if ISIL is because of lack of democracy why is so many european born and raised there join ?
There are a lot more problems than just lack of democracy buddy. Corruption, poverty, education system, no economic diversity, etc....
Where I come from we have no corruption(except with Fatah), education system is one of most competitive, we have many projects/economic diversity but due to occupation/siege none of this can be implemented. Palestinian IQ is much higher than Egyptian IQ. Our literacy rate is also highest in Arab world. Instead of being jealous do something to improve your country. Electing corrupt officials won't change anything, but if you want that good for you. Just leave us alone, but no your government survives if Israel supports it so he has to harass Gaza.
Name one achievement your government made?
As for Europeans, these are some secluded people who want different life and generally are already immigrants and not naturalized citizens. Still doesn't change the fact that 95% are local Arabs who disgruntled with the governments and status quo in the region. ISIS isn't the only extremist or fed up people in the region.
palstinians are joining terror groups around the region in big numbers not just Egypt iraq and syria look at what happened in jorden lebanon kuwait other thing your hamas is a militia not an army and what hamas did to fatah members after the first and last elections is known to all
No idiot, Palestinians have nothing to do with your failed approaches. Tens of thousands of Egyptians joined ISIS in Libya, Syria and Iraq. So they can make a living not because they care about the ideology. Palestinians don't have car bombs flying into our police stations or mass shootings against our military. This is problem in the Arab world which you refuse to recognize so it will only get worse. Our government we are thankful for it because it's complete opposite of Arab governments.
Yeah, Hamas won elections, Fatah leadership refused to recognize the results. Hamas agreed to share power, Fatah kicked every Hamas legislative out of the Cabinet and began crackdown on all Hamas members and supporters with US weapons coming from Israel. Then Hamas did counter arrest operation, the corrupt Fatah officials ran away to the Israeli border. It all happened within 2 days because the people got sick of corrupt government. The Fatah activists don't share Abbas's views, Abbas has no authority only Israel protects him and gives him authority. Like your President Sisi, Abbbas is strictly in power to serve Israel's interests. If Israel's army wasn't in West Bank the Fatah fighters would overthrow him immediately. All our fighters share same goal which is to resist occupation.
so nato isreal egypt jorden uae all against you and all failed ? no comment
Yeah kiddo, don't pretend like you don't know what Jordanian, Egyptian and UAE governments have been trying to do in regards to Hamas. They are desperately trying to topple them like they toppled MB in Egypt but they can't do it. NATO gives Israel intelligence and has bombed weapons shipments going into to Gaza. You can't topple people who have popular support.
if the price is tourism i would rather see it gone that to see palstinians in my streets because i know what they would do if they are given a chance
Your arguments are very weak. Your government thinks otherwise that's why they want to open border. Palestinians would actually boost your economy but since you don't want it that's fine. Now when your tourism sector collapse don't blame us.
It's on its way to collapsing. Your dictatorial government changed anything. Sadly Egypt has bad times ahead.
Surely this is a banning offence?
You must talk with such people this way, otherwise they will step all over you. Go to Egypt and try going about in a civilized manner.
The Palestinians' Window of Opportunity Is Closing
by Bassam Tawil
December 8, 2015 at 5:00 am
The Palestinians' Window of Opportunity Is Closing
- Now the Israelis are trying to circumvent us by means of agreements with the Arab countries. They may not have much to offer the Arabs, except for advances in technology, agriculture and medicine, but now they all have a common enemy: Iran.
- Our demands are the result of the greed of our leaders, who do not want a Palestinian state alongside Israel, they want a Palestinian state instead of Israel. Recently we openly exposed our desire to destroy the Jewish state. That is why we demand Jerusalem for ourselves, insist on the right of Palestinians refugees to "return" and threaten the Jews.
- Like Hezbollah, we interpret Israel's political left as a sign of weakness and dissention. We all sense their hypocrisy, arrogance, disdain, and how they patronize us as if we were stupid. That is why the Palestinians have always respected the Israeli right: they always tell us the truth.
- The Europeans attempt to weaken Israel with territorial concessions that would make it possible for the Palestinians to fire rockets at Israel's main cities and airport from the West Bank.
- After seeing the results of their withdrawal from Gaza, the Israelis doubtless think one would have to be crazy ever to give up control of the border with Jordan.
Before Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's trip to the United States to meet President Barack Obama, administration officials there said they had given up hope of establishing a Palestinian state during the president's term of office. One could only think that if as the Palestinian project failed during the current administration, which supports the Palestinian cause, and with a secretary of state as highly motivated as John Kerry, the probability of its ever succeeding was fading away.
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu meets with U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington, on November 9, 2015. (Image source: White House video screenshot)
Just as boycotting and marking Israeli goods from the territories have led only to the mass layoff of thousands of Palestinian workers from dream jobs in the settlements, the fairy tales about a binational state will leave the Palestinians with nothing to show for our years of waiting.
Unfortunately, as time passes, Palestinian intransigence has led the Israelis to build a Zionist enterprise that cannot simply be dismissed.
In effect, regardless of what we say and think, apparently our agreement or disagreement is not a condition for the continued existence of the Jews on land they took from us. The danger is that at the rate Israel is growing, at some point there may not be that much territory left for a future Palestinian state.
The window of opportunity for change is rapidly closing. The sad truth is that the terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas and the other suicidal organizations, and by the Palestinians who stab Israeli civilians to death on the streets, are nothing more than the manifestations of our hopelessness and weakness. Worse, they serve the interests of the Israelis by fortifying their refusal to accomplish anything with us. We do not have one single individual in our leadership who has proposed a pragmatic plan that can be implemented to halt the process that is inexorably distancing us from any possible political solution with the Israelis.
As the growing wave of useless terrorism beats impotently on Israel's increasing hesitance to accommodate us, it becomes increasingly clear that our leaders will eventually come to the painful realization that the Palestinian cause is going nowhere. It is a pity that when the scales fall from our eyes, our eventual, commonsensical acceptance of the existence of the State of Israel as the homeland of the Jews will come at the expense of so much needless death and suffering.
All we have been offering the Israelis are our mistakes and our unrealistic demands. One of them consists of putting the capital of Palestine in the heart of the capital of the State of Israel. Another is the ridiculous demand for the "return" of millions of Palestinian refugees to the territory of the State of Israel -- which the Jews know would be demographic suicide for their country, and which would only be physically possible if all the Israelis suddenly vanished.
For our unrealizable demands, we look to the Europeans for support, while all they are interested in is gaining time and paying lip service to the local Islamists menacing them, while in effect, nothing is done for our cause.
Recently, out of an unjustified sense of self-confidence, we openly exposed our desire to destroy the Jewish state. That is why we demand Jerusalem for ourselves, insist on the right of the Palestinians refugees to "return" and threaten the Jews that if they do not accept our conditions we will demand the establishment of a binational state in all of Palestine.
Our demands are the result of the greed of our leaders, who do not want a Palestinian state alongside Israel, they want a Palestinian state instead of Israel. They delude themselves into thinking the West genuinely supports the Palestinian cause, hoping that by marking products made in the settlements, Israel will collapse like South Africa.
In reality, while the West does in fact hate Jews, it does not like Arabs much better. The West only supports the Palestinian cause out of the fear of another Islamist Arab Spring, carried out in their own backyards, instead of far away in the Middle East. We are betting that the West will support us against the Zionists, but even the radical Islamists know that Western support will mean a reentry of the Crusaders into our lands.
Our leaders have yet to identify the true source of Israel's strengths, and in that they have made a fatal mistake. Like Hezbollah, we interpret Israel's political left as a sign of weakness and dissention, we regard Israeli society as one long internal disagreement, and we consider Israel a paper tiger. What we do not understand is that arguing with one another and the lack of blind agreement are the foundations of Israeli democratic unity, and not signs that Israel is falling apart as we so earnestly desire.
What we have in fact identified is the sycophantic Israeli leftists, who think they can fool and cheat us with toned-down versions of the Zionist goals or seduce us with economic promises to make us suspect them less. We all sense their hypocrisy, arrogance, disdain, and how they patronize us as if we were stupid. That is why the Palestinians have always respected the Israeli right: they always tell the truth, even if it is unpleasant for us to hear.
Now the Israelis are trying to circumvent us by means of agreements with the Arab countries. They may not have much to offer the Arabs, except for advances in technology, agriculture and medicine, but now they all have a common enemy: Iran.
You can be sure that the Israelis do not delude themselves into thinking the Arabs will ever consider them as anything but a cancer in the heart of the Middle East. They rely only on their own strength and do not particularly care if we or the rest of the world agree. Paradoxically the more they strengthen and stop trying to negotiate with us, the more we shall expose our willingness to reach an agreement with them.
International oversight is out of the question. The Israelis are suspicious, and the Palestinians are greedy and respond only negatively.
Those who think Israel is immoral because it uses force do not understand that without the use of force Hamas, ISIS and Fatah would destroy it.
The European attempt to weaken Israel with territorial concessions that would make it possible for the Palestinians to fire rockets at Israel's main cities and airport from the West Bank only increases the Palestinian appetite to eradicate Israel, and makes the Israelis more intransigent.
In view of the Palestinian determination not to reach a political solution, but rather bring about Israel's demographic destruction as a binational apartheid state, it seems clear that the Israelis will continue with a reinforced reluctance to have anything to do with us. These actions on our part will simply lead Israel to make unilateral decisions, such as its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank. After seeing the results of their withdrawal from Gaza, the Israelis doubtless think they would have to be crazy ever to give up control of the border with Jordan, for fear of the massive infiltration of weapons and terrorist operatives. They may simply draw new borders around their settlement blocks, and leave the rest to the Palestinians.
Or they may simply cede, for instance, the city of Um el-Fahm, which for years has openly identified itself as Palestinian. If that happens, it is almost certain that Hamas will take over the territory. Hamas will then kill the Palestinian Authority activists or throw them off roofs, as they did in Gaza, thereby proving to the world that Israel was right to act as it did.
The suggestion that the Israelis would agree to a multinational force along its border with Jordan to prevent weapons, ISIS or other terrorists from crossing the border is a fantasy. What do international forces do when the first bullet is fired? They flee! They were incapable of preventing slaughter in Syria, in Iraq, and regrettably cannot even maintain security in their own countries.
In the end, we shall see an Israel that is stronger and even more reluctant than before to trust Palestinians, and we shall have lost our dream of a Palestinian state forever.
If Israel ups the ethnic cleansing and commits mass acts of ethnic cleansing in the coming months let me be clear we will also 'ethnically cleanse' all Jewish populations in the West. And I mean it. If your terrorists start blowing up children and trying to expel them from the West Bank we will blow up your terrorist entity everywhere it is.
