Experiment of BABUR II (Super Sonic) Cruise Missile is expected Next Month

[SBD-3]

Cruise missiles are never made to compete against each other,its made to compete against the anti defense shield,and frankly Babur is nothing new for us,their are a lot of Missiles which exist in he subsonic category,though I consider it is a good missile.

Tarrain mapping is advantageous in a way that it does works effectively in two ways.....1) Heat signature is cloaked with surface heat so it is very hard to distinguish between the difference of heat emitted from missile and ground of a terrain hugging missile than a high flying missile where the temperature difference is much more pronounced than ground ....2) Advantage of Ground clutter for radar detection avoidance, the radar has to make two things sure before it detects the presence of terrain hugging missile a) Its potential presence in a specific area b) removal of ground clutter for detection...that's why I am a fan of terrain huggers than high flying supersonic missiles, now even good SAMs can generate Mach 3 and maneuverability sacrifice due to higher speed makes it much easier for SAM to score a hit. Of course one can also take down a terrain hugging missile, but its detection is more painful than a high flying one albeit at supersonic speed

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan is trying to prove that next version of cruise missile bubur will be powered by american GPS navigation system .... ...

Many weapons systems of different countries use GPS as targetting system...dont you know that????, this service is used for stationary precision targeting and is extremely cost effective...US however, has now switched to GPS 3.0

 

[desiman]

What nonsense... we lost territory due to Gandhi, other wise Pakistan would have been much bigger in geography.

Demarcation of boundaries was the sole reason of millions of dead Muslims, and Gandhi negotiated this demarcation through backdoor..... (i wan't call it diplomacy)

How can we forget our elders brutally killed due to the demarcation of boundaries??????? and their architects?

Go open the history and learn before you open your mouth on international forum.

I have no plans to debate with you when you clearly dont know what your talking about. You are not the only one who lost elders, dont talk about things which you have no idea about.

 

[JonAsad]

What nonsense... we lost territory due to Gandhi, other wise Pakistan would have been much bigger in geography.

Demarcation of boundaries was the sole reason of millions of dead Muslims, and Gandhi negotiated this demarcation through backdoor..... (i wan't call it diplomacy)

How can we forget our elders brutally killed due to the demarcation of boundaries??????? and their architects?

Go open the history and learn before you open your mouth on international forum.

The Gandhi he is asking us to respect- is mostly hated even in his own country-
Well the respect for his teachings will remain, so does the fact now a days no one follows his teachings-

 

[aladin123]

Tarrain mapping is advantageous in a way that it does works effectively in two ways.....1) Heat signature is cloaked with surface heat so it is very hard to distinguish between the difference of heat emitted from missile and ground of a terrain hugging missile than a high flying missile where the temperature difference is much more pronounced than ground ....2) Advantage of Ground clutter for radar detection avoidance, the radar has to make two things sure before it detects the presence of terrain hugging missile a) Its potential presence in a specific area b) removal of ground clutter for detection...that's why I am a fan of terrain huggers than high flying supersonic missiles, now even good SAMs can generate Mach 3 and maneuverability sacrifice due to higher speed makes it much easier for SAM to score a hit. Of course one can also take down a terrain hugging missile, but its detection is more painful than a high flying one albeit at supersonic speed

Tarrian mapping is nothing but observing over which it is running whether it is running over mountains or ocean and it also measure the height at which it is flying from mountain or seas etc. Certainly it will not serve the purpose of sections 1) and 2) as you mentioned.

important point :: cruise missiles use jet-engine not rocket engine

1) Jet-engine usually ejects low heat with compare to rocket engine.Modern jet-engines eject almost low heat signature. Today both india and china struggling with their own jet-engines. Bramhose use a russian made engine.But still the infrared/heat signature emitted by jet-engines of cruise missiles so much that you can easily detect that missile with an advanced infrared detector.

2)Until you design a missile stealthy .... it will always reflect high rader signature ... which will be easily detected by ground base large raders.

 

[aladin123]

Many weapons systems of different countries use GPS as targetting system...dont you know that????, this service is used for stationary precision targeting and is extremely cost effective...US however, has now switched to GPS 3.0

no ... what you are saying is entirely wrong ... it should be one type of GNNS or RNNS system. One of this system is GPS .. read post no #9 and #27 for better explanation ... GPS is for USA and it's allies.

post no #9 and #27 also clear you why only three countries USA, China and Russia have ICBM while rest of the countries having developed space organizations don't have ICBM ... because lack of guidance system.

 

[SBD-3]

Tarrian mapping is nothing but observing over which it is running whether it is running over mountains or ocean and it also measure the height at which it is flying from mountain or seas etc. Certainly it will not serve the purpose of sections 1) and 2) as you mentioned.

important point :: cruise missiles use jet-engine not rocket engine
1) Jet-engine usually ejects low heat with compare to jet engine.Modern jet-engines eject almost low heat signature. Today both india and china struggling with their own jet-engines. Bramhose use a russian made engine.But still the infrared/heat signature emitted by jet-engines of cruise missiles so much that you can easily detect that missile with an advanced infrared detector.
2)Until you design a missile stealthy .... it will always reflect high rader signature ... which will be easily detected by ground base large raders.

1- I sniff you have "wikipediaed"....I had somebody raising the same thing before. The definition wikipedia is that of terrain following radar, terrain hugging is a technique where a missile maintains a very low flight using a trrain following radar or techniques. The end result is a very low flight and hard detection.
2- As you pointed out the even high flying cruise missile have reduced signature...then it effectively means that when one has difficulty in recording a signature at higher altitude, it would be impossible (taking your view) to detect the signature of low flying cruise missile since the ground heat emission disturbs the heat targeting even when turbofan engines are used...
and secondly the RCS of cruise missiles is already far less low as compared to fighters, add ground clutter and maneuverability it forms a deadly combination with element of surprise...Stealthy, well you can always reduce the RCS to as low as possible, but performance parameters may be significantly affected....anyways where did you get

but observing over which it is running whether it is running over mountains or ocean and it also measure the height at which it is flying from mountain or seas etc

from?.......i am amazed how the author has confused effectively auto leveling with Tarrain mapping...would love to know the source...thanks

 

[SBD-3]

no ... what you are saying is entirely wrong ... it should be one type of GNNS or RNNS system. One of this system is GPS .. read post no #9 and #27 for better explanation ... GPS is for USA and it's allies.

post no #9 and #27 also clear you why only three countries USA, China and Russia have ICBM while rest of the countries having developed space organizations don't have ICBM ... because lack of guidance system.

Pakistan has long been a user of GPS....now we can also expect use of Chinese GPS Beidou as the chinese precision munitions make their way in Pakistan.However, even after reading the two posts,I am not able to understand on what basis are you substantiating your claim? are you implying that Pakistani missiles dont have GPS guidance???

 

[SEAL]

I hope this news is true.

 

[Leader]

Experiment of BABUR II (Super Sonic) Cruise Missile is expected Next Month


LOVELY !!!

 

[aladin123]

coming back from attaining an important call ....

1- I sniff you have "wikipediaed"....I had somebody raising the same thing before. The definition wikipedia is that of terrain following radar,

Meaning of Terrian Maping is that measuring geographic field area ...
All the aeroplane measure it's height from ground using a small radar called "distance measuring equipment" or DME.
therefore if you want to measure your distance from ground then you have to observe earth surface using this radar ....
this is a basic thing and for it you don't have to search on google ....

terrain hugging is a technique where a missile maintains a very low flight using a trrain following radar or techniques. The end result is a very low flight and hard detection.

Certainly if you maintain a terrian hugging technique or fly your missile as much as near to ground then you will have to cover less distance so you will get low flight and can reach your target much quicker.

hard detection :: you can see a kite flying over the sky but you can not see a object just at 3 meter height from the ground under the foot of the kite.

2- As you pointed out the even high flying cruise missile have reduced signature...then it effectively means that when one has difficulty in recording a signature at higher altitude, it would be impossible (taking your view) to detect the signature of low flying cruise missile since the ground heat emission disturbs the heat targeting even when turbofan engines are used...

low altitude flying cruise missile with advance engine can skip infrared detection .. true.. but jet engine always provide much less speed like plane ..... do you think babur posses so advanced engine?

and secondly the RCS of cruise missiles is already far less low as compared to fighters, add ground clutter and maneuverability it forms a deadly combination with element of surprise...Stealthy, well you can always reduce the RCS to as low as possible, but performance parameters may be significantly affected....anyways where did you get

second missiles posses lower RCS than planes but as this non-stealthy,less speedy (speed like plane) missile will fly with low altitude can never skip radar although it will remain "hard detection" ... but once it is detected it will be destroyed immediately by a supersonic or hypersonic anti missile and it's low altitude will always provide the anti-missiles a great advantage because those anti-missiles have to cover less distance ... so it can be destroyed quickly(it may avoid infrared but must not avoid radar)

from?.......i am amazed how the author has confused effectively auto leveling with Tarrain mapping...would love to know the source...thanks

I already explained ....

babur is a junk .... if you actually need missiles against india then build big missile which take the huge trajectory like "peacekeeper"

Good night

 

[aladin123]

Pakistan has long been a user of GPS....now we can also expect use of Chinese GPS Beidou as the chinese precision munitions make their way in Pakistan.However, even after reading the two posts,I am not able to understand on what basis are you substantiating your claim? are you implying that Pakistani missiles dont have GPS guidance???

GPS ::: American made large scale "global satellight navigation system" .It is very popular.It ranges from mobile phone, google map,car to ship,aeroplane for getting and setting location.American missiles, planes, helicopters etc military equipment based on GPS.

Baidu ::: same like GPS but limited on asia used mainly for military purpose.

but today "global satellight navigation system" is synonymous to GPS and GPS has no competitor till now.

Did you remember USA embargo after 1998 nuclear explosion ?
American GPS is used by everyone for civilian purpose but there are few who can use it for military purpose ..... Beidou must be there in babur .... it will provide similar guidance system like GPS... although pakistan already launched it's first sattelight ... but Pakistan has to go a long way to build it's own navigation system.

 

[Imran Khan]

i just looking at kiddish behavior of our next door many members have no respect and more are losing respect by there post day by day.

can't you guys tolerate that pakistan have and will be nuclear and missile state? babur 2-3-4-5 will come time to time its not over here you all know it but heat from inside burn you guys .

 

[MadDog]

@ Aladin123

If according to you Chinese give Pakistan all the missiles, then from where did Pakistan made Ra'ad (Thunder) Air launched cruise missile, look at its test flight. Chinese don't have a single missile like this in their inventory

You need to learn to live with the fact that despite being less in terms of population, your smaller next door neighbor has diverse and better quality missiles than you posses.

 

[Cheetah786]

Failure is the pillar of success ..... india's continuous failure and struggle prove that it is continuously trying to build it's own weapons .... it is not renaming some old Chinese missile .... can you believe a country without any scientific base like space has developed long range missile like shaheen, babur(although all are nothing but old JUNKS) within 7 years??? If your chinese uncle feel disappointed then you will go back to stone age of missile development ....

To counter the Chinese Americans extend there help so Indian Missiles can actually take off the ground Imagine there surprise whole world helping and the bloody things still fall a part before launch so in Reality you can say Thank you china.

Oh and don't worry about our missiles it will be over before you can say what the (Boom) till then Live in fear buha ha ha ha ha