f 16 and AGM 84

[Muhammad Omar]

su 35 have pesa not aesa which f 16 v have
rage came be extended with cft and drop tanks
can tacle mig 29 and su 30 mki with extremly potent EW and bvr
only thing f 16 lack is large payload but it still can carry 2 agm 84
and it will be doing all of this at the fraction of cost of su 35

Just wasting your time comparing Air superiority fighter su-35 with Multi role fighter F-16


even the Su-35 can be refueled which can extend it;s range further With CFT and Drop tanks the range can be increased but the missile payload would decrease which in case of Su-35 more range with more Payload

F-16 1260 NM while Su-35 1944 NM

Max Cruise Altitude

F-16 50,000 ft Su-35 55,100 ft

rate of climb su-35 > F-16

Speed
F-16 1303 kn Su-35 1458 kn

max payload capacity
F-16 15,198 lbs su-35 34,177 lbs

Fuel capacity
F-16 1072 gal Su-35 4410 gal


Radars of both f-16 and Su-35 you can check here

 

[war&peace]

There are two approaches;

1. Curtails and cap our needs, become very conservative and just think whatever we have or have been given is sufficient and ignore the developments in our surroundings and become content.
2. We expand and progress, we explore new economic vistas (e.g. CPEC), develop new ports, reduce and eliminate corruption, improve our systems. Challenge our enemies and take the bull by the horns.

If we go with the first approach F-16 is the BEST solution. But if we want to adopt the second approach, then we say F-16 was a good aircraft, but now it is time to move on and we select modern aircrafts and tell the world and especially our enemies that we take our defence seriously, because we are a dynamic nation and we want to progress. I hope it helps

 

[Hell hound]

Just wasting your time comparing Air superiority fighter su-35 with Multi role fighter F-16


even the Su-35 can be refueled which can extend it;s range further With CFT and Drop tanks the range can be increased but the missile payload would decrease which in case of Su-35 more range with more Payload

F-16 1260 NM while Su-35 1944 NM

Max Cruise Altitude

F-16 50,000 ft Su-35 55,100 ft

rate of climb su-35 > F-16

Speed
F-16 1303 kn Su-35 1458 kn

max payload capacity
F-16 15,198 lbs su-35 34,177 lbs

Fuel capacity
F-16 1072 gal Su-35 4410 gal


Radars of both f-16 and Su-35 you can check here

mate we are considering f 16 for maritime role not for air superiority role.to hit the target in most dense ECM area you need best ECCM and we all know american equipment has best EW,ECM and ECCM be it f 16 or new block harpoon and these are the things which matter most in maritime role not the flight ceiling, turn radius or rate of climb.
regarding radar f 16 can be upgraded with aesa and it is as much possible as getting su 35.

 

[chocolatelyhero]

Our forces has trust that they can beat anything in the air with F-16 including F22 Raptor, F35 Lighting II, SU-35, SU-30......

No matter what ever comes in your brain. They can beat it with F-16s and in the future with JF-17 block 3

You guys have no idea what a beast JF-17 block 3 would be.....

 

[aliyusuf]

Just wasting your time comparing Air superiority fighter su-35 with Multi role fighter F-16


even the Su-35 can be refueled which can extend it;s range further With CFT and Drop tanks the range can be increased but the missile payload would decrease which in case of Su-35 more range with more Payload

F-16 1260 NM while Su-35 1944 NM

Max Cruise Altitude

F-16 50,000 ft Su-35 55,100 ft

rate of climb su-35 > F-16

Speed
F-16 1303 kn Su-35 1458 kn

max payload capacity
F-16 15,198 lbs su-35 34,177 lbs

Fuel capacity
F-16 1072 gal Su-35 4410 gal


Radars of both f-16 and Su-35 you can check here

Sir, may I enquire the source of the above comparison table?

The APG-68(V)9 first appeared on the Block-50/52+ or also known as the Advanced Block-50/52. The Block-50/52+ first went into production in 2001-2002.

Later as a further upgrade some of the existing Block-50/52 of USAF were upgraded with this radar.

I know for a fact that the APG-68(V)5 came in 1991 with the Block-50/52 (not to be confused with the Block-50/52+).

The APG-66(V)2/3 came in post 1996-97.

The APG-68(V)9 came in after that and the subsequent APG-68(V)7/8 upgrades for the Block-50/52.

In the above table the date of 1994 seems dubious. Also the range stated does not seem to be correct. That is the range of the APG-68(V)7 as per my knowledge (which is limited I admit).

But I am willing to be convinced and correct myself if I am wrong.

Thanks.

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should have SU-35 two to three squadrons but not for Navy or supporting Navy they should be used to defend our Air Space and attack Indian cities as for Navy either they should have JF-17 BLOCK III two squadrons of jet which they like to choose

 

[Hell hound]

Our forces has trust that they can beat anything in the air with F-16 including F22 Raptor, F35 Lighting II, SU-35, SU-30......

No matter what ever comes in your brain. They can beat it with F-16s and in the future with JF-17 block 3

You guys have no idea what a beast JF-17 block 3 would be.....

f 16 can beat and can be beaten by any 4 gen fighter but 5 gen is a totally different ball game.
what makes you think that f 16 is not potent it is one of the best multirole available in world and all i am saying is it has anti ship capability why not use it.

 

[araz]

Our forces has trust that they can beat anything in the air with F-16 including F22 Raptor, F35 Lighting II, SU-35, SU-30......

No matter what ever comes in your brain. They can beat it with F-16s and in the future with JF-17 block 3

You guys have no idea what a beast JF-17 block 3 would be.....

I think options have to be discussed and as such an approach of "whatever, we are the best" no longer is true. As to Bl. 3 JFT, I dare say that if you think it is going to be a beast then you will be sadly disappointed. The problem is the pace of Chinese progress, the cost of the incorporation of newer technologies, engine technology and developments and their utility. When you have to replace 100 jets with Bl. 3 you will get nowhere if the Bl. 3 is worth 60-70 million a pop to you. Which means cost considerations may well prevail over technological gains. I think you may well find that there are very few if any changes to air frame and all changes will be on the inside.
My 2 paisas worth
A

 

[Humble Analyst]

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for past few months there have been many reports of Pakistan interest in su 35 for its anti ship role and many pdf members here are also supporting the purchase but i am unable to understand that why are we procuring and totally new jet and not using f 16 with harpoons for anti ship role. we know this platform inside out have spares and supply chain for it and we also have harpoons in our inventory. instead of purchasing new block harpoons and f 16 why are we going for Russian jet which will be extremely expensive considering support infrastructure and training cost of new jet.
if your argument is range then new block 52 with cft and drop tanks can provide enough range.
@Windjammer @Oscar @MastanKhan @Indus Falcon @gambit pls kindly enlighten us with your views on this matter.regards

Just one key word is range, not to mention a lot of things

f 16 can beat and can be beaten by any 4 gen fighter but 5 gen is a totally different ball game.
what makes you think that f 16 is not potent it is one of the best multirole available in world and all i am saying is it has anti ship capability why not use it.

RANGE is your answer and refuelling in 30 minutes is not a viable option over Arabian Sea.

 

[Hell hound]

Just one key word is range, not to mention a lot of things


RANGE is your answer and refuelling in 30 minutes is not a viable option over Arabian Sea.

newer block f 16 can be equipped with cft(which add 900 gallons of extra fuel) drop tanks and harpoons at the same time which will provide them enough range to take over maritime role duties

 

[tarrar]

Mirage & F7 needs to replaced asap & SU35 is the right choice to replace them, as they are build for complete air superiority.

 

[Hell hound]

Mirage & F7 needs to replaced asap & SU35 is the right choice to replace them, as they are build for complete air superiority.

f16 v can do the job cheaper faster and better.

 

[Humble Analyst]

newer block f 16 can be equipped with cft(which add 900 gallons of extra fuel) drop tanks and harpoons at the same time which will provide them enough range to take over maritime role duties

Newer Block 52+ have codes too, do you want to take that chance?

 

[madmusti]

Why not F-18 ?