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Failed Attacks in UK!!!

Indian Muslims upset over UK terror links
(IANS)

6 July 2007

NEW DELHI — Muslims in India reacted yesterday with dismay, anger and disbelief over the arrest of three Indian doctors in the car bomb attack in Britain that has for the first time linked the community in this country to Al Qaeda.

Many of the young and the old in the country's largest minority said it was difficult for them to even accept that Indian Muslims could anyway be linked to any international terror plot.

“Indian doctors plotting mass murder? I find that extremely difficult to comprehend,” Kashmiri businessman Tamiiz Ahmad Dar told IANS, echoing a widely held view in the community that has until now scrupulously kept away from Al Qaeda and its terror network.

Indian Muslims have remained far away from Al Qaeda — a point that was noted globally.

Haris Beeran, 30 and a lawyer with the Supreme Court here, said that if the Indians were guilty, "it is most unfortunate thing to happen. I cannot accept it or justify it.

"I can still excuse a Pakistani or an Afghani indulging in radicalism because they are not getting any chance to mix with others," Beeran said. "I think when Indians go abroad, they get mixed up with radical groups. Naturally, they tend to get a different mindset."

Qasim Rasool Ilyas, convenor of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, admitted that it was the first time Indians were coming under suspicion. But he argued it would be wrong to tar the entire Indian Muslim community.

Politician and former diplomat Syed Shabuddin was blunt. "Of the 150 million Indian Muslims, if you find one or two odd ones, what is the big deal?" he asked with indignation. "And even these need to be tried and found guilty of actually committing the crime."

Shahid Siddiqui, an MP from the Samajwadi Party, voiced concern over the involvement of Indians in the terror plot.

"In the past too some people were detained on the basis of mere suspicion and let off for want of concrete evidence. But if actually some Indian Muslims are found to be involved, this is a serious cause of concern both for the Muslims and the nation as well because so far India has had a very good record."

Some Muslim leaders insisted that the arrests in Britain and Australia were a conspiracy against Islam.

Masum Muradabadi, editor of Khabardar Jadeed, an Urdu weekly from New Delhi, claimed there was an international campaign to paint "anyone wearing a skullcap and sporting a beard as a terrorist.

"At every international airport a Muslim is looked with suspicion and apprehension. This has become a big source of harassment of Muslims. This in turn creates resentment among good sections of Muslims. Muslims really don't know what to do... No human rights group is coming to help the Muslims."

Moulvi Mohammed Mouzzam Ahmed, the Naib Imam of Old Delhi's 16th century Fatehpuri mosque, was evasive about the Indian Muslim involvement, blaming it on all on the US and Jews.

"There is conspiracy to defame the Indian Muslim," he said.

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2 UK bomb suspects looked into U.S. jobs

LONDON - The FBI said Friday that two suspects in the failed car bombings in Britain had made inquiries about working in the United States, and an Iraqi doctor arrested at the attack on Glasgow airport became the first person charged in the terror plot.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown warned Britons to expect increased security measures to guard against more attacks, but he expressed confidence investigators were unraveling the group behind the bombing attempts in London and Glasgow.

"From what I know, we are getting to the bottom of this cell that has been responsible for what is happening," Brown told British Broadcasting Corp.

Police were being stretched to the limit over the weekend with the Wimbledon tennis tournament, the Tour de France in London and a Live Earth concert starring Madonna. Several ceremonies also were planned Saturday to mark the second anniversary of suicide bombings that killed 52 people and wounded more than 700 in London on July 7, 2005.

"We have got to avoid the possibility — and it is very, very difficult — that people can use crowded places for explosions," Brown said.

On June 29, police defused two car bombs left to blow up near packed nightclubs and pubs in central London. The following day, two men rammed a Jeep loaded with gasoline canisters into the main terminal at Glasgow's airport, failing to set off an explosion but seriously burning one of suspects.

In all, eight people are now in custody — all thought to be Muslim foreigners who worked for Britain's National Health Service. Seven are being held in Britain and one in Australia.

An FBI spokeswoman said Friday that two of the suspects — Mohammed Asha, 26, and another man whose name she didn't give — contacted the Philadelphia-based Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates, confirming a story first reported by The Philadelphia Inquirer.

Asha, a Jordanian physician of Palestinian heritage, contacted the agency within the last year, but apparently did not take the test for foreign medical school graduates, said the spokeswoman, Nancy O'Dowd.

"He was applying. We don't believe he took the test," she said.

Stephen Seeling, the commission's vice president of operations, said FBI agents visited the office in West Philadelphia this week, but said he could not discuss details about what they were looking for because of privacy rules.

The nonprofit commission verifies the credentials of foreign medical school graduates, evaluates individuals' medical knowledge and administers exams. It represents just one step in a process foreigners must go through to obtain training as a medical resident in the U.S.

"We're a vetting organization that reviews applicants at the early stages," Seeling said.

There is no guarantee an applicant certified by the commission will ever practice medicine in the U.S. Seeling noted decisions about whether to issue visas to foreign doctors lies with federal immigration officials.

In London, meanwhile, Iraqi-born doctor Bilal Abdullah, 27, was charged Friday with conspiring to cause explosions, a police spokeswoman said, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with police force policy.

Abdullah was arrested at Glasgow Airport, where he allegedly was a passenger in the Jeep Cherokee that crashed into the terminal entrance.

The police statement came shortly after prosecutors said they had authorized the charge.

"I have now made the decision that there is sufficient evidence and authorized the charging of Bilal Abdullah with conspiracy to cause explosions," said Susan Hemming, an anti-terrorism prosecutor.

Prosecutors said Abdullah would appear at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court on Saturday.

Police Sgt. Torquil Campbell, who apprehended Abdullah and the Jeep's driver, at the airport, said: "It was as if they were waiting there to get blown up."

Abdullah has been described as an intensely militant Muslim at the University of Cambridge. His status at the university is unclear but records show he graduated in Baghdad in 2004.

As police investigators work to determine what brought the eight suspects together, British intelligence agencies are looking for possible international links, said an intelligence official and another government official. Both spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

"We've known for quite some time of al-Qaida's growth in Iraq," the government official told The Associated Press. "Iraq is an obvious place to look for connections, but it's not the only country link we're investigating."

MI5, Britain's domestic intelligence agency, said on its Web site that some Britons had joined the insurgency in Iraq. "In the longer term, it is possible that they may later return to the UK and consider mounting attacks here," it said.

Al-Qaida in Iraq is believed to have become better organized since Abu Ayyub al-Masri, an Egyptian, became its leader after Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian killed by a U.S. airstrike a year ago. Iraqi officials say the terror group also is delegating more authority to sympathetic cells in other countries.

In Australia, police seized computers from two hospitals Friday as they explored connections between the British plotters and suspect Muhammad Haneef, an Indian doctor arrested there late Monday as he tried to leave that country.

"There are a number of people now being interviewed as part of this investigation. It doesn't mean that they're all suspects, but it is quite a complex investigation and the links to the U.K. are becoming more concrete," said Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty.

Muslim groups in Britain placed advertisements in national newspapers Friday praising the emergency services and declaring that Islamic terror attacks were "not in our name," borrowing a slogan from the protests in Britain against participation in the invasion of Iraq.

The ads also quoted the Quran: "Whoever kills an innocent soul, it is as if he killed the whole of mankind. And whoever saves one, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070706/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terrorism;_ylt=Aj_RmA77Dnma0fwiX2BYCPis0NUE
 
We need to have an official govt inquiry into the attacks unlike last time during 7/7 where there was no official govt inquiry.
The security services suck in billions of public money but still can not stop these attacks.
All these wank*rs involved in terror in the UK are know to M15,why the fu*k do they not arrest them.
We recently found out in the UK is that the failed bombers where on a terrorist list.
I am not a conspiracy nut or anything but i am convinced that M15 know who the rerrorist are but are letting certain cells carry out there ops so as to scare the population into accepting draconian laws.

They stopped the attack this time.
 
What is more shamefully is doctors who are supposed to save life irrespective of the religion of the patients, would plan to kill people. How really shameful.

If these doctors were so hateful of the British public,why the hell did they treat British patients? How can you hate and save somebody at the same time.

Seeing death and destruction is a part of daily life for a doctor. How could they decide to seek revenge for it? and revenge for which people? If they decided to seek revenge for the people of the faith they believe in,then they are not doctors, as they distinguish between the life of person from one faith to another.

sad indeed.
Such doctors do not deserve to serve the people.
 
Dr Maqbool Ahmed, a Bangalore resident, has told the police that the man being treated for severe burns in a UK hospital is his son. The British police allege Kafeel Ahmed, 27, is the terrorist who rammed a flaming Jeep Cherokee into a terminal at the Glasgow international airport on June 30. Eight persons have been detained in connection with the British terrorist plot. [1212 hrs IST]
 
very sad indeed, hope he gets the desevered punishment from the UK, as well as god has given him the apt punishment of burns all over yet living to see it and feel it. The way he wanted other people to die... god is great
 
Oh please, spare me

There is something called prosecuteable evidence, Do you want them to get out of court on a technicaility.

I sent you a video from sky news that said that they had exercise at the four places where the bombs went off on the same day.Do you know what the odds are are of that?
I sent you another video from CCN that shows a intelligence guy saying that MI5 are hiding the mastermind behind the london bombing,haroon aswad who just so happened to be no2 to Abu Hamza at al mujahiroun.
I did not make these videos there are from respected western news agency's.
If after watching the videos you are not slightly suspicious then they really have got you brainwashed.
The british govt did not jail a man linked to the far right parties in the uk caught with largest amount of bomb making chemicals,chemical suits and all the other things to go with a chemical attack....prosecuteable evidence?
Just yesterday they jailed a guy for 8 years for having a couple of jihad videos and a "bomb making manual" better know as the anarchist cookbook which nearly every schoolboy had a couple of years ago......prosecuteable evidence?
No terrorist is going to carry on doing what he is doing if he knows he is being watched.
 
Terror fight 'may take 15 years'

Admiral Sir Alan West said he hated the phrase "war on terror"
The battle to deal with radicalisation in the fight against terrorism could take up to 15 years to achieve, says the UK's new security minister.
Former navy chief Admiral Sir Alan West told the Sunday Telegraph the UK faced a "disparate core" of "racist" people, often based abroad, who wanted power.

And he urged people to be "un-British" by "snitching" to the authorities.

Meanwhile Gordon Brown said he wanted a system put in place across Europe to help identify potential suspects.

In his first interview since being appointed by the prime minister, Sir Alan said he hated the expression "war on terror", saying it was "totally wrong" for the current situation.

"It's not like a war in that sense at all. It demeans the value of a war and it demeans the value of a lot of things," he told the paper.

The people we are talking about are trying to destroy our entire way of life

Admiral Sir Alan West
Security minister

BBC political correspondent Sean Curran said Sir Alan and other political leaders saw the situation as being more comparable with the Cold War, in that it was a "long haul" task in which a "battle of ideas" needed to be won.

Sir Alan said the new prime minister had asked him to help "sort out" the government's response to the terror threat, when he appointed him last week.

The most important aspect of countering the terror threat was prevention of the radicalisation of young Muslims, he said.

He said: "This is not a quick thing. I believe it will take 10 to 15 years."

'Muslim community'

Sir Alan described those threatening Britain as "racist, they're bigoted, they seek power, they're avaricious in money terms and they talk of the caliphate."

The term caliphate generally refers to the dream of unified Islamic rule, with Sharia law applying to all.

Sir Alan also disagreed with the use of general phrases such as "the Muslim community".

"I have a lot of Muslim friends and they see themselves as British. We've got to be very careful. The threat is to our British way of life and all of our British people."

He added: "Britishness does not normally involve snitching or talking about someone.

"I'm afraid, in this situation, anyone who's got any information should say something because the people we are talking about are trying to destroy our entire way of life."

Director of Liberty Shami Chakrabarti said Sir Alan's comments had represented an "important change in tone", and the minister was right to want to abandon the "divisive" war on terror rhetoric.

But she said in order to expect people to report their suspicions about family members or neighbours, the government would have to "inspire a sense of solidarity" in people.

'Caution needed'

Swiss Muslim academic and theologian Tariq Ramadan told BBC Radio Five Live it was important to distinguish between a "tiny minority" and the wider Muslim community who condemned extremism.

Mr Ramadan said he backed the call for more "snitching" in that all citizens should "come together and fight" terrorism, including giving support to the police.

But he added: "We must be very cautious not to nurture this sense of suspicion towards Muslims. I think that the current political discourse and also what is going on at the grass roots during the last three years, it's just worrying, about the change of atmosphere in our society."

Mr Brown told Sky News the current security "watchlist" system should be expanded to create a better flow of information about "the potential recruitment or the actual recruitment" activities of terrorist groups.

"Then we may have a better idea about people coming into different countries, whether as professional recruits or in other ways, and about what the dangers and the risks that we face are.

"I think it's very important that we tighten this up and it's something that we are looking at as a matter of urgency," he said.
 
Australia gets two more days to quiz Haneef

Tuesday, July 10, 2007

CANBERRA, July 9 : An Australian judge ruled on Monday that police should have another 48 hours to question an Indian doctor held over failed car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow.

“The extension will allow for the analysis of material obtained in the course of the investigation by joint counter-terrorism teams,” said an Australian Federal Police (AFP) spokesperson. “The extension of time will also allow for inquiries and analysis of material to be conducted in overseas jurisdictions, including the UK.”

Haneef’s lawyer Peter Russo has alleged that his client is being treated unfairly. The job of defending Haneef, Russo said, was being complicated by the reluctance of Australian authorities to hand him details of the allegations leading to the 27-year-old’s detention last week at Brisbane airport.

“I was provided with some material that

I had requested on Friday night. There might be some more material being

made available today,” he said.

“He’s obviously made a request to me that he’d prefer to be in the community... rather than where he is,” Haneef’s lawyer Peter Russo told Australian radio.

Haneef is one of six Indian doctors questioned in Australia over the suspected al-Qaeda linked plot in Britain. The others have already been released. Two car bombs primed to explode in London’s bustling theatre and nightclub district were discovered the day before a jeep crashed into the terminal building at Glasgow airport on June 30 and burst into flames.

Haneef was detained a week ago while trying to leave Australia with a one-way ticket to India. His family in India said he is innocent and planned to visit his wife and newborn daughter. Haneef was to phone his wife on Monday.

Australian police are examining more than 30,000 documents seized in raids spanning the country, including files on Haneef’s laptop and mobile phone Sim cards left with the alleged UK bombers. British police arrived last week to help.

Australia’s Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Haneef appeared to have been in a great hurry to leave the country after the foiled UK attacks, beyond the birth of a his daughter. “That may be well the reason. But the appearance was that his intention (was) to leave with speed,” Ruddock said. “The further explanations that have been offered may be reasonable, but they may also be a cover for something else.”

Meanwhile, a leading UK daily reported on Monday that at least one of the alleged plotters of the London and Glasgow car bombings had visited al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan.

Without naming the person, The Daily Telegraph said, “the information suggests the leaders of the gang may have been seeking approval from the al-Qaeda before going ahead with their plan.”

According to the report, a senior doctor at Inverclyde Royal Hospital in Greenock, Scotland, said on Sunday: “There were some problems with a visa and he was about two weeks late getting here. There were calls from him about the delay and he was in Pakistan at the time.”

The main figures in other plots, including the 7/7 suicide bombers, the fertiliser gang and “gas limo” terrorists all visited al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan before finalising their plans, the report said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/204372.html
 
UK plots seem terror exports from Iraq

LA Times-Washington Post: Tuesday, July 10, 2007

LONDON, July 9 : The probe into the attempted car bombings in Britain , investigators and experts say, is whether the trail of the would-be bombers will confirm fears that the threat from the war-torn Iraq region is escalating.

The background of the apparent chief suspect, Iraqi doctor Bilal Abdullah, suggests networks in the Iraq region that are linked to al-Qaeda selecting and dispatching operatives on a mission to Britain, experts say. Abdullah’s medical credentials, British passport and suspected ties to Sunni fundamentalists in Iraq could make him an ideal leader for a plan to hit London with a taste of Baghdad-style carnage, experts say.

“This is exactly what a number of us in the intelligence world had been predicting,” said Sir David Omand, who served as Britain’s security and intelligence co-ordinator until April 2005. “The concern was that al-Qaeda in Iraq would turn their minds to attacks outside Iraq. It’s not really a strategic surprise.”

The analysis remains incomplete. Investigators need time to pursue leads in West Asia, India and Australia. Although five suspects are Arab medical professionals, three are Indians.

Till now, the main threat from Iraq was seen as indirect, anti-terror investigators say. They worried militants from Europe and North Africa, many of them young, working-class men involved in street crime, would gain experience and militant connections in the combat zone and eventually return.

“We have always been sure that if the war stopped in Iraq, we would have a lot of guys ready to come back and cause problems for us,” a European anti-terror investigator said.

The amateurish aspects of the failed British car bomb plot give the impression that the attackers had limited training, but that does not preclude links to dangerous networks, experts say. Al-Qaeda figures in Iraq or

Pakistan might not deploy a complete team with a concrete plan, officials said. Instead, their pattern has been

to prepare one or two operatives outside of the target country, and then give them autonomy to enlist accomplices and develop plots. A foreign doctor would be likely to recruit fellow foreign doctors.

US investigators are also looking into potential links to Iraq and elsewhere, especially after the revelation that two of the doctors jailed here had looked into working in the United States. But it’s premature to conclude that al-Qaeda in Iraq orchestrated the latest plot in Britain, said a US counter-terrorism official, and sometimes it takes years to unearth such details.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/204374.html
 
Police raids the banglore guys home and siezes videos ( rumoured to be of AQ).
 
Police raids the banglore guys home and siezes videos ( rumoured to be of AQ).

But nobody's been arrested in India sofar as reported in Indian media. Quite a different approach for a country which arrests hundreds of (muslim) suspects within seconds whenever a bomb goes off in India?

So whats holding you back?
Just curious...:what:
 
But nobody's been arrested in India sofar as reported in Indian media. Quite a different approach for a country which arrests hundreds of (muslim) suspects within seconds whenever a bomb goes off in India?

So whats holding you back?
Just curious...:what:

India is after all interested in its own safety not of England.

Probably lack of information. Probably the intelligence guyz didnt activate their sources. Normally when a source is activated, the chance of his expose increases. So the intelligence might have preferred only a direct approach instead of the above.
 
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