If i was doing the "pakistani big talk" then you will find me saying..... FC-20 is the best 4.5 generation MRCA... F-22P is one of the best frigate, MKI sucks etc.. but here i am merely stating facts and not being and neither being a pessimistic....
even we keep going like this then we are going to end up going off topic...
You think PAF is just sitting quite playing dumb and dull not knowing block 52 capabilities not developing tactics no strategy no thing and certianly not going to US for training??? It will be better if we drop your issue of PAF on a sharp razzor for the next 10 years because we are inducting new systems.. infact new technology boots yours forces capability.. you are treating PAF unfairly... undermining their capabilities... like i said before... PAF went straight from 2nd and 3rd generation to 4th generation state of the art cockpit.... logistically or technically PAF was not on a "sharp razzor" in 80s but financially broke!!!! remember PAF was second AF to use F-16s in combat with in 2-3 years of induction!!!
remeber PAF is not dumb and stupid or illiterate! they know how to operate their equipments as good as any other nation----- the only problem when we buy such equipments in large scale our economy is effected....
Growler,
You need to stop arguing----the issue is of integration of high end multiple systems at the same time---no millitary in the world is immune to issues that evolve when new systems are being integrated into the services----.
The word used for them is-----"GROWING PAINS"----yes the same words we parents use in relation to our 'little and older' children---growing pains---.
You are talking about about how smart PAF is---right now that is not the issue---being smart on not smart has nothing to do with it----going from 2nd and 3rd generation to 4th gen is a smaller issue---.
The issue is an over whelming number of equipment coming in---all at the same time---that is the major issue.
" remember PAF was second AF to use F-16s in combat with in 2-3 years of induction!!! "
It hs nothing to do with what I am saying over here.
In millitary---new technology doesnot neccessarily immediately boost your forces capabilities----it is how successfully you integrate the system that boosts the capability---it also depends upon the infra structure that you have in place to support that technology----that is where the man behind the machine myth evolved.
It is the lack of critical spare parts in the initial stages, that create major headaches---it may not be the major items that break down----but the smaller items---critical for daily usage that break down during actual field integration---how to overcome those issues and what to do about them---.
Initially the select few are incharge of maintaining the systems in the initial stages----but when the system gets into the regular service arena in higher numbers---the threshold of service and upkeep goes to a different level---it goes from a closed and well observed environment to an open field less supervised servicing and maintenance---.
Now you have service manuals---with time, the service manuals get thicker and thicker because newer issues popped up when the equipment was sent to the field
The select few will train a larger number of staff---who in turn will train others to do the same job----this is where the problems arise in any integration process---it is time consuming---it is detail oriented---.
Now when you have close to 325 new planes coming into the force within 4---6 years and those being 4th and 4 plus generation---it is taking and stretching the abilities of the millitary to the extreme extent.
There is no comparison between 36 ( f 16 ), 70's version planes and the planes of today----they are a world apart.
It is just like an automobile----a technician would know each and everything about a car produced in the 70's---when it came to the 80's----the mechanic had issues---he had to specialise in only one or two different kinds of cars and took him awhile to learn the issues----now when it came to the 90's and 2000 year series cars----the same mechanic got into doing a specialized job---either brakes, engine / transmission or electrical systems---this is integration---
The course that the first technician took in the 70's----actually there was hardly a course---alll cars were similiar in system and function---the techs will smoke, have coffe, cut jokes with the instructor andget their certificates---then the courses got real in 80's----90's saw a totally different tech---2000---the same technician is overwhelmed with what he faces today. It is understood that today's tech in not able to fully diagnose your car
So to compare 36, 70 's vintage f 16's to today's blk 52 is stretching it a bit too far.
Live and learn---my kids do the same to me---so a
to you as well.