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WASHINGTON, Sept 4: Pakistan’s military action in Balochistan will not affect a $5 billion US deal for selling F-16 fighter jets to the country, the US state department said. The department’s comments follow media reports that Pakistan has used against the rebels some of the weapons it received from the US for fighting Al Qaeda sympathisers and drug smugglers.

“The current events in Balochistan are unlikely to have any effect on the sale of F-16s to that country,” a state department official told reporters in Washington.

The official said the US administration believed slain Baloch leader Nawab Akbar Bugti “wanted to take control of natural resources in Balochistan through violent means and this is something that the US does not condone”.
 
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John,

Read Mark Sien's last three posts in this thread.
He's replied it already.

The report is hogwash!
 
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Sir,

The country or actually the region I'm from its quite normal to address senior people as 'Sir' ou of respect.
Seniority btw isn't always about the age.
In your case its about knowledge and life experience. ;)

Ah, Neo, we might be separated by age, geographical distance and possibly much else, but I too was brought up to be respectful to my seniors and considerate of my peers so in this we are 'two hearts that beat as one'.
I salute you, young sir.
 
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Substantial discount in the price of the F-16 aircraft

WASHINGTON: Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf, who has already left for his longest visit to the US so far, is understood to be carrying private assurances from President Bush that he may receive a substantial discount in the price of the F-16 aircraft Pakistan is currently in the process of purchasing from Washington.

Well placed Pakistani sources say the first indication of a substantial price reduction, or compensation in lieu of such a cut, was given by General Musharraf himself to his military colleagues in recent weeks after a telephonic talk with President Bush, who acknowledged only two days ago that he keeps talking to Mr. Musharraf frequently.

Experts say while technically it may not be possible for Mr. Bush to “reduce” the price of the F-16 aircraft as the manufacturers have to get their price with the profits, it may be possible for the US President to compensate Pakistan in some other way, either by an increase in the direct US economic or military aid or writing off existing loans or in some other financial arrangement.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=2989
 
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Neo, I had also read this earlier. It's post #34 in this thread. The link was from an Indian newspaper. No one responded to it.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/9462.html

As long as that article puts Indians at ease, us Pakistanis are fine with it believe me :cheers:. The idea was to get the F-16s released (and looking at DSCA releases, the package is amazingly awesome) and there were multiple ways to skin this cat...the way it was worked out was agreed to by the PAF because in reality, its not as intrusive as it sounds.

We have been working with US military transfers for a long time and one of the individuals who was involved in the earlier deal said that very similar restrictions were placed in the 83-84 purchase as well and they are very legitimate (from a sellers standpoint) and can be dealt with practically.
 
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Discount on F-16 deal to Pak in the offing

Press Trust of India

Islamabad, September 12, 2006

US President George W Bush plans to announce a "substantial discount" on the five billion dollar deal to sell F-16s to Pakistan during President Pervez Musharraf's visit to Washington as a gesture of approval of his handling of the war on terror, a media report said on Tuesday.

Musharraf, who left for Brussels on Monday on his way to the US, is "understood to be carrying private assurances from President Bush that he may receive a substantial discount in the price of the F-16 aircraft Pakistan is currently in the process of purchasing from Washington," The News reported.

"The first indication of a substantial price reduction, or compensation in lieu of such a cut, was given by General Musharraf himself to his military colleagues in recent weeks after a telephonic talk with President Bush, who acknowledged only two days ago that he keeps talking to Musharraf frequently," the report said.

"While technically it may not be possible for Bush to "reduce" the price of the F-16 aircraft as manufacturers have to get their price with the profits, it may be possible for the US President to compensate Pakistan in some other way, either by an increase in the direct US economic or military aid or writing off existing loans or in some other financial arrangement," the newspaper said.

There is already a raging controversy in Pakistan over the purchase of 38 new and old F-16s over remarks by US officials that Washington would impose strict guidelines, which include periodic inspections of the fleet and their bases to verify guarantees by Pakistan that it would not pass the technology to China.

The planes apparently would also not carry facilities to carry nuclear weapons.
"All these feelings for General Musharraf flow from the strategy that the war on terror is being won and only the Republicans can win this war as compared to Democrats no matter how strong the negative feelings among Americans against the war in Iraq or how damaging its consequences in the November elections," it said.

To counter this Republican strategy, the Democrats and their mouthpieces in the media, are pounding hard on Musharraf who now appears to be acquiring the status of a "political football" for electioneering purposes.

Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean went on a "rampage" against Musharraf attacking the Pakistan President's deal with tribal in Waziristan.

"Today, or this week, northern Pakistan was written off by President Musharraf. They have now a treaty that they won't go - or an agreement with the tribes that they won't go in and enforce their jurisdiction.

"You know, Afghanistan is turning against us, and that is where the fight on terror is. That's where Osama bin Laden is. Osama bin Laden has not been captured five years later. That's a big problem," it quoted him as saying to the US TV networks.

It also said in order to show Musharraf as a success, the Republican party through its International Republican Institute conducted a survey in Pakistan the results of which showed favourable rating for Musharraf even though it said he should quit one of the offices and allow former Prime Ministers, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1794015,000500020000.htm
 
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Ok I have competely stopped relying on Indian news media especially after the article 'Pakistan acquires capability to build nuclear subs'. That news has yet to be confirmed by any credible news agency. And I wont bet a dime on anything that comes out of the Indian press till I see it backed up by another agency with some repute to talk of.
 
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Ah yes, I missed that. The News was probably the only Pakistan newspaper reporting but Indian Media splashed that all over their networks. Anywayz, the so-called capability to build nuclear sub has yet to be verified by any of the credible military sources, such as Janes.
 
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Tuesday, September 19, 2006

By Khalid Hasan

NEW YORK: Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri has dismissed as unfounded the view that the F16s Pakistan is buying from the United States are ill-equipped to deal effectively with Pakistan’s defence needs.

The minister told a press conference on Sunday evening that Pakistan is not buying “remote control toys”, nor paying $5 billion from its own resources to purchase aircraft that would not fulfil its defence requirements. What Pakistan is acquiring is “bang for the buck”. He did not wish to make any comment on what has been appearing on this issue in the US media. “These are weapons for Pakistan’s defence. We lack high performance aircraft and that’s what we are getting.” Obviously, there are restrictions countries place on transfer of technology, he added. He said he had spoken to the Pakistan Air Force chief who had told him that the F16s the country had ordered are perfectly suited to its defence needs.

Asked about the forthcoming Bush-Musharraf meeting in Washington, Kasuri said there is strong personal chemistry between the two leaders. The meeting is significant because it is the first time the two are meeting since the start of the strategic relationship that now exists between Washington and Islamabad. “Our relations are now multifaceted and not confined to the war on terror,” he stressed. He said a major effort is going to be underway for the economic development of the tribal areas.

Kasuri, commenting on the “blame game” some people are playing as to Osama bin Laden’s “presence” in Pakistan, said it is both unfair and without validity. Sometimes it is said that Osama and his top deputies are hiding in Chitral, which is not a Pushtu-speaking area; sometimes it is said that Mullah Omar was seen praying in a mosque in Quetta. The likelihood of such a possibility is remote since every major Al Qaeda figure has been caught in urban areas. It is easier to hide in caves in remote hilly areas, which are mostly across the border. He said it is “very unfair to do finger-pointing.”

What intelligence Pakistan has, he pointed out, it shares with the CIA as with 50 other countries, he added.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\09\19\story_19-9-2006_pg7_17
 
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Isn't Mirage 2000 any good. Seems better than F-16 and is a heavyweight jet as is J-10
 
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Isn't Mirage 2000 any good. Seems better than F-16 and is a heavyweight jet as is J-10
The Mirage 2000-5Mk2 and F-16C/D Block 52 are equal in most areas; Mirage 2000-5Mk2 excells in high altitude combat whereas F-16 excells in low altitude combat. For the most part, South Asian air warfare was, is and will primarily be low altitude (dogfights). Not to mention the fact that the PAF is getting the F-16C/D Block 52+ aka "Advanced Block 52"; which stands between Mirage 2000-5Mk2 and Mirage 2000-9, if not equal to the dash-9.
 
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French Mirage 2000-5 with the radar RDY7 has a bigger air-air detection range of 130km when you compare it to the F16 C/D AN/APG-68 (V)9 radar with only 110km. :agree:

Both fighters are very good in BVR combat, the MICA and AIM-120s are among the best missiles for the job. Out of the two fighters the F16 has the edge for the strike role and is a better bomber. :disagree:
 
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well all the things seems pretty from the point of view of this new agreement but the bad thing is about the news circulating about the use of these F-16s in combat and specially in aerial attacks over an enemy territory. whether pakistan is getting discount or not, whether they are equipped with latest technology or not, the only thing bothering me is the limitation of their use. they are useless for pakistan if they are being accepted with such limitations.

it would not be a good idea to pursue this deal. rather by injecting the same amount in the JF-17 project and J-10's further advancement, pakistan can gain a lot. if a fighter has been evolved by a nation with meagre resources at its disposal in terms of technology, infrastructure, manpower, why isn't it possible for it to go further by investing this money in the stated areas. i am convinced a better fighter is possible to design by this investment. at least we will be able to use it whereever we wish to do it with out any limitations.

we have come this far with the JF-17 project. we can go further in its improvement and innovations. let the F-16 rest in peace.
 
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