect him to understand the above? lol

Perhaps you're right, I can do better thing with my time.

 

[Sashan]

I feel like throwing up.
Indians and their slave mentality, disgusting.

North Koreans are vanishing and these Indians are making excuses for the illegal sanctions and embargos of the US! You guys even repeat the same bull **** they say.

Where did this come from?

Do you understand the policy of North Korea? There is a policy called "Military First" in NK (just want to be clear that the majority of national produce gets diverted to the military) where much of the aid illegally gets diverted to the military(at every given chance) even the ones provided by US and others on humanitarian grounds. And the embargo was by UN and not US. And look for UN security council resolution 1874 which says aid only on humanitarian grounds while other sanctions were placed on NK - And there was another thread about Syria and how China/Russia vetoed the US proposals. Why not China do the same for NK?

So do not blame it on US(and don't call us slaves - we comprehend what is reality and what is not very well)

 

[gambit]

The people in Cuba is not doing as well as people think. Despite her high per capita the people in Cuba only average about $20 a month paid by the government because she spends more than 10%/GDP on defense. Up to the mid 80s Cuba was heavily subsidized by the Soviet and she also developed her tourism industries where people come Canada and EU despite the sanctions. Recent years she also received helps and trades with many Latin countries especially from Venezuela who don't care what the US say.

Except some food shipments from China and minimal helps from Russia where else she receives helps? Her long harsh winter also limited her food productions.

I'm not saying NK leaderships are innocent but their guilt is not they don't want to feed their people; they simply don't have the wherewithal. Their guilt lie on the fact they don't want to open up their economies when they see the obvious successes of China. Even though they would not achieved the same result as China because of the sanctions by the US, but at least it will bring enough food for the populace.

Without the US sanctions I'm sure many countries would have commercial dealings with her.

BTW When a country is threaten with demise everyday and with 37,000 troops and many more from SK station across the border, she would think defending her survivals supersede everything else. Good night.

The threats goes both ways. The question is why is South Korea the superior in terms of EVERYTHING? Does North Korea have no friends and/or sponsors? Judging from the comments here from the Chinese, the Iranians, and the Pakistanis, North Korea should be doing just as well.

Trade is a privilege, not a right. Meaning that the most 'right' you have is to propose a relationship, never the imposition of one. Access to North Korea's citizenry is just as much a privilege as access to India's or Britain's or US or Chinese citizenry. Companion to privilege of access is the right of refusal in spite of accessibility, meaning that even though a market is available for access, any country have the right not to enter into a relationship for any reason. North Korea chose to exercise both: Denial of access and refusal to participate.

But of course, the US must be blamed to distract everyone from these truths...That Canada have an active trade relationship with Cuba...

CBC News In Depth: Cuba

Trade between Canada and Cuba totals almost $1 billion. About 22 per cent of Cuban exports go to Canada, second only to the Netherlands with about 24 per cent. Canada ranks fifth in exports to Cuba, behind Spain, Venezuela, the U.S. and China.

(A U.S. law passed in October 2000 allowing Cuba to buy U.S. food products, provided Cuba pays cash. Cuba started purchasing food more than a year later after the damage caused by Hurricane Michelle.)

...While Cuba is under US sanction. Same for Viet Nam when it was the South Koreans and the Japanese who entered the country while the Americans were not allowed by their governments.

So blame US away, you will end up looking like fools in the face of truths no matter how much you cast. The more the greater the fools you are.

 

[Fanling Monk]

@ Gambit

I never said the NK leadership are blameless and in fact they are. Naturally a person like you would defend and glorify your adopted government no matter what. To you they probably can do no wrong.

 

[VCheng]

And China which sustains the evil regime.

I would say that China's support of the NK regime represents a huge foreign policy success on the regime's part. If that support serves China's national interests as well, then they will do it, of course.

 

[gambit]

@ Gambit

I never said the NK leadership are blameless and in fact they are. Naturally a person like you would defend and glorify your adopted government no matter what. To you they probably can do no wrong.

Then stay focus: Trade is a privilege, not a right, and equally important to that privilege is the right of participation. North Korea exercised both: Denial of privilege and refusal to participate. The rest of the world also have the same privilege and right. Or do you Chinese believe in something else?

 

[Fanling Monk]

The blame for North Korean famine belongs to their leadership, fair and square, nobody else.

I disagree with your personal opinion about USA's role in this case, but it is your right to hold it.

The US has been rich and powerful for so long in such a way that her government view everything on their perspectives. If any country doesn't toe their world views they take it as insult and look for ways to deter that country. There are people in this world who, because of religion, culture, or social custom differences, who do not see thing the same way as the US Government and operate differently. There is no right and wrong in this, just simply different. Perhaps someday the USG can put themselves on others' shoes and try to see thing from the other side, the views might just in fact different.

Sanction, to me, is a very ugly word. People sitting on cushy chairs with drinks on their hands and cigars in their plump lips decide the fates and livelihoods of average denizens of another country because of political differences. There are better ways to handle this and they just don't bother to look because it is not their lives that's suffering.

 

[VCheng]

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Sanction, to me, is a very ugly word. People sitting on cushy chairs with drinks on their hands and cigars in their plump lips decide the fates and livelihoods of average denizens of another country because of political differences. There are better ways to handle this and they just don't bother to look because it is not their lives that's suffering.

International geopolitics never has, and never will, work on such sentimentality.