Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[The Sandman]

Damn the hate for these 2 words "liberalism, secularism" is really strong in this thread.
@Hell hound
@haviZsultan can you shed some light on what secularism is? so that our members here who have blind hatred for these words can get educated a bit? bcoz hell hound has already done an excellent job in his thread about liberalism.

 

[Mentee]

Damn the hate for these 2 words "liberalism, secularism" is really strong in this thread.
@Hell hound
@haviZsultan can you shed some light on what secularism is? so that our members here who have blind hatred for these words can get educated a bit? bcoz hell hound has already done an excellent job in his thread about liberalism.

that pesky mafia chief is also roaming around this thread

 

[maximuswarrior]

I'm not supporting any bans, I'm saying Muslim Women in the West need to compromise a bit because there have been incidents abusing the attire and therefore created a scare and should do for their own safety etc.



Thank you

Muslim women who wear the face veil shouldn't have to do anything at all. Those people who want to impose their views and ideas on others are wrong here. Not the women who want to wear the veil based on their own choice.

Anyone who thinks the veil practice is outdated etc. can feel that way. Just like a person has the right to wear the veil for whatever reason motivates here.

I don't have to like the apparel I see people wearing around me. That doesn't mean that I start imposing my views on others.

People should have the right to wear whatever they like. We can only argue that identifying someone should never be obstructed. That is all. No law has ever prohibited someone from wearing the veil.

 

[The Sandman]

that pesky mafia chief is also roaming around this thread

You mean the italian guy? yea i know lol right wingers of different countries against each other

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I never had meet a women who covered her head. In my school we had one single muslim girl, but she was constantly harassed. We complained that we boys were not allowed to wear caps in school building but she was alowed to wear that. Teacher ripped her cover down then.

I think its like an immune system. if you let one cancer cell roam free, the entire organism will die away.

Stupid analogy. I know you are Islamphobe as had many discussion with you before when you were using old ID

I want to know if full face veil is ban nationally in Italy ? If yes then what is penalty?

 

[Verve]

It is very interesting that conservatism was systematically removed from Europe through Liberal Secularism, and then major fires were started in ME to force migration .... and the clash of civilisations per se is coming.

Let's see how these liberal secular societies deal with this clash!

Such bans are just the beginning!

 

[Hell hound]

I have doubt that anyone will bother to enter in Italy if every Italian think like you but you have few bigot in every country but they are in minority Its up to people whether to compromise on their belief or leave the country who limit their personal freedom but then this will not be any different than living under strict mullah rule

what are Italian customs? speaking Italian, eating Italian food, dating and sleeping like italain ?

Several towns in Italy have local bans on face-covering veils. The north-western town of Novara is one of several local authorities to have already brought in rules to deter public use of the Islamic veil.

In the Lombardy region of Italy, a burka ban was agreed in December 2015 and came into effect in January 2016.

Governments have discussed extending laws to impose penalties on Muslim face coverings, but these have not yet been enforced nationally.

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thats what i am saying head scarf is normal and banning it will be against the freedom.but veil isn't it is huge security threat and i support those laws which prefer safety of people above the freedom to wear a clothing article which is clearly a threat and causes huge troubles for law enforcement agencies.

 

[Divergent]

@Divergent1

Please remove the face veil from your profile pic first. LMAO

@Verve @Mentee

Since you boys like the comment of the above gentleman, I am not allowed to uncover my face as per adviced by forum admins and mods

 

[lastofthepatriots]

@Verve @Mentee

Since you boys like the comment of the above gentleman, I am not allowed to uncover my face as per adviced by forum admins and mods

It was a joke. Relax

 

[Mentee]

It was a joke. Relax

@divergent ^^^ cheers doc , why so serious

 

[Hell hound]

Damn the hate for these 2 words "liberalism, secularism" is really strong in this thread.
@Hell hound
@haviZsultan can you shed some light on what secularism is? so that our members here who have blind hatred for these words can get educated a bit? bcoz hell hound has already done an excellent job in his thread about liberalism.

here is the link @The Sandman if any one like to read it https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what-does-being-a-liberal-mean.477426/

 

[Divergent]

-The two muslim states you quoted, don't claim to be the champions of human rights, the beacons of freedom, openness, diversity and inclusiveness. Don't get angry at us baji hazoor , we're merely judging the west by it's own self professed moral standards which it loves to prescribe for other nations.

-BTW just to restate my earlier point,
" I will say however, if you as a muslim, make the conscientious choice to go live in the west and raise your families there--- well, the treatment you get (edit: and the law of the land) is part of the package. Whether it is maltreatment for having a beard or wearing a niqab. Yes, the perpetrator who maltreated you is a piece of $hit, but it was your decision to go in a country, knowing full well what goes on there."

Bhai Jaan I'm not denying that the West sometimes can chew more than it can swallow however what I am suggesting is in this instance I support the stance and though I will defend their right legally, morally I believe it is better for their own safety measures.

Things in Pakistan are different, it takes several shots for you guys to get the picture, it only takes less than a few and a terror incident was done due to this. It's created a lot of scare and removal of veil in public places isn't wrong it is just for security purposes.

Wearing the Hijaab and Jubba no one is objecting to, but face veil hasn't been banned nor fully implemented throughout West whereas hoodies and helmets have.

When the Western community goes to Eastern Countries they're advised to dress modestly or cover themselves, they respect the culture and do it.

 

[Lagay Raho]

I understand for muslims to consider it more important than anything,but for us nothing written in a book or anywhere else is above our laws. This,applies to every religions.

Your answer is understood and respected just as the law of your land should be.Women that want to cover(which i believe to be important)must move somewhere else.As simple as that.
but i will quote something that Verve stated

It is very interesting that conservatism was systematically removed from Europe through Liberal Secularism, and then major fires were started in ME to force migration .... and the clash of civilisations per se is coming.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

People dont accept it. Bans are in various regions and discussed in parliament right now for entire Italy.

But mostly people just do it themself and rip it down.

Stripping clothes off women is very uncivilized and barbaric behavior. But I suppose it's not surprising coming from a racist Forza member.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

thats what i am saying head scarf is normal and banning it will be against the freedom.but veil isn't it is huge security threat and i support those laws which prefer safety of people above the freedom to wear a clothing article which is clearly a threat and causes huge troubles for law enforcement agencies.

I agree with sadiq and ex-immigration minister Damian green here. watch what ex immigration minister said about security issue at the end of debate. My personal interpretations about veil is very much same as yours but I am against imposing it on others who don't agree with my interpretations that's where we differ

[video]

People dont accept it. Bans are in various regions and discussed in parliament right now for entire Italy.

But mostly people just do it themself and rip it down.

So you dont have law which ban Burka in entire Italy ..wow you take laws in your own hand. Is this Italian customs? lol