F-35 overwhelming superiority over Rafale and Eurofighter in Atlantic Trident

[The SC]

I'm not sure the money is at play here, SC & Dash.

What may have motivated the author IMHoO is the
fact that Greece is getting upgrade kits for its F-16s
that will move them up to V ( viper ) block level.

The USA are providing those to balance Turkey's huh
change in direction and heart regarding the West and
NATO under Erdogan.

But Turkey as a main partner of the program is getting
the Lightning II with a maintenance center/part prod.

So Greece, bankrupt as it is, needs to sing the praises
of the Lock-Mart fighter even if it is far from ready in
the hopes of getting a few for free or at least dirt cheap.

It is likely to be a move to prepare the population for a
buy as well.

Have a great day both, Tay.

I said politically motivated article, because it comes from some people who might be opposed to the F-16 upgrade..they are asking the question, is it justified?..and then they get into this fantasy of the F-35! not being seen is OK, but the missile part is quite a fantasy considering the very advanced missile detection and warning systems on both the Rafale and the Typhoon.. I did not mention the money, it is irrelevant..

 

[moon_light]

I wasn't offering evidence but outlining an assumption.
In materials, not much but in mathematical treatment?
That could favour one or another; we can't guess that.
Yes physics of emissions favour the bigger ISO-radar ...
but physics of dimensions favour the smaller aircraft ...

Iam not talking about RCS but purely about radar ability to detect an object at distance. Physics will favor bigger radar. Even a very large generation gap in technology can be balanced/countered by the sheer size alone. Not to mention that if there is any technology gap between RBE-2 and APG-82v1, it is much more likely favor APG-82v1. To claim that RBE-2 can be more powerful than APG-82 is honestly just wishful thinking, it is like saying F-16 can carry more bomb than F-111 because it is newer.

But having smaller doesn’t mean it’s impossible to detect F 35 before being detected first. My observation was theoretical without technicalities.

It is impossible because Rafale has RCS an order of magnitude bigger than F-35 and RBE-2 is approximately half the size of APG-81.

B
Btw @Taygibay has a raptor locked in case you didn’t notice? And it was a Rafale he used!!

If you haven't noticed, the image was taken by OFS ( an optical system ) rather than a radar. It was taken during visual range exercise with French, and ì you paid more attention, the belly of F-22 carried a Luneburg lens commonly used to increase RCS

 

[Taygibay]

Moon-light, you keep making assumptions with a biais
for bits of very real knowledge that favour your views
whilst conveniently brushing off those that don't ... even
though I suspect that you understand them just as well.

For example, in the above, you rightfully counter a point
brought up by Dash about the OSF being the sensor used
but the rest is gnagnagna USA gnagnagna invincible gnagnagna perfect tech gnagnagna Lords and Gods gnagnagna ...
which is much akin to belief and less in line with science.

You certainly know the value of treatment and programming
to be found in poorly versus properly developed games or
applications ( or Macs ) and could go see this latest thread :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/with...o-quickly-find-missile-sites-in-china.524232/​

where the value of such is "discovered" by the Pentagon.

If you chose to ignore that intangible mathematical treatment
and the likes, there must be a deep set reason and I'm really
not sufficiently free of my time nor enough of a hubristic fool
to try and fix that, sorry!

But I'll leave you with a story as a parting gift :

Years ago, I met the brother of a friend whose team I was training.
That brother was both much shorter than his kin and I and in a very different sport.
8 months later he represented his country in judo at the Olympic Games.

He challenged me to a fight when time would allow and we eventually did.
I was taller, bigger, stronger, more powerful and trained at least as well.
Well, he knew that and used it fully. He couldn't lock for a full break of
be it bone or articulation / joint but I found out he was nearly impossible
to hit and incapacitate as well. After a long while and a particularly hurtful blow,
he forced our combined mass to the ground as he was locked on my back.

I had to apply a solution to end it and using brute strength, rose in that position
and started slamming my back and thus my opponent against a brick wall of the gym,
very at ease with only 80kgs to squat with. That stopped it as he quit to avoid a concussion.

There are a couple lessons there.
He thought he'd win, I thought I'd win with 3-4 blows,
the capacity gap was big enough in my favour but not
so much as to brag about my big Luneburg lenses and,
my favourite, that if we'd have faced out in teams of say
4 of each, I may have had to face 2 or 3 judokas to win.​

So read you later and have a great day, Tay.


P.S. Unable to see your flags, I had a fleeting thought
while redacting the part with the humans/demi/Gods that
maybe you were the author as Greeks invented the concept.

 

[moon_light]

Moon-light, you keep making assumptions with a biais
for bits of very real knowledge that favour your views.

There isn't anything bias about pointing out the size difference between RBE-2 and APG-81, APG-82 or that F-35 has smaller RCS.

whilst conveniently brushing off those that don't ... even
though I suspect that you understand them just as well. You certainly know the value of treatment and programming
to be found in poorly versus properly developed games or
applications ( or Macs ) and could go see this latest thread :

If you chose to ignore that intangible mathematical treatment​

and the likes, there must be a deep set reason and I'm really

I didn't brush off benefit of intangible treatment. I simply point out the very obvious fact that there isn't any generation difference between RBE-2 and APG-82, and if there is technical advantage it is more likely to favor APG-82. If you want to claim RBE-2 has longer detection range than a radar more than twice its size. Well support that idea then, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. You can't just say blah.. mathematical.. huh..etc.
a) what is the mathematical treatment here? (counter both transmitting power and gain isn't a simple job)
b) where are the evidence that RBE-2 has it while APG-81, APG-82 don't?.

If i claimed AAM-4, RVV-SD seeker have longer detection range than Rafale radar because of some mathematical treatment , will any of you accept it? I can bet you won't, at least not before you can see some solid evidence.
P/S: iam not Greek

 

[volatile]

Americans are smart in doing business writing a targeted based article over exercise we all know how professional forces act during or after such exercise .I bet when you make credible some thing your are discrediting other things in this case author just discredit the European fighters . So Chill F35 is good but Rafale and Typhon both carry impressive warfare/electronic equipment