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Former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (r) Kaleem Saadat on Thursday proposed expansion of strategic cooperation with China for meeting country’s defense requirements in view of India’s ongoing military modernization. He was speaking at seminar organized by Strategic Vision Institute (SVI) on ‘India’s Military Modernization and Counter-Force Temptations: Impact on Regional Security’.
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ACM Sadaat, who now heads Center for Aerospace and Security Studies (CASS), said it was important to make China commit strategically more to Pakistan’s security alongside China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). While proposing an offensive approach as the best guarantee for maintaining deterrence against India, he said Pakistan would, in view of geo-political environment, have to depend on China for acquisition of platforms and weapon systems. He noted that the two key issues in this regard would be the availability of finances for the military purchases from China and Beijing’s readiness to provide leading technology.

The former air chief also called for developing electronic countermeasure capability to counter India’s S400 systems, acquired from Russia, and focusing on cyber warfare. The cyber warfare capability, he emphasized, would have to be developed indigenously.


Former Secretary Defense Production Lt Gen (r) Syed Muhamamd Owais also recommended closer coordination with the Chinese to remain prepared for responding to any hostility from India. India, he maintained, wants to weaken Pakistan politically, militarily, economically, and internally and this hostile posture is unlikely to change irrespective of who is in power in Delhi.

India in its quest for modernization of its forces, Gen Owais said, is supported by US and Israel. Delhi is, moreover, putting in more resources for acquisition of modern weapon systems.

Air Vice Marshal (r) Faaiz Amir, former vice chancellor Air University, while talking about the prospects of a disarming strike by India against Pakistan nuclear arsenal, said that in the near to medium term there were no chances of such a strike being successful. However, with India acquiring capabilities in weapon accuracy and sensors, this assessment may change, he cautioned.

“India by enhancing its counter-force capabilities would trigger arms race and perpetuate other dynamics that could aggravate political and military conditions,” he further warned adding that Delhi’s overconfidence could lead it to believe that it can execute a disarming strike, which would place the region and the world in an incredibly perilous position.

Dr Adil Sultan, director CASS, noted that India was developing capabilities that could provide it an option of pre-emptive counter-force strike against Pakistan.

“Any attempt to neutralize or undermine Pakistan’s deterrence potential to explore space for limited conventional conflict is likely to trigger a response that would eventually end in a nuclear holocaust,” he said.

He too looked skeptical about India carrying out a successful counter-force strike against Pakistan because of lacking intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities and precision weapons. However, he said that development of counter-force capabilities by India would pose challenge for Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence.

President SVI Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema said that Pakistan has so far successfully relied on “calculated and timely responses” to maintain deterrence including development of Nasr, the short-range ballistic missile, and Ababeel missile equipped with MIRV capability.

“Pakistan’s timely responses and development of sophisticated military technology, like intermediate and short-range ballistic missiles, MIRVs, air, and sea-launched cruise missiles, and development of naval second strike capability have been effective in preserving the minimum credible deterrence,” he observed.

Dr Cheema said that an unfortunate aspect of South Asian Nuclearization was the pro-India bias of the international community.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2156438/1-seek-chinas-help-counter-indias-military-modernisation/?amp=1
 
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I think Pakistan should remain independent. However since china has so much invested in Pakistan during time of war it they just moved forces to the border it will make india pi55 in their dhotis
 
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This is the cheap option, what we really need to do, like India has done, is create more quality education sectors, advance research centers , facilitate innovation and advance tech businesses, stop buying and start making. stop the brain drain and open doors for the young to achieve and take risks than sit at home watching PTV dramas.
 
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At present I think the Chinese do not have the technology to match the Indian acquisitions from France, US and the Zionist entity. Our resources are limited therefore we may not have any option apart from the Chinese.
 
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Its always good to keep ourselves up to date and inline with modern war machinery. China is Pakistan's best bet. Things with revolutionize in next 20 years as far as China goes. Pakistan has alot to gain.
 
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At present I think the Chinese do not have the technology to match the Indian acquisitions from France, US and the Zionist entity. Our resources are limited therefore we may not have any option apart from the Chinese.

Man, from where did you people really come from. So ignorant and illinformed.
 
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At present I think the Chinese do not have the technology to match the Indian acquisitions from France, US and the Zionist entity. Our resources are limited therefore we may not have any option apart from the Chinese.



This trade war has been a blessing in disguise for China and it shows them their limitations and what areas they had to fix. As a business man you don’t want to show your enemy their weakness, and you’d want them to keep continue their operations as is, while you chip away at them. Trump is a stupid businessman, having Billions don’t mean shit when you are born with a silver spoon daddy’s money and political connections. US showed China its major weakness and what to fix.

Seeing that they relied on US semiconductor industry and it was their weakness we will see a newer China in next decade or two as they pile money into this industry which will kick start their defense industry to another level.

This would be a blessing for Pakistan military as we will benefit from the latest tech development. China isn’t that far behind as people make it out to be.
 
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This trade war has been a blessing in disguise for China and it shows them their limitations and what areas they had to fix. As a business man you don’t want to show your enemy their weakness, and you’d want them to keep continue their operations as is, while you chip away at them. Trump is a stupid businessman, having Billions don’t mean shit when you are born with a silver spoon daddy’s money and political connections. US showed China its major weakness and what to fix.

Seeing that they relied on US semiconductor industry and it was their weakness we will see a newer China in next decade or two as they pile money into this industry which will kick start their defense industry to another level.

This would be a blessing for Pakistan military as we will benefit from the latest tech development. China isn’t that far behind as people make it out to be.
This post smacked of Pakistani mentality of always just doing copy pasting and piggy backing on others. Basically doing the minimum possible to get the job done.

Why not learn and gain from the Chinese and start doing things on our own? They helped us with a 4th Gen jet (Infact truth be told we are just moh bolay partners majority of the design work is carried out by them)..... It is a good starting point, why not use the lessons learned to tread our own path?
 
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We should make our own. AZM is the way to go. In the meantime get some air superiority fighter in small numbers.
 
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At present I think the Chinese do not have the technology to match the Indian acquisitions from France, US and the Zionist entity. Our resources are limited therefore we may not have any option apart from the Chinese.
Chinese almost on par with to the west/USA with only few exception like Engine developmental fields, not have strong space based network like USA have but they are catching up fast, within 20 years or so they catch up west/USA in term of military technology
 
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This post smacked of Pakistani mentality of always just doing copy pasting and piggy backing on others. Basically doing the minimum possible to get the job done.

Why not learn and gain from the Chinese and start doing things on our own? They helped us with a 4th Gen jet (Infact truth be told we are just moh bolay partners majority of the design work is carried out by them)..... It is a good starting point, why not use the lessons learned to tread our own path?

It’s up to civilian leadership to develop infrastructure and educational institutions — its not enough China gives us TOT along equipment/machinery and we start pumping things out. Even our boys at Karma had to go back to school and learn the basics of air craft engineering etc.

Look at CPEC while we have money pouring in not one government that came to power established any sort of technical school and training program so the civilian population learns along side them. That would have allowed us to carry out similar projects else where in the country with knowledge gained.

Same with the Agosta 90 we built one at home I believe and after that nothing was done by the Navy or the ship yard. The knowledge that was gained is lost and not passed on to the next block of people to build something. Even in this the military leadership failed.

So unless the mentality at the top changes, we have no other option but to piggy back on them as you put it.
 
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Man, from where did you people really come from. So ignorant and illinformed.
As some of our members have stated Chinese jet engine technology is at least two decades behind the West. Hence the Chinese have to import jet engines from Russia
 
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Time and again same old issue. The solution is what has always been money and money.

Pakistan can acquire at 1/4th of the price or may be less all of what the enemy has or will get.

The issue is time, time is less. Hindu fascists plan is to execute something of such a magnitude that convinces US, France and UK to pit india against China. One guess, they want an aerial incursion. They could pull off something even before trump comes or just after he leaves.

A scenario just a thought.
Pakistan gets HQ-9B, some J-10Cs, some Cx-1s, or the very least type 056 corvettes. Hindu fascists will not be able to find gaps in Pakistan's defense.

But money is the issue. Tax and bijli chores, qabza mafia, sugar mafia, water mafia etc stand between Pakistan's defense and enemy attacks.
 
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