F 16s are buzzing Lahore

[Daghalodi]

We are spineless because you pleasure yourself with thoughts of a nuclear exchange?

Its a nuclear deterrent!! Everything is fair in love and war! Remmeber bharat mata started the nuclear arms race in south asia

 

[FunkyGen]

Don't forget that we lost a lot of good officers to the newly-formed Pakistan. Ultimately, it was a mistake; no tap-dancing on that one.

I wonder if the British were tap dancing when they were planning the partition. Knowing the fukers can't say they wouldn't.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What a thread.

@Joe Shearer you started the teasing and @hellfire you joined in. Now we have 7 pages offtopic.

Hmm. In my personal belief the dissection of all wars should be done in the senior section to avoid the falling of the standard and to attract better posters who can make valid points. Otherwise you will have a discussion going absolutely nowhere.

Hellfire you are right. Wars are decided on political goals and objectives however as you very well know objects of a war and even battle change and can change drastically. Especially when a war escalates. What was the initial objective to capture akhnur bridge ( and akhnur) and cut India from Kashmir turned into a desperate defence for lahore simply bcz the war changed and transformed due to escalation.

What a thread.

@Joe Shearer you started the teasing and @hellfire you joined in. Now we have 7 pages offtopic.

Hmm. In my personal belief the dissection of all wars should be done in the senior section to avoid the falling of the standard and to attract better posters who can make valid points. Otherwise you will have a discussion going absolutely nowhere.

Hellfire you are right. Wars are decided on political goals and objectives however as you very well know objects of a war and even battle change and can change drastically. Especially when a war escalates. What was the initial objective to capture akhnur bridge ( and akhnur) and cut India from Kashmir turned into a desperate defence for lahore simply bcz the war changed and transformed due to escalation.

I can write many many paragraphs on the war bcz I have studied it a lot. I can write about blunders of both armies on military and intelligence front and how they both lost opportunities.


Joe, I am not sure but I don't know when war became a game of counting losses. If a side has lost 73 soldiers and the other has lost 80,any would say the 80 lost the battle simply counting losses. There is a lot more to war than losses.

6th September is celebrated as defence day of lahore and sialkot which it was...


Quite frankly all these wars have taught me one thing.

Our major cities and capitals are at borders.

Quetta borders Afghanistan
Lahore borders India
Karachi borders sea
Muzzarafabad borders Indian Kashmir.

Heck parachinar the largest city of FATA borders Afghanistan.


In every war especially one we don't see coming we will lose territory on our major cities and capitals and its something we can't avoid. I feel this is a major disadvantage we have with India and Afghanistan. An army making a major thrust against an unsuspecting country is bound to lose territory in its initial stage.

Anyhow again the dissection of the war is to be left at senior section.

I can write many many paragraphs on the war bcz I have studied it a lot. I can write about blunders of both armies on military and intelligence front and how they both lost opportunities.


Joe, I am not sure but I don't know when war became a game of counting losses. If a side has lost 73 soldiers and the other has lost 80,any would say the 80 lost the battle simply counting losses. There is a lot more to war than losses.

6th September is celebrated as defence day of lahore and sialkot which it was...


Quite frankly all these wars have taught me one thing.

Mea culpa.

I was bored and the teasing got out of hand. I need a minder. Happens in extreme old age.

BTW, have you noticed this guy FunkyGen; he reminds me so much of you in your early days. If he keeps on, we have another great poster.

 

[saiyan0321]

Mea culpa.

I was bored and the teasing got out of hand. I need a minder. Happens in extreme old age.

Hmm still I would say one can learn a lot even from this teasing. There is knowledge here for those that wish to learn.

BTW, have you noticed this guy FunkyGen; he reminds me so much of you in your early days. If he ke

Yep. Wish him best of luck and greater activity. Could use top posters and sensible posters...

 

[Daghalodi]

China did that.

India did it to counter China.

Did 98 explosions for a mixture of reasons-
Settle down J&K violence
Parliament was hung and nuke tests would rally people behind BJP govt.
RSS pressure to do the same.

India went nuclear back in 74 if you remember

Really if you want to counter china why the Eff is 90% of your army stationed towards pakistan??

 

[Thunder.Storm]

 

[Joe Shearer]

I wonder if the British were tap dancing when they were planning the partition. Knowing the fukers can't say they wouldn't.

One input.

None of my Dad's British colleagues or the Civil Service types, or my Grand Dad's Forest Service colleagues were prepared for the actual event. None of them had any money saved up; they went back in pretty bad financial condition. Some became school bursars; some picked up minor management jobs in small/medium companies, and some actually went back to the land, to farm or to raise cattle and sheep (particularly the northern ones, from Lancashire and Yorkshire, and from Lowland Scotland).

But there's another side to the story.

There was an Indian author, sometime ADC to Mountbatten, who wrote a book where he claimed that the creation of Pakistan was an outcome of the policies that Britain first developed in addressing the Great Game. But current historiography has it that the Great Game was a fictional construct. Britain never had the resources to play the Great Game, and it was a great construction of wishful thinking. Kipling's 'Kim', archetypically the background to the Great Game, was totally fiction; the departments did not exist, the intelligence service did not exist, only the Survey of India existed, and that, AFAIK, didn't figure in 'Kim'.

My personal evaluation is that there was a lot of thought that went into the decision at the highest levels in the British administration. We know that Churchill fought it to the last ditch; we know that Attlee wanted to get rid of the imperial baggage and get down to rehabilitating the common people, the lower middle classes, the working class, all of those who weren't stake-holders in imperium, and get back to building a welfare state. We know that the King was deeply involved and had personally briefed Mountbatten before his departure, especially on the way to handle the Indian princes, who had lost the plot through the First to the Third Round Table Conferences. But I strongly doubt that there was a strong, unified policy.

One of the things that I deeply regret about discussions on PDF or on other popular fora is the total lack of information among MOST participants. I won't go into detail, for fear of starting new brush-fires, but @hellfire knows about some of my recent trials, probably because he was one of the very few who set about repairing the gaps in his knowledge and made a very good job of it.

 

[Daghalodi]

That's not correct factually.

More than 50% of the army is in cantonments across India.

Furthermore it is BSF which is stationed towards Pakistan along 80-90% of border.

Army is deployed centrally and go either west or east depending on requirements.

Hahahaha!! I rest my case here.

 

[CriticalThought]

Nobody's stopping you from your celebrations. But mistaken facts and misrepresented information will be highlighted. So celebrate but don't exaggerate or prevaricate. Get it?

You don't tell us what is truth and what is lie. Get it? Now, get lost.

 

[Windjammer]

WHEN PAKISTANI FORCES FORCED INDIAN SOLDIER’S TO CHANGE THEIR LOOK

The book “1965 War- The Inside Story’s” chapter number 8 “Of Cowardice and Panic” speaks about the cowardice of Major General Niranjan Prasad, the commanding officer of the Indian Army’s Lahore sector. In his bid to attack Lahore, Pakistan, the Pakistan Army countered in such a manner that the Indian General and his platoon were forced to “run away!”

“On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga (Nissan P60 Jeep) to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: “He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved.” Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: “Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer.”

 

[CriticalThought]

For posterity, let it be known: Both in 1965, and in Kargil, we lost the war when we ran out of supplies. It's as simple as that. The reasons why we lost supplies can be discussed separately. But this is a celebration of the valor and sacrifices made by our brave sons of the soil. It's not about only Lahore. It's a day where we hold our head high in defiance. And Alhamdulillah, today our defiance is grounded in solid military might due to which Indians cannot even dream of attacking us without major external support.

For ever more, Indians shall be lowly cowards who only know how to attack poor, helpless people who don't have the resources to fight. When faced an enemy who can strike back as hard or even harder, they cower like a lone hyena that's been kicked in the guts. With steel capped boots (etc. as before).

 

[Joe Shearer]

You don't tell us what is truth and what is lie. Get it? Now, get lost.

After you, Sir.

I have told the exact, brutal truth to Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Bangladeshis, the lot, for nine years now. Don't see any reason to change.

 

[CriticalThought]

After you, Sir.

Yes, always late in 'getting it'. And feeling too lost to get lost.

 

[Trango Towers]

Are these Pakistani f16 ?

Geography isn't your strong point is it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, always late in 'getting it'. And feeling too lost to get lost.

Oh, don't worry. I've been around long enough to know my way around. Once you get there yourself, you won't feel that everyone else is lost, just because you can't get your bearings. You have a long way, a very long way to go. Good luck on your journey, and good luck with encounters with your elders and betters on the way. You need it.