Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished

[TexasJohn]

don't forget around 800 bases worldwide:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321

 

[punit]

Dollar finished ... Carrier finished. Roll over and die uncle sam !

 

[antonius123]

Where I come from, those things are called SSBNs. Currently in the US called the Ohio class, and in Russia the typhoon class. Nothing new there

Yes, currently US has Ohio, Russia has typhoon, China has Shang 093B

But those are still with limited capability. For example Ohio can carry 154 tomahawk at best run 20 knots at max. This future arsenal ship planned to carry various kind of 300 vertical launched missiles and run about 30 knots on surface.

Ohio is aimed for land based attack, this submersible is versatile and mainly aimed to face CBG, that's why I am saying supercarier could be more in peril in the future.

 

[TexasJohn]

The Ohio is being replaced by the Columbia class. Not true that it is only land based attack. What you read is only public domain stuff. You are also forgetting MIRVs (independently targeted ) etc.

In any case while the PLAN is not to be laughed off, they do have a ways to go...
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-columbia-class-submarine-could-be-game-20508

 

[antonius123]

The Ohio is being replaced by the Columbia class. Not true that it is only land based attack. What you read is only public domain stuff. You are also forgetting MIRVs (independently targeted ) etc.

In any case while the PLAN is not to be laughed off, they do have a ways to go...
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-columbia-class-submarine-could-be-game-20508

But tomahawk is for land based attack, the anti-ship version has been cancelled. I dont think Columbia class is kind of arsenal ship, it is to carry Trident - not anti ship missiles.

My point is: with the appearance of submersible arsenal ship supercarier will be in danger, and those ohio and columbia class sub may not be the effective one to protect the CBG.

 

[TexasJohn]

ok. I'll just have to take your word for it...The anti-ship harpoon was retired in 1997. But! this guy, the specs are not even fully published yet
https://scout.com/military/warrior/...High-Tech-Mk-48-Heavyweight-Torpedo-101455743

Probably be carried by SSNs. The boomers tend to stay well out of the way. Deep and silent

 

[Willy wolly]

The article has a point. If an aircraft carrier had to face a salvo of a few dozen missiles coming in at it, how likely are the chances of it being able to defend itself? The only reason its not been done already is because the US has only fought nations without that capability.

Are you going in for a blind shot? and first you need to find that thing in a big ocean and its not alone the whole CBG will face the salvo....
you may have heard about vikrant and ghazi story, was ghazi ever able to detect vikrant? It followed rajput instead which played some serious game, even after ISI intel on arrival of vikrant in Visakhapatnam Indian navy outplayed everyone including ghazi.
So the Conclusion: First thing is to find that thing.

 

[antonius123]

ok. I'll just have to take your word for it...The anti-ship harpoon was retired in 1997. But! this guy, the specs are not even fully published yet
https://scout.com/military/warrior/...High-Tech-Mk-48-Heavyweight-Torpedo-101455743

Probably be carried by SSNs. The boomers tend to stay well out of the way. Deep and silent

How longer the MK-48 torpedo is?

Imagine a combo of Submersible arsenal ship with more than 300 missiles - some of them are supersonic and range > 400km - sail together with Type 055 as the guidance and anti sub + another silent sub deep below, approaching a CBG. What the CBG should do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-18

 

[Tom M]

How longer the MK-48 torpedo is?

Imagine a combo of Submersible arsenal ship with more than 300 missiles - some of them are supersonic and range > 400km - sail together with Type 055 as the guidance and anti sub + another silent sub deep below, approaching a CBG. What the CBG should do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-18

It will be difficult. But a counter scenario, just in case if the adversary manage to get enough credible intel about such buildup, what will be their fate ????

 

[RowdyRathore]

These CCPs 50c talks like as if US is foolishly investing billions of dollars on carrier platform.

Never saw any other country on planet who claims to strike A 55 kmph moving target on vast oceans with their ballistic missile.
I'd only ask them to correct the precision of their land based missiles rather than inducing every garbage into their firepower.

Why don't they simply admit rather than fake claims that when any US carrier comes close to their seas, CCPs shivers like hell.

 

[antonius123]

It will be difficult. But a counter scenario, just in case if the adversary manage to get enough credible intel about such buildup, what will be their fate ????

Well, depending on intel is not 100% reliable. Some collision incident with US military ships recently + cases of chinese submarine stalking US supercarrier undetectedly tell so

There is no build up needed at all, just 1 (one) Type 055 sail alone with submersible arsenal ship + sub sail deep down sea undetectedly, you can only see single Type 055 sail alone on the surface while underwater stuffs remain silent .. approaching a CBG in pacific and keep distance 400km from it

These CCPs 50c talks like as if US is foolishly investing billions of dollars on carrier platform.

Never saw any other country on planet who claims to strike A 55 kmph moving target on vast oceans with their ballistic missile.
I'd only ask them to correct the precision of their land based missiles rather than inducing every garbage into their firepower.

Why don't they simply admit rather than fake claims that when any US carrier comes close to their seas, CCPs shivers like hell.

Arbitrary accussition is easy, irresponsible & stupid. Look again at the article on page 1, it is not from CCP's 50c at all
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/face-it-the-mighty-u-s-aircraft-carrier-is-dead/

 

[RowdyRathore]

Arbitrary accussition is easy, irresponsible & stupid. Look again at the article on page 1, it is not from CCP's 50c at all
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/face-it-the-mighty-u-s-aircraft-carrier-is-dead/

Seems like you know nothing about the concept of how propoganda works.

Ask CCP where do they spend designated budget for their appeasement & prop. all over the world.
In this world, money does everything.

 

[TexasJohn]

Well, depending on intel is not 100% reliable. Some collision incident with US military ships recently + cases of chinese submarine stalking US supercarrier undetectedly tell so

There is no build up needed at all, just 1 (one) Type 055 sail alone with submersible arsenal ship + sub sail deep down sea undetectedly, you can only see single Type 055 sail alone on the surface while underwater stuffs remain silent .. approaching a CBG in pacific and keep distance 400km from it




Arbitrary accussition is easy, irresponsible & stupid. Look again at the article on page 1, it is not from CCP's 50c at all
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/face-it-the-mighty-u-s-aircraft-carrier-is-dead/

I suppose anything is possible in a hypothetical, theoretical scenario, given that we are discussing a scifi situation with a "starship-under-the-ocean blue" that is nothing more than an imaginary concept.

That said, the behemoth will have to escape detection by hunter-killer subs, surface ships that are focused on anti-sub warfare, and P8 Poseidons all of which are reality today. Like I said before, PLAN is decades away from that. Right now even a P3 Orion can pick up the heat signature of a Chinese boomer. That is why you don't really see them that much on high sea patrols. They are still very regional to the China sea and sometimes in the Pacific - kinda

 

[antonius123]

I suppose anything is possible in a hypothetical, theoretical scenario, given that we are discussing a scifi situation with a "starship-under-the-ocean blue" that is nothing more than an imaginary concept.

That said, the behemoth will have to escape detection by hunter-killer subs, surface ships that are focused on anti-sub warfare, and P8 Poseidons all of which are reality today. Like I said before, PLAN is decades away from that. Right now even a P3 Orion can pick up the heat signature of a Chinese boomer. That is why you don't really see them that much on high sea patrols. They are still very regional to the China sea and sometimes in the Pacific - kinda

Ocean is too ample, tell me how the hunter killer sub, P8 & P3 can locate the undersea sub and submersible arsenal that are still 400 km far away from the CBG? IF that is so easy like you said, then US must have been able already to locate all the chinese and russian sub all over the world, which contrary to the fact that US supercariers were stalked by chinese sub (that you said decades away) at least twice undetectedly, and they were known because they appear on the surface nearby the carrier

Other things to ponder:
1) How long for those P8, P3 take to get approach the Type 55 400km away? and how long it takes for mach 2.5 YJ-18 to reach CBG 400km away? which one will reach the target first?

2) Tell me, how P8 and P3 could approach Type 55 safe? considering the type 55 and arsenal ship are loaded with abundant of HHQ-9 (similar to S-300) that can shoot those plane within 300km away.

 

[TexasJohn]

Ocean is too ample, tell me how the hunter killer sub, P8 & P3 can locate the undersea sub and submersible arsenal that are still 400 km far away from the CBG? IF that is so easy like you said, then US must have been able already to locate all the chinese and russian sub all over the world, which contrary to the fact that US supercariers were stalked by chinese sub (that you said decades away) at least twice undetectedly, and they were known because they appear on the surface nearby the carrier

Other things to ponder:
1) How long for those P8, P3 take to get approach the Type 55 400km away? and how long it takes for mach 2.5 YJ-18 to reach CBG 400km away? which one will reach the target first?

2) Tell me, how P8 and P3 could approach Type 55 safe? considering the type 55 and arsenal ship are loaded with abundant of HHQ-9 (similar to S-300) that can shoot those plane within 300km away.

OK. So let's have the PLAN build one of these first. Then there will be something to talk about... right now it's just fantasizing