F22 Raptor Killed !

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

You must be joking right ?

Even if someone thinks that F22 is too costly i.e. not worth the money, you can never say that F15 is "better".

You can say F15 is economical ... but not "better"

Regards,
Sapper

F22 are just mainly used for taking out radars using stealth , all the other good stuff was done by F15, I think F15 is only being retired for political job creation process new contracts - and .. iraq was too weak to say F22 was/is better

S300 russian systems would bring down any US planes its no wonder no us planes fly into Iran now

 

[gambit]

F22 are just mainly used for taking out radars using stealth , all the other good stuff was done by F15, I think F15 is only being retired for political job creation process new contracts

Please refrain from producing silly statements like this. Makes you look foolish to those who have relevant experience in the matter.

 

[freethinker]

All we know of the F22 is the Hype. The only time it ever saw action at a Red Flag type exercise it didnt exactly blow anyone away, even though it had previously been suggested that the reason they didnt test it was because it was so far ahead of the competition it wouldnt be fair. Yeah right.....

 

[Sapper]

All we know of the F22 is the Hype. The only time it ever saw action at a Red Flag type exercise it didnt exactly blow anyone away, even though it had previously been suggested that the reason they didnt test it was because it was so far ahead of the competition it wouldnt be fair. Yeah right.....

A man shouldn't need to be shot to know that bullet wounds are dangerous and possibly fatal. People who still think bullet wounds are no biggy should be shot in the arse.

Similarly, one shouldn't require F22 to "kill" Su30s, EFs, Rafales and Grippens to acknowledge that its far far better. 99% of the airforce personnel all over the world know it and acknowledge it publically, rest of the 1% should be shot in their arse.

Grow up dear, pull your head out of the sand, step outside of the sandbox, and look for why Russia & China and pouring billions of dollars to develop their own 5th Gen fighter and why tens of nations have signed on to participate in F35 project.

Gambits words are worth mentioning here once again

Please refrain from producing silly statements like this. Makes you look foolish to those who have relevant experience in the matter.

Regards,
Sapper

 

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[gambit]

All we know of the F22 is the Hype. The only time it ever saw action at a Red Flag type exercise it didnt exactly blow anyone away, even though it had previously been suggested that the reason they didnt test it was because it was so far ahead of the competition it wouldnt be fair. Yeah right.....

If that is your logic, then it should be applicable to ALL aircrafts, not just the F-22, correct? We should also remove pilot intelligence, skills, natural or learned, training and experience. That leave US fighters like the F-15, F-16 or even the older 1950s era fighters as supreme since they have unsurpassed combat records. Do think before saying anything.

 

[Super Falcon]

wel wel wwel russians are ahead of americans in technology man their half of weapons are secret and half which they are showing they are 20 years ahead of american present weapons systems technology man russian scientist and engineers are best in the world they are the richest country in the world of weapon systems production both technologically and those are cheaper well russian president recently said they willl bring countermeasures to american defence misssile shield in europe that showed how advance they are in 2 years that system will available man they are damn good they will beat USA hell out of them

 

[Super Falcon]

i dont know what type of pakistans relations are with russia i hope our govt is doing something to enhance better relations with russia first we have to sign a trade deal with them and some other civilian bussiness deals than there willl be slight chance of getting something out of russian millitary inventory

 

[freethinker]

If that is your logic, then it should be applicable to ALL aircrafts, not just the F-22, correct? We should also remove pilot intelligence, skills, natural or learned, training and experience. That leave US fighters like the F-15, F-16 or even the older 1950s era fighters as supreme since they have unsurpassed combat records. Do think before saying anything.

That's not what i am saying at all. I'm merely pointing out that so far we have seen NOTHING from the F22. All those other jets attend joint combat excersises regularely.
All we know of the F22 is what the US Airforce PR department tells us and we all know how modest PR folks tend to be.
Also i dont follow your argument about the human factor.

Similarly, one shouldn't require F22 to "kill" Su30s, EFs, Rafales and Grippens to acknowledge that its far far better. 99% of the airforce personnel all over the world know it and acknowledge it publically, rest of the 1% should be shot in their arse.

I can tell you guys are not accustomed to critical thinking.

We dont know anything about the F22s preformance in a simulated or combat environment. The only public test i've hard of where the F22 participated it flew very few hours and didnt exactly preform like advertised. Im not saying it isnt the greatest air superiority fighter in the world but so far i have seen nothing to indicate that it is.

Looking at the specs i am inclined to agree that it is indeed a superior plane but all the secrecy and bad press makes me wonder.