F-16 Block 15MLU/50/52 Fighter

[Nutuk]

First of all I applaud Pakistan on modernizing her airforce and the F16 is a relative good choice as midterm sollution. However technology is developing faster than ever in these modern times so Pakistan has to concentrate also on next generation stealth aircraft types.

A candidate could be the JF-10, but honestly I am sceptical of how much better the JF-10 can be compared to the F16 block 50 configuration. The JF-10 is good no doubt, but good enough to call her a nex generation aircraft? I have my doubts. Maybe Pakistan should consider the F35 as well. Whatever you select, select the best with keeping in mind that such fighters will be in service for 25-30 years.

 

[Nomi929]

First of all I applaud Pakistan on modernizing her airforce and the F16 is a relative good choice as midterm sollution. However technology is developing faster than ever in these modern times so Pakistan has to concentrate also on next generation stealth aircraft types.

A candidate could be the JF-10, but honestly I am sceptical of how much better the JF-10 can be compared to the F16 block 50 configuration. The JF-10 is good no doubt, but good enough to call her a nex generation aircraft? I have my doubts. Maybe Pakistan should consider the F35 as well. Whatever you select, select the best with keeping in mind that such fighters will be in service for 25-30 years.

Who will give F-35 to Pakistan???

U.S will not give its most advanced jet to PAKISTAN, due to Fear of technology leaking to China.

 

[network54]

why is that PAF always goes for single engine fighter jet?

low maintenance, and cost effective...

why it didnt developed a twin engined jet with China if as always said it was developed for both equally.?

JF-17 is a perfect replacement for aging fleet of mirage Q-5 and f-7... though maybe like F-6 twin engine chinese origin fighter, advance version of J-11 could also be offered..
who knows maybe pakistan's version of 5th generation stealth fighter could be worked out with china.. "twin engine"...

why it didnt purchased f15 when Usa was offering everything ,way back?
why paf doesnt develops its own twin engine jet,

F-15= heavy maintenance meaning less time in air... how ever it does not mean PAF personals or pilots are not capable of flying f-15s in fact PAF pilots fly for KSA....

 

[Nomi929]

low maintenance, and cost effective...


F-15= heavy maintenance meaning less time in air... how ever it does not mean PAF personals or pilots are not capable of flying f-15s in fact PAF pilots fly for KSA....

Was PAKSITAN ever offered F-15???

 

[fatman17]

Was PAKSITAN ever offered F-15???

not to my knowledge!

 

[JK!]

Only the most trusted US allies like Japan or Saudi Arabia have ever been offered the F15

 

[Nutuk]

Who will give F-35 to Pakistan???

U.S will not give its most advanced jet to PAKISTAN, due to Fear of technology leaking to China.

Nobody will give, Pakistan has to purchase. About technology leaking to China you have a point but on the other hand the US is proposing the F35 also to India. Seen the chance of technology leaking to Russia with India is present I don't think the US is fearing that too much.

 

[General Fujita]

Only the most trusted US allies like Japan or Saudi Arabia have ever been offered the F15

I doubt Uncle Sam trusts Saudi Arabia, its more the case of it needs Saudi Arabia. Back to the topic, even if the F-35 is offered to Pakistan, its not likely to be in the near future and perhaps an older block of it would be offered. I dont see the F-35 in PAF's plans, especially with the J-xx project looming.

 

[Nomi929]

Nobody will give, Pakistan has to purchase. About technology leaking to China you have a point but on the other hand the US is proposing the F35 also to India. Seen the chance of technology leaking to Russia with India is present I don't think the US is fearing that too much.

Offcourse man, Pakistan has to purchase it, But F-15 was never available to Pakistan.

Secondly i doubt that, Us is proposing F-35 to India

 

[Nutuk]

Offcourse man, Pakistan has to purchase it, But F-15 was never available to Pakistan.

Secondly i doubt that, Us is proposing F-35 to India

I only stated F35 because she is the newest in her class with stealth features and 5th generation. The point is that Pakistan should look next to the midterm F16 solution also into the 5th generation aircrafts because India certainly will.

Even if the US wouldn't (which I doubt) go for a direct sale of F35 to Pakistan, even then Pakistan could opt for a joint order of the F35 along with Turkey. Well, everything is ofcourse a matter of budget but if Pakistan could afford it she should not get behind India in 5th generation fighters.

Side note: Turkey has already signed a MOU to order 100 F35 and preparing to extend the order to 16 more, 116 aircrafts.

 

[nitesh]

I only stated F35 because she is the newest in her class with stealth features and 5th generation. The point is that Pakistan should look next to the midterm F16 solution also into the 5th generation aircrafts because India certainly will.

Even if the US wouldn't (which I doubt) go for a direct sale of F35 to Pakistan, even then Pakistan could opt for a joint order of the F35 along with Turkey. Well, everything is ofcourse a matter of budget but if Pakistan could afford it she should not get behind India in 5th generation fighters.

Side note: Turkey has already signed a MOU to order 100 F35 and preparing to extend the order to 16 more, 116 aircrafts.

Nutuk, the point you are making is ok but you must have seen the thread about air chief interview. Doesn't seem to be any place for F 35's

 

[fatman17]

I only stated F35 because she is the newest in her class with stealth features and 5th generation. The point is that Pakistan should look next to the midterm F16 solution also into the 5th generation aircrafts because India certainly will.

Even if the US wouldn't (which I doubt) go for a direct sale of F35 to Pakistan, even then Pakistan could opt for a joint order of the F35 along with Turkey. Well, everything is ofcourse a matter of budget but if Pakistan could afford it she should not get behind India in 5th generation fighters.

Side note: Turkey has already signed a MOU to order 100 F35 and preparing to extend the order to 16 more, 116 aircrafts.

there is one difference my friend - Turkey is NATO whilst Pakistan is not!

 

[jaison]

Nutuk, the point you are making is ok but you must have seen the thread about air chief interview. Doesn't seem to be any place for F 35's

yes the us the f-16 is choosen it could besold the f-35,but the airchief said that f-35 was not wat india is looking for because it wants to gain strong expertise in design,development,testing,local production including engine,tot of software abd hardware this cannot be expected from the f-35 and only the joint russian project seems good.

 

[fatman17]

yes the us the f-16 is choosen it could besold the f-35,but the airchief said that f-35 was not wat india is looking for because it wants to gain strong expertise in design,development,testing,local production including engine,tot of software abd hardware this cannot be expected from the f-35 and only the joint russian project seems good.

i think if india is offered the F-35 it would grab it with both hands.!

 

[Nutuk]

US offers F-35 fighters to India

A K Dhar in New Delhi
July 22, 2007 20:49 IST

In a major move, the United States has sent feelers that it is now ready for transfer of hi-technology weaponry to India, including its 5th generation joint Strike Fighter F-35.

Though Pentagon has offered New Delhi participation in its missile shield, top of the shelf 4th generation F-16 and F-18/A fighters, weapon locating radars and its new brand of long range maritime reconnaissance aircraft, it has so far kept the F-35 under wraps.

But in a surprise move last week, a high-level team from US Defence Major Lockheed Martin met top officials of the Indian Air Force to convey that the F-35 Lightning-II was available for IAF's 5th generation fighter requirements.

Lockheed Martin's Vice President for Business Development, Rob Weiss told PTI after the meeting that they had indicated that the F-35 was ready to be in reckoning for

India's fighter needs beyond the induction of the 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft.

The offer would come in handy for India as the country's security experts have been struggling to find partners to develop futuristic 5th generation fighters.

Though New Delhi has been in negotiation with Moscow [Images] for joint development and joint investment in next generation fighters, the Russian concepts of such fighters is currently only on the drawing board.

Americans embarked on development of the F-35 in early 2000 with an intial cost outlay of USD 50 billion along with close strategic partners. The first of these new generation fighters are likly to be inducted into the US Air Force [Images] by the end of 2009 or in early 2010.

"In the next few years a number of countries are joining the F-35 programme and Indian Air Force could also consider joining," Weiss said. "We briefed top IAF officials about the new fighters."

With embedded antennas, aligned edges, internal weapons and fuel and special coatings and material, the F-35 fighter uses stealth to pick and choose engagements while reaming undetected by enemy defence systems.

Weiss said the F-35 fighters boast of the most powerful sensor suite ever to be fitted on a fighter plane which will enable it to bring a seamless real world and real time 360 degree display of the battlespace to turn the pilots into "tacticians rather than technicians."

Lockheed Martin officials said if new countries joined the F-35 programme, the US could be open to delivery of new generation fighters within the next decade.

They said if the IAF chose the Lockheed Martin world's best selling fighter F-16 fighting falcons, it could "position India to be ready to receive advanced technologies incorporated in the F-35's."

Lockheed Martin officials said lot of new technologies being tested on F-35 would be leveraged in the new generation F-16 Block 50 fighters.