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https://www.thequint.com/world/2016...r-parrikar-ashton-carter-indo-us-defence-ties

On Monday, US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar are likely to hold a bilateral meeting followed by a joint press conference at the Pentagon. Weeks after India was designated as a major defence partner by the US, one of the key likely developments expected from this meeting is the signing of the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA).

LEMOA is a reworded version of the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), an agreement that allows US and its allies to avail logistics support facilities like fuel, spare parts and storage of the other party.

The experts seem divided on the repercussion of such an agreement.



Signing of the LEMOA “will be the equivalent of two porcupines who want to be friendly – exchanging a quill at a time”, writes Defence Analyst C Uday Bhaskar.

It is an India-specific agreement. I do think it will be in India’s interest in the long term in terms of being able to obtain fuel and logistics at short notice. At a time when India needs to maintain its presence in the region, this is a useful traction for India.

Bhaskar also underlined that the agreement, when it comes into force, is unlikely to be binding in nature and India will always have the right to refuse assistance.


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Indian Navy flotilla of Western Fleet escort INS Vikramaditya (R33) and INS Viraat (R22) in the Arabian Sea. (Photo: Indian Navy)
Mincing no words, Strategic Affairs expert Bharat Karnad feels that PM Modi has “lost what little strategic sense he may have started out with.”

According to Karnad, LEMOA has “potentially very negative strategic impact” and “India is set to lose its sovereign decision-making status and strategic independence”

Karnad feels:

  • LEMOA will still mark India as a secondary power and American camp follower.
  • The “social turmoil” of stationing US troops - termed a usually rambunctious lot by Karnad - in Indian cities.
  • A scenario wherein India may be involved in US actions against China or Russia or their proxies in Asia will be a disaster.

Indian and US army soldiers take part in a joint military exercise in Kumbhirgram in Mizoram, 6 April 2004. (Photo: Reuters)
Former Army Chief VP Malik feels LEMOA is a “useful agreement as long as we are not seen to be supporting Americans fighting somewhere else.”

Addressing the issue with a cautionary note head of Cyber Initiative at the Observer Research Foundation, Arun Mohan Sukumar writes:

Foundational as LEMOA may be, the NDA can only sell it at home if it charts New Delhi’s own role in the Indian Ocean region for the next five to ten years. It is one thing for India to leverage the agreements to aid its role as a “net security provider” and another to be drawn into US-China rivalry in the region.

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Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter during a visit to Naval Base Karwar, Karnataka on Monday. (Photo: PTI)
IDSA’s Saroj Bishoyi writes,

The agreement will help Indian armed forces to develop their capabilities, play better humanitarian assistance and relief operations, and to operate beyond the South Asian region in safeguarding its vital national interests.

Noting that a possible Republican win in the US elections will hurt US-India ties, DrRupakjyoti Borah, Research Fellow with Japan Forum for Strategic Studies, writesthat “it makes perfect sense for New Delhi to make hay while the sun shines.”

When all is said and done, while it would be incorrect to dub India as a US ally now, it seems that there is a sufficient groundswell of public opinion and political capital in the country to favour a revamp of its ties with the world’s sole superpower.
 
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It will have its Merits and Demerits as well.

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.
 
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It will have its Merits and Demerits as well.

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.

This is America is doing with pakistan by providing aid while your dictators like Ayub, Yahiya, Zia and Musharraf all licked american shoes.


You said same during India-US nuclear deal but see, we have only gained from it AND LOST NOTHING. Grapes are sour.
 
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It says USA and it allies could use India as a base for logistic support?

I thought it was only meant to be USA
 
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I see otherwise, siding with US will put pressure on china to normalize the relation with us... Indo -US agreement would provide India a edge to punch above their weight in SCS with full US backing in a case if china chose to escalate the tensions in IOR region....
On top of that our pussyfooting attitude has actually blurred our strategic vision, better add biting teeth & bring all the gesture in diplomacy where our rivals can take us seriously....
 
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It says USA and it allies could use India as a base for logistic support?

I thought it was only meant to be USA
Nope it does mean that we can intermingle with other NATO partner countries of choosing, that is why it's customized for us. Whichever NATO countries are cleared by India, can use the Indian based for support during peace time. Same way India can also access those countries NATO bases as well. I believe it goes like that. Just my personal opinion. If true it can leave far reaching impact on Indian defence forces.
 
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Nope it does mean that we can intermingle with other NATO partner countries of choosing, that is why it's customized for us. Whichever NATO countries are cleared by India, can use the Indian based for support during peace time. Same way India can also access those countries NATO bases as well. I believe it goes like that. Just my personal opinion. If true it can leave far reaching impact on Indian defence forces.

It works on Reciprocal basis. So if IN uses Japanese base, Japan gets to use our base.
 
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It will have its Merits and Demerits as well.

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.

You are wrong in some points .

In Merits .
First point is a BS .Because Indian Forces are already strong and they dont need anyone's support .
Two and three are right .

In Demerits .
Except that point no 2 all others are just BS .
But Russia also knows our strategic issues and also needs our defense markets .
 
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You are wrong in some points .

In Merits .
First point is a BS .Because Indian Forces are already strong and they dont need anyone's support .
Two and three are right .

In Demerits .
Except that point no 2 all others are just BS .
But Russia also knows our strategic issues and also needs our defense markets .

Probably kid is right in Merits and thru some changes in Demerits

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.(not lost completely influenced)
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.(Definately Russia will not like this)
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.(Its a side effect but Japan ,Korea was different case)
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.(Spot On ,India will be centre of fishing by CIA and there work will not only against China /Russia /Pakistan but there work will also include India as well)

@Cornered Tiger :tup:
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/expert-speak-is-lemoa-modi’s-strategic-blunder-or-master-stroke.446341/#ixzz4Idbfg837
 
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Probably kid is right in Merits and thru some changes in Demerits

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.(not lost completely influenced)
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.(Definately Russia will not like this)
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.(Its a side effect but Japan ,Korea was different case)
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.(Spot On ,India will be centre of fishing by CIA and there work will not only against China /Russia /Pakistan but there work will also include India as well)

@Cornered Tiger :tup:
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/expert-speak-is-lemoa-modi’s-strategic-blunder-or-master-stroke.446341/#ixzz4Idbfg837

Still you dont get it .Right ?

Indian Forces are already 4 th largest and we are not going to intercontinental wars .So there is nothing additional from
US presence .


This is not Pakistan ,Japan or SK my friend .
RSS , a nationalist organisation is not US friendly .
Then we have Communist Govt and followers in our nation .CPM ,CPI ,RSP,Janata Dal etc .

Most of them have good influence .
So you are wrong my friend .
 
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  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.

Sure India would feel but not become one. India would live in false sense of security which dangerous than having insecurity.

  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.

India does not require it. India's main concern is IOR not SCS.


  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.

True but is this the only avenue?
 
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Probably kid is right in Merits and thru some changes in Demerits

Merits:-
  • Indian Armed Forces will feel stronger under American Umbrella.
  • The strategic reach of Indian Armed Forces will be extended.
  • India would easily acquire western defense equipment.
Demerits:-
  • India will lost some of its decision making powers.(not lost completely influenced)
  • India will be felt as American ally or partner, It will have negative impact Indian-Russian relation. Russia will surely mind this.(Definately Russia will not like this)
  • Rape rate in India will increase, because we know Americans from Japanese camps, where they were withdrawn, when they raped a girl. This is a habbit of American Soldiers when they are posted in populated areas, and we know the huge Indian population around Indian camps & bases.(Its a side effect but Japan ,Korea was different case)
  • Increased number of CIA officials, and increased CIA activities, phone tapping, night ridings, etc. CIA is always a back-sniping snake.(Spot On ,India will be centre of fishing by CIA and there work will not only against China /Russia /Pakistan but there work will also include India as well)

@Cornered Tiger :tup:
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/expert-speak-is-lemoa-modi’s-strategic-blunder-or-master-stroke.446341/#ixzz4Idbfg837
What Expert Strategic Preview @Joe Shearer Here Another Gem of Our Neighbours Intellectual Capabilities
 
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Still you dont get it .Right ?

Indian Forces are already 4 th largest and we are not going to intercontinental wars .So there is nothing additional from
US presence .
I beg to differ currently India has 4th largest but quality wise its way below to US/Russia/China and other powers ,this support agreement leads to protection by US umbrella in case things went out of hand

This is not Pakistan
THere are no rape cases against US like Japan/Korea neither US soldiers are present in same numbers or with objectives
RSS , a nationalist organisation is not US friendly .
but stance is against Pakistan so they can do any thing to take care of Pakistan e.g recent statments from US regarding Pakistan centric talks .
Then we have Communist Govt and followers in our nation .CPM ,CPI ,RSP,Janata Dal etc .
Cant comment on these
 
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