F-35 at least 400% better in air-to-air combat against Russian Sukhois says Lockheed

[Neo]

F-35 at least 400% better in air-to-air combat against Russian Sukhois says Lockheed

“Simply put, advanced stealth and sensor fusion allow the F-35 pilot to see, target and destroy the adversary and strategic targets in a very high surface-to-air threat scenario, and deal with air threats intent on denying access — all before the F-35 is ever detected, then return safely to do it again,” said Burbage.

 

[BATMAN]

Why are indians so upbeat about it?
Aren’t they using Russian SU!
By this formulae F-16 ought to be at least 200% better than those stated SU30s.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Regardless...this bird is going to cause a lot of headaches once in full production. This gives many nations a small yet visible window to sh** on everyone from the sky. I'm afraid that no one will be able to counter this threat with anything for another 7-10 years.

 

[BATMAN]

Yup, but I wonder about results of this so called 400% better fighter in war scenario. where it will be performing attack role and had to fly from distance and then penetrate enemy territory and in process had to face ground defense and then air defence and then had to run for home after unloading.
I wonder how many will be on tail at that point of juncture.
Don't forget passive radars can detect it and if target country is running CAP missions than it may be spotted earlier.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Well if it's anything even remotely similar to the F-22, I'm pretty sure a half dozen F-35 would be able to hold off 3-4 squadrons of legacy aircraft. I'm not sure where I read but an F-22 shot near a hundred bogeys in simulated scenarios without being hit or detected.

 

[su-47]

Why are indians so upbeat about it?
Aren’t they using Russian SU!
By this formulae F-16 ought to be at least 200% better than those stated SU30s.

Ok, from where did u get the idea that indians are upbeat about F-35. The article doesnt say a word about India!

 

[Muradk]

Well if it's anything even remotely similar to the F-22, I'm pretty sure a half dozen F-35 would be able to hold off 3-4 squadrons of legacy aircraft. I'm not sure where I read but an F-22 shot near a hundred bogeys in simulated scenarios without being hit or detected.

They used it in last years Red Flag it took 8 F-15s out. not hundreds. second
NEO: When ever they have to lie they bring a general as a spokes man, I have always notices that

 

[EagleEyes]

F-35s can be countered with SAMs and loads of Sukhois. So most likely in such environment the ratio of losing against F-35 is like 3-1.

 

[IceCold]

Though the jet is way advance then any other 4 and 4 plus generation jets available in the market but that does not mean its 400% better then any other jet. Sukhois, EF and rafale are not something that would be blown up in the sky as shooting pratice by the JSF. Its just an exaggeration of the performance of the JSF. 5th generations are supposely better then previous counterparts but that does not mean 400%. Its simply unrealistic.

 

[muse]

Where did the 400% figure better come from? What the heck does it mean? How did they quantify "better"?

 

[Owais]

Where did the 400% figure better come from? What the heck does it mean? How did they quantify "better"?

Its a marketing symbol for potential customers of F35.
I heard on some forum that in close combat, F-22 have 1:3 kill ratio over F16. so how F35 can achieve that super duper milestone?? F35 have low TWR than raptor

 

[Munir]

Let us take this to a simple level. In netcentric approach it might be correct but never been shown so we will see.

In 1 v 1 and equal pilots I do not believe these superior numbers. Certainly if there is no external input for the JSF.

In N v M the quality aspect decreases...


F22 e.q. might be superior... But if you have a few sats that scan. A few radars that help you out. You fly far above anyone. You do not emit anything. You just get fast in to position, shoot and bug out... Well, then you never get shot down so it is a matter of logic to understand.

Let us force f22 into close combat with no external input... You will see different numbers.

And if the producer tells you that his aircraft is better then story as what its pilot tell ya. I need to see and hear the first pilot/producer teling the truth when in active service. A good pilot and producer knows its limits and tries to counter effectively.

One needs to look beyond pr stunts. We have heard often the advantage of tilted f16 seat... Why do we have to waut till Chuck Yeagers tells you that it is just pr?

 

[was]

Pentagon, Lockheed rebut F-35 critics

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Corp, its largest supplier, sought on Friday to shoot down criticism of their $299 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, the costliest planned US arms buy ever.


Published reports that Russian-built Sukhoi fighter jets thrashed the F-35 in simulated dogfights last month are ‘just flat false,’ Air Force Maj. Gen. Charles Davis, the Pentagon official in charge of the program, said in a teleconference hastily called by Lockheed to rebut negative publicity at a critical juncture for the program.

Development of the family of radar-evading, multi-role, single engine F-35 fighters was co-financed by Britain, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway.

Each of these countries is within a couple of months to a couple of years of making F-35 procurement decisions, and some people with unspecified "agendas" may be maneuvering, Davis said.

The West Australian newspaper reported earlier this month that F-35s had been ‘clubbed like baby seals’ by simulated Sukhois at war games in Hawaii last month.

Tom Burbage, general manager of the F-35 program for Lockheed Martin, said in the teleconference, ‘We've been able to put the issue in Australia to bed.’ He said Australia's prime minister had been among those troubled by the report.

Citing U.S. Air Force analyses, he said the F-35 is at least 400 percent more effective in air-to-air combat capability than the best fighters currently available in the international market, including Sukhois.

Davis and Burbage also took aim at a highly critical guest column in the September 10 issue of Jane's Defence Weekly, a trade publication, by industry-watchers Winston Wheeler and Pierre Sprey, who helped shape Lockheed's F-16 fighter.

Wheeler and Sprey tarred the F-35 as a ‘dog,’ calling it overweight, underpowered and, with a payload of only two 2,000-pound bombs in its bomb bay, ‘hardly a first-class bomber either.’

As a close-support attack aircraft, they wrote it is too fast to see the tactical targets it is shooting at; too delicate and flammable to withstand ground fire; and lacking the ‘endurance’ to loiter usefully over friendly ground forces for sustained periods.

In a rebuttal statement, Lockheed said the F-35 was a ‘racehorse, not a 'dog',’ with unprecedented combat advantages, including the most powerful engine ever installed in a fighter.

DAWN.COM | Technology | Pentagon, Lockheed rebut F 35 critics

 

[bernard]

reasons for publishing this report
1) us wants sales pitch up of its f35
2) iran may be getting su30mkm so to predominate
3) 400% is not a correct figure, it may be well above/below that,
say 100% better or 800% better nobody leaks an important data like this and
4) its a personal opinion of an official,not an official report,so figure is bound to be wrong