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it is exactly what it is - mere speculation.

its not like witnessing an alien ship. There are different degrees in "speculations" itself.

for eg: It was "speculated" that the taliban was in nexus with the Pak army during the US invasion of Afghan and that PA was helping the taliban. It was true.

Or - It is speculated that PA is invloved in the kargil conflict. In Mush's book, he confirmed it.

Or- It is speculated that Nimitz carried nukes on its transit in the bay of bengal.

These speculations cannot be brought to light due to the secrecy invloved.
 
PAF did not have BVRs only cause they were not going to get it atleast in 1983.

Srry for double posting

I think you are right. When I read the PAF Official History Book which published in 1982-83 (written by Shabbir Hussain I think), the major threat that was mentioned was Mig-23 of IAF equipped with new radars and AA-7 Apex BVRs too.

Now if the main threat was Mig-23MF, then its not understandable that why the Govt of Pakistan/PAF did not buy a single platform capable of BVR missiles. The F-16A at that time (early 1980s) was not supposed to carry BVRs. However I am sure that PAF would have wanted to get AIM-7s with them but USA was trying to give downgraded things to Pakistan.

Initially they offered A-7 Corsairs to Pakistan and if u see the 1980 edition of Jane's All the World Aircraft, Pakistan is listed as user of Corsair. PAF insisted on something better than a ground attack aircraft. US then offered the F-16/79, F-16A equipped with old J-79 engine. PAF being bent on getting the right thing, at least succeeded in getting F-16A with latest engines.

But the answer lies outside F-16 deal. At that time (around 1980), PAF decided to get 40 F-16s, 32 Mirage-Vs and 50 A-5s.

I think that we should have opted for Mirage F-1Es instead of Mirage-V and thus could have achieved BVR capability in the form of Super 530D.

In the 1980s or perhaps late 1970s, almost all countries ordered Mirage F1s like Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Morocco, Qatar, Kuwait, Spain etc. Only Pakistan chose to stick with the same Mirage-V even in the 1980-81 while ordering 32 of them (exocet equipped).

Exocet could have been easily carried by F1 too, rather I think F1 can carry two Exocets. The advantage of F-1 would have been the BVR missiles like Super 530D. Iraq also obtained these missiles for use against Irani F-14s.

Mirage F-1 was better in all respects as compared to Mirage-3/5. More fuel, more maneuverability, shorter take-off, greater range and climb rate etc

By 1980, Pakistan was almost a nuclear power and for the defence of nuclear installation a BVR capable squadron was extremely important simply because any attack formation coming for the nuclear installations would certainly be escorted by BVR capable air superiority fighters.

A Sidewinder equipped fighter cant destroy an intruder unless it is 8-9 km away, thus defining an air defence strategy for nuclear installations with Sidewinder equipped fighters cant be fool-proof.

Here it must be clarified that SAMs cant be guarantee for protection of vital national assets. Thats only one layer of defence.

Then in 1994-95, a serious effort was done by ACM Abbas Khattak to acquire Mirage 2000-5 (I think 32 of them) but Govt and some retired PAF officers like Air Marshal Ayyaz A Khan wrote against the deal.

At that time the daily Muslim used to publish a military special addition once a week, called "MILITARY PANORAMA" and ex-Air Marshal Ayyaz A Khan wrote many articles againt the Mirage-2000 and in favor of Gripen, knowing that quite recently US denied Pakistan its paid F-16s under Pressler or Brown amendments and Gripen was using US-derived engine and US weapons. I still have all those articles of Ayyaz A Khan. I like Gripen but only if SAAB could have provided it with a european engine and european BVR missiles.

A new Gripen with engine of Eurofighter or Rafale and armed with european/south african missiles is a possibility now but I am not sure if that was possible in 1994-95. South Africa has integrated A-Darter with its Gripens and Meteor is already on the list of Gripen. So now, its a good option.

After ACM Abbas Khattak, ACM P Q Mehdi too gave interview to The News, stressing the need for new fighters. Therefore PAF tried its best but its the rulers who are responsible for this whole BVR mess.

This was to bear fruit in 1999, during Kargil conflict. IAF, feeling the imbalance between the two air forces, launched unhindered operations. Although these operations were mostly inside IH territory and some of those who violated the LoC were shot down, but still it was felt in Pakistan that IAF was very bold during all the operations.
 
Four F-16s arrive in Pakistan
Updated : Saturday June 28 , 2008 6:44:53 PM


SARGODHA: At least F-16 fighter jets have arrived in Pakistan from USA on Saturday.

The fighter planes flew in Pakistan at Mushaf Airbase Sargodha, where a special ceremony is underway regarding handing over of these aircrafts to Pakistan Air Force.

Now two fighter F-16s are yet to be given to Pakistan.


http://www.ary.net.pk/beta/newsdetail.asp?nid=7399

what is this?? are only 8 F-16 going to receive MLU?
 
US eyes electronic-warfare sale to Pakistan

Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:30pm BST

WASHINGTON, June 27 (Reuters) - The Bush administration said on Friday it was proposing to sell Pakistan ITT Corp (ITT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) electronic warfare gear valued at up to $75 million to enhance Islamabad's existing F-16 fighter aircraft fleet.

Pakistan has asked about buying as many as 21 AN/ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite pods, or AIDEWS, and related equipment, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a notice to lawmakers.

The proposed sale will ensure that the existing fleet is "compatible" with new Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) F-16 Block 50/52 fighters being purchased by Islamabad, the notice said.

Electronic warfare targets such things as radars, communications links, computer networks and advanced sensors.

The notice of a potential sale is required by U.S. law. It does not mean the sale has been concluded. (Reporting by Jim Wolf Editing by Mark Porter)

US eyes electronic-warfare sale to Pakistan | Reuters
 
its not like witnessing an alien ship. There are different degrees in "speculations" itself.

for eg: It was "speculated" that the taliban was in nexus with the Pak army during the US invasion of Afghan and that PA was helping the taliban. It was true.

Or - It is speculated that PA is invloved in the kargil conflict. In Mush's book, he confirmed it.

Or- It is speculated that Nimitz carried nukes on its transit in the bay of bengal.

These speculations cannot be brought to light due to the secrecy invloved.

all i can say is "sit down" bro. i would really appreciate some proof of your logic.
 
US eyes electronic-warfare sale to Pakistan

Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:30pm BST

WASHINGTON, June 27 (Reuters) - The Bush administration said on Friday it was proposing to sell Pakistan ITT Corp (ITT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) electronic warfare gear valued at up to $75 million to enhance Islamabad's existing F-16 fighter aircraft fleet.

Pakistan has asked about buying as many as 21 AN/ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite pods, or AIDEWS, and related equipment, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a notice to lawmakers.

The proposed sale will ensure that the existing fleet is "compatible" with new Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) F-16 Block 50/52 fighters being purchased by Islamabad, the notice said.

Electronic warfare targets such things as radars, communications links, computer networks and advanced sensors.

The notice of a potential sale is required by U.S. law. It does not mean the sale has been concluded. (Reporting by Jim Wolf Editing by Mark Porter)

US eyes electronic-warfare sale to Pakistan | Reuters

double post! already reported
 
Another batch of four F-16s joins PAF
Updated at: 2302 PST, Saturday, June 28, 2008
ISLAMABAD: A simple but impressive ceremony for handing over of four, F-16 aircraft to Pakistan Air Force was held at PAF Base Mushaf, Sargodha on Saturday. Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operations), Pakistan Air Force received the Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L. North, Commander 9th Air Force and USAF Central Command. Four aircraft have already arrived in Pakistan.

The batch of aircraft which arrived today have the same operational capability as of the already possessed F-16 aircraft by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan.

The last batch of remaining four F-16 aircraft would be handed over to PAF on July 28, 2008. A contingent of high-ranking officials from Air Forces of Pakistan and United States were also present on the occasion.
 
Few Photos of the F-16's we got.

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all i can say is "sit down" bro. i would really appreciate some proof of your logic.

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

Curbs on offensive deployment; end-use clauses intrusive

NEW DELHI: India’s most ambitious military acquisition from the United States to date comes with strings attached: there are restrictions on its offensive deployment. And further, the end-use monitoring clauses agreed upon by India could mean intrusive inspections.

A damaging report on the purchase of USS Trenton tabled in Parliament on Friday noted that the $ 50-million deal was finalised after only a “visual inspection” and with “over-reliance” on information by the U.S. Navy.

The Comptroller and Auditor-General raised doubts over the military efficacy of USS Trenton (now INS Jalashwa) especially in view of the “restrictions on offensive deployment” and permission to the U.S. to “conduct an inspection and inventory of all articles transferred under the end-use monitoring clause.”

The report said: “Given that the ship is of old vintage [1971], the Indian Navy would remain dependent upon foreign based support … the cost [of refurbishment] may also go up further.”

Moreover, the acquisition decision and inking of the contract took place the same day, signalling haste in purchasing the ship.

A month ago, six Indian Navy sailors including an officer died aboard the same ship following a toxic gas leak. It later transpired that this class of ships had suffered from this problem and three U.S. Navy sailors lost their lives in a similar incident.


It is known to all military analysts around the world. The americans sell downgraded products with regular inspections.

Also, it is known that the americans have not given a single source code for any of the F-16 systems since 1983 to pak.

Plus the fact that pak is as close to china as she is to america. They would not give u the complete specs due to obvious reasons.

If they could do that to a 30 year old warship......that too a LPD. I have no doubt the F-16 u are flying will not be the same F-16 the USAF is flying.
 
:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::




It is known to all military analysts around the world. The americans sell downgraded products with regular inspections.

Also, it is known that the americans have not given a single source code for any of the F-16 systems since 1983 to pak.

Plus the fact that pak is as close to china as she is to america. They would not give u the complete specs due to obvious reasons.

If they could do that to a 30 year old warship......that too a LPD. I have no doubt the F-16 u are flying will not be the same F-16 the USAF is flying.

What downgraded product are you talking about?

What source codes are you talking about?

Where do you learn this third graded speculations from?
 
i serch these pic too much but not get.thanks sir murad
 
Four F-16 Falcon fighters join PAF

The Post Report/Agencies

SARGODHA: The Pakistan Air Force received four refurbished F-16 fighter jets from the United States on Saturday at a simple but impressive ceremony at the PAF Mushaf Base.

Pakistan, a major non-NATO ally of the US, received two of these jets earlier this year and another four last month. Two more planes would be delivered next month, according to private television cannels.

The fighter jets are part of a consignment of 12 refurbished planes that Pakistan would receive from the US. Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, deputy operations chief of the air staff, received the fighting falcons from US Air Force Commander Lt General Gary L North.

The batch of the aircrafts has the same operational capability as of the already possessed F-16 aircraft by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of the country.

A contingent of high ranking air force officials from Pakistan and the US were also present on the occasion. The government also signed an agreement with the US in 2006 for purchase of 18 new F-16-C and F-16-D aircrafts.

In the start, Islamabad had decided to buy 36 of these aircraft at a total cost of 5.1 billion dollars. These included associated weapons, spares and upgrading of a fleet purchased in the 1980s. But later they halve its order due to financial constraints.

However, Pakistan will still have to spend 1.3 billion dollars on mid-life update and modification of the F-16A/B aircraft, which was purchased earlier. Engine modifications and purchasing some new equipment for the old fleet will cost Pakistan an additional 151 million dollars.

The new aircrafts will have facilities of carrying nuclear and non-nuclear weapons. The F-16 is a single-engine, supersonic, multi-role tactical aircraft and the jests were designed to be a cost-effective combat workhorse that can perform various kinds of missions and maintain around-the-clock readiness.

The F-16 is much smaller and lighter than its predecessors, but uses advanced aerodynamics and avionics, including the first use of a relaxed static stability/fly-by-wire flight control system, to achieve enhanced manoeuvre performance. Highly nimble, the F-16 can pull 9-g manoeuvres and can reach a maximum speed of Mach 2+.
 
i serch these pic too much but not get.thanks sir murad



You saw the word APP as caption on all photos therefore you can find it easily now. Just go to APP site and then click on Photo Service,u shall find even more photos this ceremony.....

its APP Photo Service (you can even go to Video service)

But all these falcons are twin-seaters.......
 
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