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Thank you melb4aust for that reply. However, at least two air forces (Belgium and Indonesia) have F-16As with parachute fairings.
"The aircraft originally received a smart blue/white color scheme (replaced by the Millenium colour scheme in 2000), and have a parachute fairing present in the tail root. Serial numbers occupy the TS-1601/TS-1612 range, and the aircraft wear the national roundel on the left wing."
Indonesian Air Force

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article6.html

"Close-up of the Carrapace passive RWR system installed on Belgian AF F-16s. The system consists of 2 receivers, mounted in the parachute compartment and under the intake."
Belgian Air Force

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article2.html

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Thank you melb4aust for that reply. However, at least two air forces (Belgium and Indonesia) have F-16As with parachute fairings.
"The aircraft originally received a smart blue/white color scheme (replaced by the Millenium colour scheme in 2000), and have a parachute fairing present in the tail root. Serial numbers occupy the TS-1601/TS-1612 range, and the aircraft wear the national roundel on the left wing."
Indonesian Air Force

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article6.html

"Close-up of the Carrapace passive RWR system installed on Belgian AF F-16s. The system consists of 2 receivers, mounted in the parachute compartment and under the intake."
Belgian Air Force

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article2.html

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Well, thats a good info regarding to the chute in F-16 and they are very rare,
but you've asked me about the F-16's pakistan is going to get so they are coming without chutes, yes there is a option of having chute in the aircraft incase of short runway to land or if brakes failure occur, just incase of an emergency.
 
Pakistan does not have to protest. The US has detached its dealings with India and Pakistan and as such it does not really matter what voice India has with the US. Its the US national interests and for as long as those are being helped by Pakistan, US will continue to deal with Pakistan militarily.

Not having influence with Israel is by choice...not because they are blindly aligned with India and refuse to deal with Pakistan. Russia can be seen in the same prisim as Pakistan's relations with China (over which India has no influence).

Israel has said it would not have any relationship with a Muslim country, there are some exceptions of course, but they are because of history. Israel will not jump the gun for Pakistan.

Lobbying in the US is open game...whoever can successfully lobby takes the day...so kudos to Indians for trying.

Yeah the Indian American community has just started to become active in politics. Indians are there in US in vast numbers. The results are there in the Indo-US nuke deal. I would dare to say that the deal was passed in congress because of them. They usedd their own influence to get congressmen to vote in favour. Since this has only very recently started. Threre is an Indian-American congressmen or senator(im confused) there too. I would hope that their sheer numbers and their successes there would make them like the famed jewish lobby in the US. Like i said, they have just started.

Also keep in mind that Pakistani-Russian relations will not stay static...they too will change as India's dealings with US evolve...the fact that Pakistan too is in SCO, means that there will be growth in security relations b/w Pakistan and Russia.

Yeah, as will India-China relations. They are not static and are akready moving at a steady pace. India too is in SCO along with Pakistan, though SCO was China's baby, and Russia is only secondary.

Though this is debatable, i would say that for a long time to come, Russia will be with India in all aspects. Because even though Russia cares more for money now. The Russian economy is growing good, and thus, it makes them less dependent on other powers, and it can play its card well, and support allies now, which was not the case earlier. Plus, India has invested a lot in Russia. Pakistan cannot offer the same kind of money as India. And Russia wants another axis: Russia , India, China.
That does not include Pakistan. And now the relations b/w Russia and India are over the cold war era US-Pak and India-Russia axis. There wwould be deeper ties.
 
Israel has said it would not have any relationship with a Muslim country, there are some exceptions of course, but they are because of history. Israel will not jump the gun for Pakistan.

Israel has relations with Egypt, Jordan and Turkey and they are all muslim.

Israel even builds weaponry for Turkey

Yeah the Indian American community has just started to become active in politics. Indians are there in US in vast numbers. The results are there in the Indo-US nuke deal. I would dare to say that the deal was passed in congress because of them. They usedd their own influence to get congressmen to vote in favour. Since this has only very recently started. Threre is an Indian-American congressmen or senator(im confused) there too. I would hope that their sheer numbers and their successes there would make them like the famed jewish lobby in the US. Like i said, they have just started.

The only reason the Jewish lobby has so much clout is because of Christian Evangalicals so Indian lobby will never be as powerful as the Jewish lobby.


Yeah, as will India-China relations. They are not static and are akready moving at a steady pace. India too is in SCO along with Pakistan, though SCO was China's baby, and Russia is only secondary.

Though this is debatable, i would say that for a long time to come, Russia will be with India in all aspects. Because even though Russia cares more for money now. The Russian economy is growing good, and thus, it makes them less dependent on other powers, and it can play its card well, and support allies now, which was not the case earlier. Plus, India has invested a lot in Russia. Pakistan cannot offer the same kind of money as India. And Russia wants another axis: Russia , India, China.
That does not include Pakistan. And now the relations b/w Russia and India are over the cold war era US-Pak and India-Russia axis. There wwould be deeper ties.

India and China are both vying for control for Asia where Pakistan and Russia have a different symmetry. India and China are natural rivals and as such will never be as close as China and Pakistan. But while India tilts towards USA, Russia will acquire a new arms market in Pakistan and since Russia relies on huge weapon sales to generate revenue it will have no problem selling to Pakistan.
 
Israel has relations with Egypt, Jordan and Turkey and they are all muslim.

Israel even builds weaponry for Turkey

Yeah like i said, exceptions cuz of history!, but considering that Israel wanted to bomb Pakistan too. I doubt Israel would make an exception NOW for Pakistan.

The only reason the Jewish lobby has so much clout is because of Christian Evangalicals so Indian lobby will never be as powerful as the Jewish lobby.

Dude, why are u taking it personally. I said I hope it becomes like the Jewish lobby there. I never said that it will definitely become so. Anyways, they would have a huge influence, regardless if it is as much as the jewish one or not. We have excellent relations with Israel.


India and China are both vying for control for Asia where Pakistan and Russia have a different symmetry. India and China are natural rivals and as such will never be as close as China and Pakistan. But while India tilts towards USA, Russia will acquire a new arms market in Pakistan and since Russia relies on huge weapon sales to generate revenue it will have no problem selling to Pakistan.

Dont count on Russia selling weapons to Pakistan. Not yet anyways.
Who says India and China are 'natural' rivals. The only rivalry is there and enimosity exists because of the 62 war. India and China are on a very steady path to peace. Hopefully the boundary issue will be resolved over time and then there will be no bone of contention.

As far Russia, Russia and Pakistan are more of rivals as Pak helped CA in afghanistan, etc.
 
Turkey and Egypt hardly represent any objective and valuable muslim power. Egypt is dictatorship and certainly not democratic. Its under US control cause it might be dangerous for Israel. Turkey isn't any danger to anyone. It is going through it knees to get accepted by Europe...

Israel is not moved by India either. Since Pakistan tends to move towards China they certainly are allowed to earn cash from the US... How else would US say no to Israeli awacs ro China and yes to India? The fact that US want to counter China is already shown by the nuclear arrangement between the two. It is pathetic that the example democracy in the world skip NPT and sells is nuclear soul to a nation that cannot feed 600 million...
 
Pakistan does not have to protest. The US has detached its dealings with India and Pakistan and as such it does not really matter what voice India has with the US. Its the US national interests and for as long as those are being helped by Pakistan, US will continue to deal with Pakistan militarily.
Its in India's best interest to protest. So, India did. There is nothing pathetic about it. But, assuming that India should be cool with it because we already we a strong military is idiocity.
 
It is pathetic that the example democracy in the world skip NPT and sells is nuclear soul to a nation that cannot feed 600 million...
Sell its nuclear soul. Don't comment when you know almost nothing. And you DON'T know anything about the nuclear pact. Its a windfall and India doesn't like to look the gift horse in the mouth. And poverty in India and Pakistan is similar. Unless you have contempt for Pakistan too you'd be better off not stirring that hive.
 
Turkey and Egypt hardly represent any objective and valuable muslim power. Egypt is dictatorship and certainly not democratic. Its under US control cause it might be dangerous for Israel. Turkey isn't any danger to anyone. It is going through it knees to get accepted by Europe...

Egypt has proper ceasefire with Israel. Its all because of history like i said. Pakistan has no histor with Israel apart from them wanting to bomb Pakistan.
And like i said, Israe is not likely to make any new friends

[/QUOTE]Israel is not moved by India either. Since Pakistan tends to move towards China they certainly are allowed to earn cash from the US... How else would US say no to Israeli awacs ro China and yes to India? The fact that US want to counter China is already shown by the nuclear arrangement between the two. It is pathetic that the example democracy in the world skip NPT and sells is nuclear soul to a nation that cannot feed 600 million...[/QUOTE]

Well...the nuke deal is meant to give electricity and increase and improve the countries people. How is that bad??
We have proved to the world that India is a responsible nuclear country, it is a democracy, it does not go with military adventureism. That made them remove the restrictions placed on India. And we get nuke power, its clean and cheap. It is of immense benifit to us as citizens of India.

Why Pakistan is crying foul, is not because of concerns for Indian people or morality or whatever. Its crying because they were NOT given the deal while India was, and they had bluntly asked for it. And it tilted the balance even heavily in favour of India.

Who cares what the US wants. India will do what is in its own national intersts. If all the restrictions on India are being removed, why should we crib? If we are being given access to technology denied to us for decades, why should we crib? India is uplifting its poor very fast. If to you that means that we should abandon everything else till no1 is poor in India, that we should not spend and invest in other places, then you say what you say out of spite.
 
When Exactly did Israel want to bomb Pakistan?

This is a myth conjured up by Jew hating Pakistanis.....

Israel never wanted to bomb Pakistan...

Infact, of all the countries in the world in which Israel needs to form a diplomatic relations with, Pakistan is #1

Pakistan is the only nuclear armed Islamic country with a huge population and is non-arab or non-persian and is not interested in being the leader of the islamic world.

So a diplomatic recognition by Pakistan for Israel will be a huge stepforward

I hope that day comes soon

Because I am getting tired of Pakistan fighting for Arab causes when Arabs dont give a rats *** about Pakistan
 
Its in India's best interest to protest. So, India did. There is nothing pathetic about it. But, assuming that India should be cool with it because we already we a strong military is idiocity.

Regardless of Indian protestations, the sales will go through. India's protesting is a formality given the current geo-political situation. That is my point.
 
When Exactly did Israel want to bomb Pakistan?

This is a myth conjured up by Jew hating Pakistanis.....

Israel never wanted to bomb Pakistan...

Infact, of all the countries in the world in which Israel needs to form a diplomatic relations with, Pakistan is #1

Pakistan is the only nuclear armed Islamic country with a huge population and is non-arab or non-persian and is not interested in being the leader of the islamic world.

So a diplomatic recognition by Pakistan for Israel will be a huge stepforward

I hope that day comes soon

Because I am getting tired of Pakistan fighting for Arab causes when Arabs dont give a rats *** about Pakistan

Naturally until an attack actually occurs, any accusation is based upon speculation only. However, I heard Lt Gen Hamid Gul(rtd) ex DG ISI, who should have some inside info; on a TV talk show called "Views on News" that during the early 1990's Israel conspired with India and planned an attack on the 'New Laboratories' at Kahuta, near Islamabad. This is a hush hush installtion which was reputedly the hub of Pakistan's nuclear activity. Pakistan had to install Croatale SAM's near the area as a precautionery measure.

No one can be sure about the element of truth in this, but apparently ISI had info that Indian planes in Israeli marking were seen practicing simulated attacks near the Jammu area which is similar in terrain to Kahuta.

You are however correct in asserting that Israel would like have good relations with Pakistan. You must understand that whatever Arabs think about Pakistanis, we are an emotional people and we have a natural soft spot for the people speaking the language of our holy book. Additionally, Isreal's actions over the past 50 years, where they refused to hand over the West Bank and the Golan Heights even though it was not an original part of Israel, and their policy of pre-emptive strike smacks of an arrogance which is detested by most Pakistanis.

Let me put another thing straight. Only Arab country that Pakistan really helped during war with Israel was Jordan. If US pilots can fly Israeli Skyhawks in the 1973 war with Egypt; when M-60s were virtually rolling out of C-130's straight into battle, you should not blame Pakistan helping a friend with pilots.
 
Hameed Gul is a complete moron.

He said that Pakistan should have militarily resisted USA in Afghanistan and the only thing Pakistan had to worry about were High Altitude US B-52 Bombers.

He also said that Jews caused 9/11

This man is the Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld of Pakistan

So in other words not to be taken at his word
 
Pentagon halts sale of F-14 parts By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 59 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Pentagon said Tuesday it had stopped selling surplus F-14 parts, announcing the step after congressional criticism of security weaknesses that had given buyers for countries including Iran access to the aircraft parts and other valuable gear.
Sales of parts from the recently retired fleet were halted last Friday, Defense Logistics Agency spokesman Jack Hooper said, adding that marketing of the parts will remain suspended until a "comprehensive review" is completed. He did not immediately elaborate.
The decision comes as a Democratic senator moves to cut off all Pentagon sales of surplus F-14 parts, saying the military's marketing of the spares "defies common sense" in light of their importance to Iran.Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record)'s bill came in response to an investigation by The Associated Press that found weaknesses in surplus-sale security that allowed buyers for countries including Iran and China to surreptitiously obtain sensitive U.S. military equipment including Tomcat parts.The Oregon Democrat's legislation would ban the Defense Department from selling surplus F-14 parts and prohibit buyers who have already acquired surplus Tomcat parts from exporting them. Wyden's bill, the Stop Arming Iran Act, is co-sponsored by the Senate's No. 2 lawmaker, Democratic Whip Richard Durbin (news, bio, voting record) of Illinois.The surplus sales are one of the first national security issues to be addressed by the new Democratic-controlled Congress."It just defies common sense to be making this kind of equipment available to the Iranians with all that they have done that is against our interests," Wyden said Monday in an interview,addingthatconstituents brought up the surplus-sale security problems at his town-hall meetings over the past few days. "I just want tolegislate this and cut it off permanently, once and for all."
The Tomcat is the fighter jet made famous in the 1986 Tom Cruise blockbuster movie, "Top Gun." The U.S. military retired its F-14s last fall. That leaves only Iran — which bought the fighter jet in the 1970s when it was a U.S. ally — flying the planes.
U.S. law enforcement officials believe Iran can produce only about 15 percent of the parts it needs for its Tomcats, making the Pentagon's surplus sales a valuable avenue for spares.The Pentagon had planned to sell about 60 percent of the roughly 76,000 parts for the F-14, viewing them as general nuts-and-bolts-type aircraft hardware that could be sold safely without restrictions.Some of those spares from the newly retired fleet probably have already been sold, the Defense Logistics Agency's Hooper said. The Defense Department plans to destroy about 10,000 other components it considers unique to the F-14.The agency had been reviewing 23,000 other parts it believed it could sell under existing law but wanted to examine further in light of their potential value to Iran. It will now also review the thousands of nuts-and-bolts-type hardware.Wyden said his bill would cut off the sale of all surplus F-14 parts. The legislation includes all parts to cut off all opportunities for Iranian "fishing expeditions," spokeswoman Jennifer Hoelzer said, adding that GAO investigations have found valuable surplus accidentally getting included in boxes of what are supposed to be nuts-and-bolts-type hardware.
Wyden is confident he can get the bill through the Senate in the next few months. Wyden, a senior member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, also pledged greater Senate oversight of the surplus program.Hooper declined to comment on the legislation."We're certainly not going to attempt to interfere whatsoever in the legislative process," Hooper said. The Defense Department maintains it has followed all procedures in selling its surplus.The AP reported the Pentagon's F-14 part sales plans earlier this month. Its investigation found that in several cases, buyers for countries that included Iran and China took advantage of security flaws to buy sensitive surplus, including aircraft parts and missile components.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has asked the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to investigate the surplus security weaknesses.
source:yahoo
 
Pentagon halts sale of F-14 parts By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 59 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Pentagon said Tuesday it had stopped selling surplus F-14 parts, announcing the step after congressional criticism of security weaknesses that had given buyers for countries including Iran access to the aircraft parts and other valuable gear.
Sales of parts from the recently retired fleet were halted last Friday, Defense Logistics Agency spokesman Jack Hooper said, adding that marketing of the parts will remain suspended until a "comprehensive review" is completed. He did not immediately elaborate.
The decision comes as a Democratic senator moves to cut off all Pentagon sales of surplus F-14 parts, saying the military's marketing of the spares "defies common sense" in light of their importance to Iran.Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record)'s bill came in response to an investigation by The Associated Press that found weaknesses in surplus-sale security that allowed buyers for countries including Iran and China to surreptitiously obtain sensitive U.S. military equipment including Tomcat parts.The Oregon Democrat's legislation would ban the Defense Department from selling surplus F-14 parts and prohibit buyers who have already acquired surplus Tomcat parts from exporting them. Wyden's bill, the Stop Arming Iran Act, is co-sponsored by the Senate's No. 2 lawmaker, Democratic Whip Richard Durbin (news, bio, voting record) of Illinois.The surplus sales are one of the first national security issues to be addressed by the new Democratic-controlled Congress."It just defies common sense to be making this kind of equipment available to the Iranians with all that they have done that is against our interests," Wyden said Monday in an interview,addingthatconstituents brought up the surplus-sale security problems at his town-hall meetings over the past few days. "I just want tolegislate this and cut it off permanently, once and for all."
The Tomcat is the fighter jet made famous in the 1986 Tom Cruise blockbuster movie, "Top Gun." The U.S. military retired its F-14s last fall. That leaves only Iran — which bought the fighter jet in the 1970s when it was a U.S. ally — flying the planes.
U.S. law enforcement officials believe Iran can produce only about 15 percent of the parts it needs for its Tomcats, making the Pentagon's surplus sales a valuable avenue for spares.The Pentagon had planned to sell about 60 percent of the roughly 76,000 parts for the F-14, viewing them as general nuts-and-bolts-type aircraft hardware that could be sold safely without restrictions.Some of those spares from the newly retired fleet probably have already been sold, the Defense Logistics Agency's Hooper said. The Defense Department plans to destroy about 10,000 other components it considers unique to the F-14.The agency had been reviewing 23,000 other parts it believed it could sell under existing law but wanted to examine further in light of their potential value to Iran. It will now also review the thousands of nuts-and-bolts-type hardware.Wyden said his bill would cut off the sale of all surplus F-14 parts. The legislation includes all parts to cut off all opportunities for Iranian "fishing expeditions," spokeswoman Jennifer Hoelzer said, adding that GAO investigations have found valuable surplus accidentally getting included in boxes of what are supposed to be nuts-and-bolts-type hardware.
Wyden is confident he can get the bill through the Senate in the next few months. Wyden, a senior member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, also pledged greater Senate oversight of the surplus program.Hooper declined to comment on the legislation."We're certainly not going to attempt to interfere whatsoever in the legislative process," Hooper said. The Defense Department maintains it has followed all procedures in selling its surplus.The AP reported the Pentagon's F-14 part sales plans earlier this month. Its investigation found that in several cases, buyers for countries that included Iran and China took advantage of security flaws to buy sensitive surplus, including aircraft parts and missile components.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has asked the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to investigate the surplus security weaknesses.
source:yahoo

now even after the bitter lesson of the 90's who ever have signed the letter of acceptance on the f-16 deal b/w the U.S & pakistan
should be court marshalled & hang in broad day light in public as a punishment for anti- state activities wait the reason being that our total f-16's that we expect to be delivered to pakistan from the same U.S who put sanction's on the f-16 deal of the 90's and have done it again with iran with the f-14 spares, and now coming back to pakistan again the new senate in the U.S which is a democrats strong hold have recently presented a resolution asking for the U.S govt to stop all the military & financial aid to pakistan for its support for the WOT (war on terror) or more accurately WFO which stand's for WAR FOR OIL. until it (pakistan) does not do enough to curb the taliban/alqaida movement in to Afghanistan. so point is that ( the delivery of the f-solas to pakistan as i was saying it by 2009 to 2011/2013 will we GET(?) IT??? )ok let me make it easy will we get the f-16' or not? & now yes time for the bitter pill so are we ready ladies & gentlemen here it is. Looking at the domestic political scene in the U.S the democrats have a high chance of coming to power in the next general election's to be held in 2008 and the democrats are known be to be hard on their pakistan diplomacy now looking at the domestic scene in pakistan thing are not that right for the musharraf govt so my question and that also another bitter one (but chances are their none the less) so ladies & gentlemen are we ready get set go. what if the musharraf govt is gone or removed by a not so friendly U.S or (this might not be for the weak hearted but none the less chances are their) even an ANTI-U.S govt
takes charge of pakistan in this period between
now and say 2009 to 2011 or even 2013 will the U.S still give us those f-16's no matter how good those f-16's are the point is will we get those very very good
f-16's the answer is: NO WAY so why did our generals signed the latter of acceptance in the first PLACE ?
sure they know what they are doing Yahiya knew what the heck on earth he was doing (dint he????) our knowledge Un-able generals also knew what they were doing when in 1984 they lost siechen glacier just by a poor lazy one week when the fact be told had they knew what they should had been doing they would have been there right after the jan-1-1949 cease fire agreement or the tashkent agreemant or if they would have had learned their lessons then right or at the right time after the simla agreement. isnt so? speaking logically& put it as simply as i can. but, no they were just too lazy for that(WHAT A SHAME) to say the least . So the point that i wanted to give is that as a matter of fact they did not knew at least not as much as they should have known or they were just not serious enough for troubling them self's with the detail's or are just plain & simple LAZY to say the least because many will tell me that our genius generals (the good for nothing ones) in reply, 'look they know what they are doing"... its their job they are not fool's bla bla bal goes on, & on & on. but what's the result may i ask???? so thats why I had to post these bitter pill's full of question,s with some bitter pill's of reality so that the nation can get an honest answer hopefully. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD :army: :flag:
 
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