F-16 jets supplied to Pakistan for fighting terrorism, US assures India

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Unique technologies ?

Too much of weed! We haven't yet received any Tech even about a screw driver lol.

I can feel the happiness of our neighbour every time US tries to take us in....
Hope my leaders are reasonable....

F/A 18 Advance Super Hornet is a monster

but Mig-35 is awesome as well. couldn't go wrong with either one.


if Pakistan wants to buy Chinese they will need friendship prices or it's going to be very expensive to buy,maintain, train pilots for them.

Only thing which could make India buy American jets, is that if US acts like Russia plus servicing when selling us arms.

You see they don't bother much what we do with their systems....

 

[Bratva]

A baseless speculations like some kill devices etc mounted onboard these F-16s. During each and every border stand off F-16s have been deployed by us. Also they perform escort missions and are on ADA duties in all Bases they are stationed and the only night UAV kill and that too of IAF is credited to PAF's F-16s. What else do we ask for?

Not baseless speculations. Americans has measures in place to stop Pakistan from using jets against Pakistan. Two publicly leaked measures are America will stop providing encryption keys which will render F-16 useless i.e IFF, LINK-16 EW and associated systems will stop working and to completely ground the F-16 fleet. Americans will stop supplying F-16 spare parts as already threatened by the American senator recently

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Not baseless speculations. Americans has measures in place to stop Pakistan from using jets against Pakistan. Two publicly leaked measures are America will stop providing encryption keys which will render F-16 useless i.e IFF, LINK-16 EW and associated systems will stop working and to completely ground the F-16 fleet. Americans will stop supplying F-16 spare parts as already threatened by the American senator recently

The fact that many do not take up is,
For Strategic interests of USA, Pakistan is more important than India.

And this sole reason should be enough for you to be chilled.

 

[Windjammer]

It's amazing if not hilarious that how people with an access to a PC, have become experts on defence matters, damn those making decisions on the top must be living in oblivion if they can't comprehend the reality which our arm chair generals repeatedly expose..... or maybe they do know something we can't even imagine.... I remember before coming to power, Obama openly said that he would attack Pakistan....yet now he's an ardent supporter of F-16s for Pakistan.
Regrettably, once again i have to repeat my argument.... take a good look at this image and conclude that who supplied these weapons and systems to Pakistan and how are they meant to be used solely against the terrorists.

 

[shah1398]

Not baseless speculations. Americans has measures in place to stop Pakistan from using jets against Pakistan. Two publicly leaked measures are America will stop providing encryption keys which will render F-16 useless i.e IFF, LINK-16 EW and associated systems will stop working and to completely ground the F-16 fleet. Americans will stop supplying F-16 spare parts as already threatened by the American senator recently

Sir Pakistan did manage to fly those F-16s during whole sanction period too and in eventuality of any full blown war between Pakistan and India its speculated that its not gonna last for more than a month and we surely have so much of reliability plus spare support of F-16s for sustained operations. Regarding the encryption codes i wud just say that as Pakistanis did sort out this matter earlier then they can sort it out now too. Also Sir like i mentioned earlier too we have been scrambling our F-16s to any untoward situation at eastern border and in no way US wud take this step of restricting Pakistan as it knows we wud ultimately go nuclear as last option. This is what US wud never want. They are wise guys.

 

[araz]

His shouting sarcasm (in all capitals ) does not mean much, Sir. My comment remains short and correct.

Sir
When have you ever been anything but correct!!!!!!!?. However, if tit comes to tat, PAF will do with all its arsenal and equipment the job that it is meant to do, AND THAT MY DEAR SIR IS A PROMISE!! I want to write a lot more but I have already been called rude a couple of times yesterday so I am abstinent.But I would bring to your attention the fact that the name of Lockmart would be dust if at the crunch time its provided arsenal does not work to its capabilities. No weapons provider worth its salt would want its products to lose out to its adversary Kill switches or no Kill switches. However, as always you are always correct so what can a humble enthusiast like me say against the grewat Vcheng AKA Syed Ali Haider.
A

 

[omega supremme]

So in a war Pakistan won't be able to use F-16s against India? Whats the point in having such a restricted jet?
Let USA boot lick India and buy jets from elsewhere. This is,not 1990s.

These F-16's shall be used against india in case of war

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Well, I also agree that they probably could be used against India in time of self defense (US will not be seen by many of its buyers as being reliable and will lose all the Gulf/Arab states the second it gets out that PAF F-16s were useless in time of conflicts against foreign powers). That being said the US doesnt need a kill switch, when we can hack into IDFAF F-16s and go along for the ride to check on who/what they were bombing, it is a short hop, skip, and jump from being able to hack into a jets systems to being able to disable it remotely. We can electronically take them out i am sure of it, but will US do that for India, I doubt it. More likely they will be used as political leverage to cease hostilities between Pakistan and India.

I don't know what PAF is thinking if something like that is possible?

@Horus @Zarvan @araz @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @MastanKhan @Windjammer

 

[VCheng]

Not baseless speculations. Americans has measures in place to stop Pakistan from using jets against Pakistan. Two publicly leaked measures are America will stop providing encryption keys which will render F-16 useless i.e IFF, LINK-16 EW and associated systems will stop working and to completely ground the F-16 fleet. Americans will stop supplying F-16 spare parts as already threatened by the American senator recently

The basic airframe can always fly.

 

[zebra7]

I have few questions from the Pakistani Experts

1. How did F-16 Block 52 is needed against terrorism, when the MLUed F-16 have Sniper Pods and JF-17 have WMD-7 pods to target the enemy with the LGB.


2. @Quwa @Manticore Dear Sir, I had a question for the MLU of the F-16, which what I gathered got the Airframe strengthening, for increase of the service life. But questions arises, those MLU kit didn't includes the Engine replacement, rather the Overhaul kit, so what is the service life left of the F-16 Block A/B which was inducted starting from 80's left. Does the PAF have to retire the F-16 starting from 2020.

 

[Zain Malik]

Most of us will be throwing a party if Pakistan goes towards more modern J-31, SU-35 instead of 80s era F-16.
You can keep dreaming of India buying F-18. French dream of selling Rafale to India had turned into a nightmare

Don't underestimate the Chinese weapons like J31..
The can do every thing...

I have few questions from the Pakistani Experts

1. How did F-16 Block 52 is needed against terrorism, when the MLUed F-16 have Sniper Pods and JF-17 have WMD-7 pods to target the enemy with the LGB.


2. @Quwa @Manticore Dear Sir, I had a question for the MLU of the F-16, which what I gathered got the Airframe strengthening, for increase of the service life. But questions arises, those MLU kit didn't includes the Engine replacement, rather the Overhaul kit, so what is the service life left of the F-16 Block A/B which was inducted starting from 80's left. Does the PAF have to retire the F-16 starting from 2020.

We not going to retire F-16 till 2025.....
Do you really think that we r buying 18 block 52 from America for just 4 years.......

Well after posting this thread I've realized how powerful and frightening the F-16 is .......

 

[araz]

I have few questions from the Pakistani Experts

1. How did F-16 Block 52 is needed against terrorism, when the MLUed F-16 have Sniper Pods and JF-17 have WMD-7 pods to target the enemy with the LGB.


2. @Quwa @Manticore Dear Sir, I had a question for the MLU of the F-16, which what I gathered got the Airframe strengthening, for increase of the service life. But questions arises, those MLU kit didn't includes the Engine replacement, rather the Overhaul kit, so what is the service life left of the F-16 Block A/B which was inducted starting from 80's left. Does the PAF have to retire the F-16 starting from 2020.

MLUs life is shortened not as much as a newer platform. For sustained operations newer platforms are constantly required to share the load. we have established invetory and infrastructure, trained manpower to fly and maintain the plane and 30 yrs of experience on the platform. This is the reaon for going for more 16s. Due to cost constraints we will try and get older air frames as well, but newer ones are a need of the time.
A

 

[Xn Jin]

crying in way like India is supplier Pakistan is purchaser and USA is middle man (broker)

 

[Bratva]

Sir Pakistan did manage to fly those F-16s during whole sanction period too and in eventuality of any full blown war between Pakistan and India its speculated that its not gonna last for more than a month and we surely have so much of reliability plus spare support of F-16s for sustained operations. Regarding the encryption codes i wud just say that as Pakistanis did sort out this matter earlier then they can sort it out now too. Also Sir like i mentioned earlier too we have been scrambling our F-16s to any untoward situation at eastern border and in no way US wud take this step of restricting Pakistan as it knows we wud ultimately go nuclear as last option. This is what US wud never want. They are wise guys.

Exactly keep that in mind how toothless F-16 were during Kargil War. It would become more or less the same when it can not sniff out enemy airplanes without its IFF turned on and cant communicate with the pack or the leader because communication suit wont work.

There is no workaround this time. Pakistani leaders willingly accepted these terms and signed CISMOA and screwed themselves.

The basic airframe can always fly.

Achaar dalnaa hai kiya bhai basic airframe ka.

 

[shah1398]

Exactly keep that in mind how toothless F-16 were during Kargil War. It would become more or less the same when it can not sniff out enemy airplanes without its IFF turned on and cant communicate with the pack or the leader because communication suit wont work.

PAF in Kargil? Sir as far as i know PAF never sprang into action during Kargil as it was a venture which was planned and executed exclusively by Mushi n Co. Even the IAF's planes were downed by PA personnel. PAF was at the back end protecting own airspace only. Also if it had actually happened then anyone including Mushi were mad to still go for F-16s.