Failed Experiment.

[pakpride00090]

Someone even shot him for his outspokenness. All Pakistani journos have agendas ,i listen to their views with a pinch of salt.Regarding establishments change of heart i heard this from my own Family member in the LOOP as well(hush hush!!!).
Again who are they to decide our fates. I am personally sick and tired of their chops and changes.

Every guy over here who even has a chaparasi in the army will say he knows what the establishment thinks... Loll

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Every guy over here who even has a chaparasi in the army will say he knows what the establishment thinks... Loll

You are absolutely right

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pakistan has no shortage of Chuity@'s, I see many here on PDF believing and propagating Najam Sethi

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

We all love our armed forces from the bottom of our hearts,make no mistake about it. But Pakistan has paid a huge price by constant meddling from the FEW. This interview was recorded by ARY 12 years ago. You may hate MNS(respect your opinion) but these words are still valid as of today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1165586834644070400

 

[The Accountant]

We all love our armed forces from the bottom of our hearts,make no mistake about it. But Pakistan has paid a huge price by constant meddling from the FEW. This interview was recorded by ARY 12 years ago. You may hate MNS(respect your opinion) but these words are still valid as of today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1165586834644070400

Agreed our armed forces meddle too much in politics but this is not about armed forces. If you want to make them accountable go ahead but what about your own corruption? what about murder of merit? What about destruction of institute of parliament? What about attacking the judiciary by NS?

So he want to make aremd forces accountable for using excessive power but not for the sake of country but for ensuring that no body can question him for using the country's resources for his own personal benefits.

Intent matters alot. I would have been stand with NS had he been doing this not for his personal sake but for making things right for the country but this is all personal for him. Assume if establishment agrees to support MN in becoming PM in place of IK, will he be doing the same against armed forces or will he stand with the same principal ?

 

[VCheng]

Agreed our armed forces meddle too much in politics but this is not about armed forces. If you want to make them accountable go ahead but what about your own corruption? what about murder of merit? What about destruction of institute of parliament? What about attacking the judiciary by NS?

When it is in the interests of the one institution that is above any constitutional law to keep all other institutions of state malfunctioning in order to preserve its hegemony on power, the situation that you decry evolves over decades. It is only a natural consequence.

 

[The Accountant]

When it is in the interests of the one institution that is above any constitutional law to keep all other institutions of state malfunctioning in order to preserve its hegemony on power, the situation that you decry evolves over decades. It is only a natural consequence.

I agree but NS is not cure to the problem as his intentions are not to change the course in favor of people of Pakistan but to replace status of army chief by himself.

Why should I support one power hungry man over the other given that the first one is only hungry for power the other one is not just hungry for power but also hungry for wealth as well.

I will always bet with IK, tough inexperience and lack teams but atleast has desire for well being of people of Pakistan and not for his own personal wealth and power.

This is a long process sooner or later more people like IK will rise up and will strengthen the democracy and eventually our parliament will be strong enough to make armed forces accountable. But those days are far fetch.

 

[AZ1]

We all love our armed forces from the bottom of our hearts,make no mistake about it. But Pakistan has paid a huge price by constant meddling from the FEW. This interview was recorded by ARY 12 years ago. You may hate MNS(respect your opinion) but these words are still valid as of today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1165586834644070400

Give me one country where establishmentnis not involve even in USA.

Why NS failed to deliver because his policies hurt people in longer run. Take pmln last 5 years. He made country econony base on imports and loan and now we are paying. Truth is he never care about ppl of Pakistan except his rule otherwise pakistan could be in better position economically by now.

 

[VCheng]

I agree but NS is not cure to the problem as his intentions are not to change the course in favor of people of Pakistan but to replace status of army chief by himself.

Why should I support one power hungry man over the other given that the first one is only hungry for power the other one is not just hungry for power but also hungry for wealth as well.

I will always bet with IK, tough inexperience and lack teams but atleast has desire for well being of people of Pakistan and not for his own personal wealth and power.

This is a long process sooner or later more people like IK will rise up and will strengthen the democracy and eventually our parliament will be strong enough to make armed forces accountable. But those days are far fetch.

First of all, let us see PMIK through the remainder of his first term to see whether he can deliver on his promises, and if so, to what extent. Everything else will follow from that evaluation.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

All of us here with differing opinions are united and agree to what our Quaid e azam said.

 

[SIPRA]

@RIWWIR well, supreme leader is Londonistan... how many platelets do you think?

The rascal has only routine health issues.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Give me one country where establishmentnis not involve even in USA.

I agree but not as much as Pakistan ,if we call ourselves a democracy. A whole new thread can be made on this !!!!To be honest three As have ruled Pakistan,Army,Allah and America. I just dont want to open another Pandora Box.
The corporate empire is now only being mached up by the Egyptians.Too much at stake here!!!

 

[Verve]

Today i came across an interesting article by Najam Sethi(many might dislike/disagree with him).

Some people think that the Military Establishment – Miltablishment – has emerged stronger than ever from the recent crisis. They say Imran Khan has been weakened, Nawaz Sharif has “fled” the country like a coward, Maulana Fazalur Rahman’s dharma has flopped, the judiciary has been discredited and the media remains in chains. But there’s another way of reflecting on the current situation.

The big loser is the Miltablishment. It has been stripped off its “sacred cow” status and thoroughly discredited for its blundering political interventions. The first stone was cast by Nawaz Sharif when he alluded to the rigging of the last elections by “Khalai Makhlooq”. Then Maulana Fazal pitched in with his priceless remark about “Nikay da Abba”. By the time his Dharna took place, the Maulana and his lieutenants were openly accusing the Miltablishment by name of “disappearing” people, rigging the elections, selecting the prime minister and manipulating the judges. Such discrediting is more troubling because it is happening, for the first time, in the Militablishment’s home ground of Punjab. Worse, the PTI that has most benefitted from the military’s interventions is dejected because it suspects that Nawaz Sharif’s exit could not have materialized without the Miltablsihment’s active involvement, leading to speculation of some sort “deal” with the Sharifs at the expense of Imran Khan. Now someone has had the gall to petition, on grounds of religious faith, the Peshawar High Court against the extension to the army chief given by the Prime Minister. Now the Pakistan Bar Association has announced November 28 as a “black day” to protest the army chief’s extension!
This is shocking. Until recently, no one could say a bad word or attribute a selfish motive to the military and its leaders. Indeed, we were compelled to use the term “Establishment” when discussing military matters. Challenging the army chief by name was unthinkable. Now all this is par for the course because the military leadership has started to engineer the political system and manipulate the political parties quite nakedly, the more so since such interventions have been exposed to be shoddy, biased and unworkable. This was bound to happen when all popular stakeholders in the political system are blatantly marginalized and harassed to the point where they have nothing to lose by naming names and shrieking murder.



As far as the Maulana’s dharna is concerned, it is true that he couldn’t extract the PM’s resignation and compel another round of elections. But it can be argued that perhaps that was only his stated objective while the true motive of the dharna was to focus on, and undermine, the Miltablishment leadership that “selected” Khan in the first place and has propped him up since. The logic of this indirect approach is inescapable: by challenging and exposing the Miltablishment, he was buffeting the pillar on which the PTI government stands and deepening the cracks in that unholy alliance. Certainly, the pointed accusations during the dharna, followed by the petition in the Peshawar High Court, would seem to confirm this line of reasoning. Indeed, the timing of the dharna in November may be said to align with the proposed retirement/extension in the tenure of the army chief most directly charged with the political engineering that has aroused the ire of all the other stakeholders. So when the Maulana claims his dharna was successful and he got what he wanted, we can only deduce that it has must have something to do with the Miltablishment which should become clear soon enough.
Nawaz Sharif’s narrative is also alive and kicking. His supporters and voters in the Punjab are relieved that he will live to fight another day. They are a cynical lot, having learnt to shrug off the martyrdoms of the Bhuttos. They rallied around Nawaz when he returned to Pakistan after ten years in exile and they will likely do the same again when he returns or when his heir apparent Maryam steps into the arena.

Imran Khan is the biggest loser. His “same page with the Miltablishment” roar is sounding hollow. His allies are beginning to flap their wings. His words and body language suggest an erosion of trust with the “Selector” and deep anguish about the current situation. He senses a state of siege, and therefore wants to bring back loyalists into the team. Now the NAB chairman has announced his intention to target the PTI to redress the balance. And the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Justice Asif Khosa, has ticked him off for doubting the credentials of the judiciary by letting Nawaz Sharif off the hook.
The Miltablishment’s “experiment” with Imran Khan has come a cropper and its credibility has plunged. Imran Khan is clearly not the man of the hour billed by his supporters. On the other hand, Nawaz Sharif’s popularity has soared (a recent poll shows he would sweep the elections now) while Maulana Fazal has overnight become a leader of substance. It’s only a matter of time before the Miltablishment’s latest experiment is relegated to the dustbin of Pakistani history and we are obliged to start at the beginning all over again.
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/failed-experiment/
Please Note: Some might not agree with the authors view it will be helpful if the debate is kept civilised.Thanks

Words of Separatist and Terrorist have no value! This scum is anti-Pakistan through and through.

You can love him all you want but he is hated by majority!

 

[Verve]

Someone even shot him for his outspokenness.

And the proof is him wearing a bandage over this t-shirt? Right Fool Patwari?

 

[Flight of falcon]

And the proof is him wearing a bandage over this t-shirt? Right Fool Patwari?

Bulk of opposition in Pakistan is made up of corrupt (PML) , illiterate (PPP) haramkhours (achakzai) those who never accepted Pakistan (Diesel), gays(Fazal) and trans (Bilawal )........

Those writing against please pick which category they belong to...

IK needs time to fix genetic mutations that has been introduced in our nation for the past 70 years. Those in hurry should move to their beloved India.