Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[StormBreaker]

Selling to qatar could be a political move more than what they need we are paying twice the rate of int'l market for their LNG

Didn’t we decide to cancel the LNG contract ?

 

[AsifIjaz]

Can u please cite ur figures.. Wht i
U said is hearsay unless proven otherwise

Selling to qatar could be a political move more than what they need we are paying twice the rate of int'l market for their LNG

 

[StormBreaker]

AESA Equipped Pakistani JF-17 Fighters Coming to Israel’s Border? Egyptian Air Force Shows Interest in Large Purchase

he Egyptian Air Force has reportedly shown considerable interest in acquiring an advanced variant of the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder single engine light fighter to replace its large fleet of ageing second generation fighters. Egypt’s Air Force is currently among the largest in the world, but the country relies heavily on ageing variants of the Soviet MiG-21 and French Mirage 2000 - of which several hundred are currently in service. The country also fields a single squadron of Chinese J-7 fighters, acquired in the 1970s, and Vietnam War era U.S. manufactured F-4 Phantoms. These aircraft are all prized for their reliability and low operational costs, and give the Egyptian fleet a considerable numeric advantage over all potential adversaries, but have not been adequately modernised with up to date sensors, avionics or electronic warfare systems. These legacy aircraft also lack the ability to operate modern munitions - and in air to air combat are restricted to shore range engagements.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...S3_t1h-eh5Lx_THdfYd2k-qfVGjLZ7gdU51-Rs91xLSy0

@airomerix How likely do you *THINK* NOT *KNOW* about PAF’s interest in selling it to Egypt ?

I don’t ask for any credible info you have, just tell me what you THINK PAF would do when Israel is on the border and given Egypt’s poorly trained pilots ? And the fact that Turkey is Egypt’s arch rival ?

 

[MastanKhan]

AESA Equipped Pakistani JF-17 Fighters Coming to Israel’s Border? Egyptian Air Force Shows Interest in Large Purchase

he Egyptian Air Force has reportedly shown considerable interest in acquiring an advanced variant of the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder single engine light fighter to replace its large fleet of ageing second generation fighters. Egypt’s Air Force is currently among the largest in the world, but the country relies heavily on ageing variants of the Soviet MiG-21 and French Mirage 2000 - of which several hundred are currently in service. The country also fields a single squadron of Chinese J-7 fighters, acquired in the 1970s, and Vietnam War era U.S. manufactured F-4 Phantoms. These aircraft are all prized for their reliability and low operational costs, and give the Egyptian fleet a considerable numeric advantage over all potential adversaries, but have not been adequately modernised with up to date sensors, avionics or electronic warfare systems. These legacy aircraft also lack the ability to operate modern munitions - and in air to air combat are restricted to shore range engagements.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...S3_t1h-eh5Lx_THdfYd2k-qfVGjLZ7gdU51-Rs91xLSy0

Hi,

Thank you for the post / link---. The writer has pre-empted the future purchase by egypt---.

There is an old saying---you build a good affordable product and they will come buying---.

For egypt---it would be an easy deal---saudia will pay for the aircraft---pakistan and egypt and china will build them and Egypt would use them---happy happy happy---.

I would say that it would be an amazing feel for an egytian pilot for not worrying about how close he has to get to an enemy before launching that old sparrow missile---. Just to have the ability to lock and launch a bvr missile at will and without fear from equal distances at the enemy---that is a massive confidence booster---.

And what comes with confidence---better performance---and better performance gives better results---.

 

[pkd]

Hi,

Thank you for the post / link---. The writer has pre-empted the future purchase by egypt---.

There is an old saying---you build a good affordable product and they will come buying---.

For egypt---it would be an easy deal---saudia will pay for the aircraft---pakistan and egypt and china will build them and Egypt would use them---happy happy happy---.

I would say that it would be an amazing feel for an egytian pilot for not worrying about how close he has to get to an enemy before launching that old sparrow missile---. Just to have the ability to lock and launch a bvr missile at will and without fear from equal distances at the enemy---that is a massive confidence booster---.

And what comes with confidence---better performance---and better performance gives better results---.

And that we also have to return them some favors with some degree of interest when they have been endlessly supplying Hand over fist to our good old neighbor..... gives us some bargaining chips of our own

 

[StormBreaker]

And that we have also have to return to them with some degree of interest when they have been endlessly supplying Hand over fist to our good old neighbor..... gives us some bargaining chips of our own

Btw, what happened in the IAF chef visit to egypt?

 

[pkd]

Btw, what happened in the IAF chef visit to egypt?

Importance of visit could be two fold:-
1. They have Rafales
2. They are interested in JF-17 Block-III
If they go ahead with the purchase of JF-17s, what more good of an opportunity could be than bench-marking JFs against the Rafales prior to the purchase

 

[StormBreaker]

Importance of visit could be two fold:-
1. They have Rafales
2. They are interested in JF-17 Block-III
If they go ahead with the purchase of JF-17s, what more good of an opportunity could be than bench-marking JFs against the Rafales prior to the sale

IAF wants to build up the relations with Egypt eventually to arrange some exercise if they procure Thunders.

Don’t know how this visit relates with the Mirages Egypt was selling to PAF

 

[PakFactor]

IAF wants to build up the relations with Egypt eventually to arrange some exercise if they procure Thunders.

Don’t know how this visit relates with the Mirages Egypt was selling to PAF

I wouldn’t trust Egyptians with any weapons we sell, could easily fall into enemy hands.

Remember like Syrian Air Force of the past their pilots betrayed and landed in Israel with latest Russian planes only to fall into US hands.

 

[khanasifm]

Nigerian order is 3 or 8 ? What is the source of 8

I had read 3 is initial order and later they will add more but was not aware it’s already beefed up ???

 

[khanasifm]

NAF HOLDS 2019 THIRD QUARTER CAS CONFERENCE, RECORDS SEVERAL ACHIEVEMENTS IN 3 MONTHS

The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) yesterday, 21 October 2019, commenced its Third Quarter Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) Conference at the Headquarters NAF (HQ NAF) Abuja. During the Conference, the CAS, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, highlighted several achievements recorded by the Service over the last 3 months, which had enhanced it's ability to better serve Nigerians. Some of the achievements, he noted, include the sustained air onslaught against terrorists, insurgents and other criminal elements; winging of 13 additional young pilots, including the first NAF female fighter and helicopter pilots; sustenance of high serviceability rate of flyable NAF aircraft; reactivation of NAF C-130H aircraft (NAF 917) and EC-135 helicopter as well as fabrication of hydraulic diaphragm for the L-39ZA aircraft amongst other NAF Research and Development (R & D) breakthroughs.

The CAS reiterated that the objective of holding such Conferences was to critically evaluate the performance of the Service in the past quarter in order to identify areas where successes had been recorded whilst also noting areas that require improvement. On acquisition of aircraft, he revealed that the NAF would take delivery of 2 additional attack helicopters from Italy before the end of the year, while also noting that the Super Tucano contract with the United States Government was progressing as expected, with necessary infrastructure for the security and maintenance of the aircraft steadily being emplaced at the designated NAF Base.

Air Marshal Abubakar added that the process for the acquisition of the NAF JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter aircraft from Pakistan was also progressing steadily, as assured by the Pakistan Air Force CAS, who had visited Nigeria the week before.

On reactivation of aircraft, the CAS noted that the NAF had commenced the in-country maintenance of an Mi-35P helicopter gunship at its Base in Port Harcourt, while the Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) of another C-130H aircraft (NAF 913) was also progressing on schedule for completion in February 2020.

According to the CAS, the NAF’s R & D posture of looking inwards to source for and fabricate some aircraft spares within the Country in order to save foreign exchange was yielding positive results. He noted that the Service was partnering with Ibeto Nigeria Limited in Nnewi to produce aircraft batteries while also working with another Nigerian Company in Ibadan to produce hydraulic diaphragms for the NAF L-39ZA trainer aircraft. He also highlighted that the Service had continued to focus on improving the welfare of personnel, being the most critical factor to the success of its operations. In that regard, the CAS stated that the Service was in the process of recruiting doctors, nurses and other medical professionals as Direct Short Service and Direct Regular Commission officers, to boost the quality of healthcare services provided to personnel and their families at the various NAF Hospitals. Air Marshal Abubakar emphasized that the NAF would continue to strategize to evolve innovative ways to enhance its ability to more effectively and efficiently employ Air Power in response to Nigeria's national security imperatives.

The CAS Conference is a quarterly meeting of Branch Chiefs, Air Officers Commanding (AOC) from the 6 NAF Commands, Commandants, Directors, Unit Commanders and Air Vice Marshals in Abuja, which is aimed at appraising achievements, challenges and projections across NAF Commands and Units in order to ensure enhanced operational effectiveness and efficiency. It equally provides an avenue to obtain feedback from various field commanders while also keeping them abreast of HQ NAF’s policy direction in the months ahead.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force

 

[Code_Geass]

Can u please cite ur figures.. Wht i
U said is hearsay unless proven otherwise

Spot prices in Pakistan



In Pakistan, October LNG spot prices – based on last three month’s average Brent crude oil prices and the multiplier of 8.391% as opposed to Qatar’s 13.37% – were $5.2 per mmbtu as compared to Qatar’s contract price of $8.2837, which makes Qatar LNG prices 61% higher than the current spot prices.

The weighted average cost of LNG is $7.78. This average will go down as more and more spot buying is done to reduce the share of Qatar LNG. This will happen with the increase in demand.

Prevailing spot prices in India are even lower at almost 50% of Qatar-India LNG contract prices. Qatar’s long-term prices are becoming extremely unaffordable, both in India and Pakistan.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Spot prices in Pakistan



In Pakistan, October LNG spot prices – based on last three month’s average Brent crude oil prices and the multiplier of 8.391% as opposed to Qatar’s 13.37% – were $5.2 per mmbtu as compared to Qatar’s contract price of $8.2837, which makes Qatar LNG prices 61% higher than the current spot prices.

The weighted average cost of LNG is $7.78. This average will go down as more and more spot buying is done to reduce the share of Qatar LNG. This will happen with the increase in demand.

Prevailing spot prices in India are even lower at almost 50% of Qatar-India LNG contract prices. Qatar’s long-term prices are becoming extremely unaffordable, both in India and Pakistan.

oh come on.... thats not the way things work. Read the long term contract prices of india, japan, china, korea etc...
look at the time the contract was signed and the forecast at that point in time regarding the future growth and demand prospects and then either write your post sagain specifying its your personal opinion or cite a reference that you may find.
the above analysis is flawed, prone to international fluctuations and demand and supply curves.thus not reliable

Anyways, in order to not get thread banned, if you still have questions then lets discuss it on the LNG thread. let this be a thunder specific thread

 

[GriffinsRule]

I still think Malaysia will buy ex-Kuwaiti F-18s and Qatar has no need for a light weight fighter

The latest issue of Combat Aircraft has an article on Malaysian Air Force. Here's a section that pertains to their future roadmap. I think the additional F/A-18 planes will happen for sure, probably to replace the Mig-29s? The question then become, how will they fulfill the three squadrons of LCA, that must also include LIFT duties (misspelled in the article I think).
JF-17 might be in play here but will face stiff competition from FA-50. The Brits already offered them new Hawks and to upgrade their Hawk 208s but unlikely they will go this route. So perhaps there is a small chance for the JF-17 with its two-seater variant here. Fingers crossed.

 

[airomerix]

@airomerix How likely do you *THINK* NOT *KNOW* about PAF’s interest in selling it to Egypt ?

I don’t ask for any credible info you have, just tell me what you THINK PAF would do when Israel is on the border and given Egypt’s poorly trained pilots ? And the fact that Turkey is Egypt’s arch rival ?

The realistic assessment entails that Israel and Egypt are not going to war anytime soon. Unless a very critical event takes place (like the killing of Qud's commander).

Hence selling JF-17s to Egypt poses no immediate threat when it comes to the compromise of technology. What PAC needs right now is 'numbers'. PAC is now producing last planned block of JF-17. If we do not get export orders then we will have to close down AMF until Project AZM reaches production stage or either Block 4 becomes reality.

Furthermore, Mirage Rebuild Factory will be nearing its end soon with no Mirages to rebuild. Hence what PAC needs right now is meat to sustain itself. And it will Inshallah.