Fair Solution to IOK: Continuation of International border trajectory

[ZYXW]

I agree with you. I have given up taking stand on these issues.Its not worth it.

On one hand Pakistan has enemies on all sides, on the other hand, Pakistani politicians, establishment,military, judiciary and bureaucracy are using Pakistan as a parking lot. All their assets are out of the country and once they retire they also fly from the country. Can you imagine such a big comedy circus.
Army chief, Chief justices, ISI Chief all left Pakistan after their retirements, unbelieveable.

No point in standing up or talking about it, get up and be the change you want to see. It is the silence of good men and women that has destroyed pakistan more than the politicians and its enemies. But god willing, it will all change! May both india and pakistan progress and give all of their citizens the decent life every human being deserves to have.

 

[OrionHunter]

Give us back our Kashmir, Punjab, West Bengal and Uttar Pardesh.

Pleeeassse take Bihar, along with Lalu Prasad Yadav!! That will be the best confidence building measure!

 

[nForce]

Please correct it, India is not our enemy. India is our integral part. Any occupation in India is illegal.

Cycle kharidne ki auqad nhi hai, chale hain jumbo jet kharidne

Pleeeassse take Bihar, along with Lalu Prasad Yadav!! That will be the best confidence building measure!

Actually Bihar has improved dramatically under Nitish Kumar...So no.. no more Bihar.. They can take only Lalu..

 

[Rahi812]

Cycle kharidne ki auqad nhi hai, chale hain jumbo jet kharidne


Actually Bihar has improved dramatically under Nitish Kumar...So no.. no more Bihar.. They can take only Lalu..

We will keep Bihar and Lalu is all yours. Delhi is our Kejriwal is yours. Kashmir is ours and Hina Bhat is yours. Gujrat is ours with Modi too. We have to keep him, and he is a big mouth.

 

[nForce]

We will keep Bihar and Lalu is all yours. Delhi is our Kejriwal is yours. Kashmir is ours and Hina Bhat is yours. Gujrat is ours with Modi too. We have to keep him, and he is a big mouth.

Why don't you try to build something for yourself ? No can do ?

 

[Rahi812]

Why don't you try to build something for yourself ? No can do ?

We are building tongue holding machine for Modi. This machine will hold his tongue when he talk about Pakistan.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

[QUOTE="Azad-Kashmiri,You don't sell Muslims and their honour for MONEY!/QUOTE]

But that is what Pakistan has been doing exactly since its birth. Heck even when you are pissing off reading these lines, some people are trying to make a consensus in Pakistan to send its army to Syria for fighting in place of Sauds.

Using part of a quote referring to Kashmir and then trying to relate it to something else speaks volumes about your character. I'm ALL for sending our boys into Syria to stop the bloodshed of MUSLIMS. It is our Islamic duty to help them. We should have done more to help the Syrians, i.e taken in refugees.

So I suggest you keep ''pissing-off''!

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

Frightening pictures! Line of men and women holding-up their 'ration cards'. Totally staged! You can barely see the soldiers in the background! Who goes around standing ques with 'ration-cards'. The last picture is REALLY threatening! A soldier with a stick and a rifle. May ALLAH protect my fellow Kashmiris in IOK!



You don't sell Muslims and their honour for MONEY!



No problem, I'm a Kashmiri. We want to stay with Pakistan. What a stupid question to ask a MUSLIM of A.K! We ALL want to be with MUSLIM Pakistan. What has Baluchistan have to so with Kashmir thread?



Constitiution is secular and not Islamic. There is NO and NEVER was Sharia Law in Pakistan.

Using part of a quote referring to Kashmir and then trying to relate it to something else speaks volumes about your character. I'm ALL for sending our boys into Syria to stop the bloodshed of MUSLIMS. It is our Islamic duty to help them. We should have done more to help the Syrians, i.e taken in refugees.

So I suggest you keep ''pissing-off''!

Great ! keep thinking on this line, we need some more rest and energy to concentrate on development, which will only be possible as long as you people will think and act on this line.

 

[Ragnar]

Payncho what is happening in this thread. Give Kashmir, Bihar Dilli etc. Saale bhikmange.

 

[Rahi812]

Payncho what is happening in this thread. Give Kashmir, Bihar Dilli etc. Saale bhikmange.

We also want Modi to prosecute for hate and terrorist crimes.

Why don't you try to build something for yourself ? No can do ?

We will definitely build New Delhi, New Kashmir, New Bihar, New Luchknow, New Allahabad and New Gujrat.

We will put statues of Indians Copy Cats in those cities to show comng generations that what these copy cats has done to this world.

for that to happen u have to take back the part of J &K gifted to China and remove the forces from Azad Kashmir.


Jammu city and surrounding villages was overwhelmingly muslim majority before 1947.
Even lahore and many other cities were Hindu and sikh majority before 1947.

Meanwhile you keep serving lizards in your airline menu

Lizard found in Air India meal — incident creates furore on social media | ARY NEWS

You can't run a airline, how can you run whole Kashmir. Copy Cats

 

[Abhitej]

We are building tongue holding machine for Modi. This machine will hold his tongue when he talk about Pakistan.

You can have the bell. But who will bell the cat.

 

[sms]

When disputes are not resolvable by two parties regarding territory or transnational issues, it is often referred to the UN. If and when one party backs out from their promise and refuses to back down from brutal occupation for seven decades, then an out of the box solution, based on logic, compromise and common sense seems to be the only option to avoid all out war and a nuclear wasteland where the subcontinent used to be. Hence, I propose this most reasonable compromise for resolution of IOK.

As we know, the international border based on the radcliffe award tried to incorporate the logic of continuity as well as consideration for majority population of bordering districts. Though this was politicized in certain cases where the logic wasn't followed like Ferozepur, Gurdaspur, Pathankot and Kutch, for the most part rest of the border was done on this basis. This border also roughly approximates the Gurdaspur Kathiawar salient, which separates the Indus basin from ganges watershed. Hence it is a good divider to go by in terms of culture, religion and race, alongside nationality.
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Where is the logic in this post. It just shows your greed and asumptions that stupid baniya being in strong position will give up thier land.

I have a better idea, as India claims and wants the World to believe it's a ''civilised'' nation based on democracy, then why not ASK Kashmiris in IOK what they want? It's not so difficult, is it?

Why dont a peace loving nation in west fullfil its obligation return land to India and give the right to Kashimiris in Azad Kashmir to choose?

that sounds pretty good..Pakistan and india once solve this issue then Pakistan may help india and china to solve their border dispute.
its a region which gonna be next europe. we have to solve it for our next generations...

I've better Idea clean up all terrorist scums and bring peace, safty and prosperity to Pakistan first. It's ironic that country is burning and evy one is obsessed with Kashmir.

Let's analyse the situation using the actual, dictionary meaning of the words you've so effortlessly used.
1. Logic: Logic dictates that the stronger party dictates or dominates the proceedings of any negotiation and seek more benefits/advntages, unless he/it chooses to waive off his advantage. Please explain why would India, the stronger party in this case, even take part or allow a negotiation where she would be on the losing side.

2. Compromise:(an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions) It appears the Pakistani definition of compromise is that India will give up territory, strategic advantage without Pakistan making any compromise. Sorry, not going to happen.

It's also well implied that in a negotiation, the weaker party generally accepts more compromise, or at the very most, both sides make equal compromise. So please explain why the evil Baniyas would be the compromising party?

3. Common Sense: So you're telling us that India, which cannot be militarily defeated by Pak, which could absorb 25 years of a major insurgency in Kashmir without any significant loss, which is 10 times the size of Pakistan economically, and which holds the said territory would simply surrender and retreat and hand it over to Pakistan, and that would be common sense for India?

I understand that you believe we are idiots, mentally retarded, but even that wouldn't be enough for us to simply surrender to a weaker nation.

First learn and understand the ground realities before coming up with your "most reasonable compromise". They sound more fiction than fiction itself. India is not going to enter into any negotiation about giving up its held territory. Infact, India isn't going to enter into any negotiation at all until there is something in it for us.

The people at the helm of India are no longer the pre-independence generation. There is no sympathy, no yearning for good relationship with Pakistan. Pakistan and any disputes concerning Pak will be negotiated according to cold logic and ground realities.

Sir, it happens when nonsense is sold as common sense and Pakistan is a shining beacon on nos stop nonsense.

I can draw a better line than the OP.

Here it goes...
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I think most of the Indians would agree with me on this

I disagree and strongly condemn your proposal .... sir you cannot ignore geographical conditions and historical significance. Following must be the new line.... along with Indus river

 

[Rahi812]

You can have the bell. But who will bell the cat.

Please make necessary correction he is not a cat he is a rat.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Why dont a peace loving nation in west fullfil its obligation return land to India and give the right to Kashimiris in Azad Kashmir to choose?

I refer you to my previous post on this thread. It seems like all you Indians think a like. I'm a Kashmiri, I have FULL rights and my love for my country PAKISTAN is unmovable. Like I said to one of your lot, my views are typical of Kashmiris in A.K. Now you know our views of staying with Pakistan, and now follow suit and get out of IOK. It belongs to Muslims and therefore to Pakistan. Our brethren in IOK showing their views of wanting to be with us through high risk to themselves of death from Indian soldiers are waving our flag.

 

[MarkovChain]

It belongs to Muslims and therefore to Pakistan.

Unlike Pakistan which is an Islamic state, India has a secular constitution, a sizeable minority in Muslims, Christians and Sikhs. 14% of our Indians are Muslims forming 140m population (2/3 the size of Pakistan) and the Muslim population in India has doubled over the last 50 years - quite unlike Pakistan where Hindus are pretty much kicked out (now don't troll saying Gujarat happened etc - those are one off incidences and doesn't reflect how integrated Muslims are in India). 90% of Nagaland are Christians. This representation rules out the two nation theory held by Pakistanis that Hindus form India and Muslims form Pakistan - and hence the logic of Kashmir belonging to Pakistan on the basis of religion is ruled out.

Our brethren in IOK showing their views of wanting to be with us through high risk to themselves of death from Indian soldiers are waving our flag.

They recently waved ISIS flags too - so India should accede to ISIS? They were selling Hitler ice creams in UP, so Uttar Pradesh should become a part of Nazi Germany?